So many Questions!

[Soaring Eagle 74]

“We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!”

Didn’t Trump promise to get the money from Mexico?
Why does he need money from Congress?
If he can already close the border entirely, why does he need a wall?
Does he mean close the border to all legal traffic?
Wouldn’t illegal immigrants and illegal drugs continue pour across the border?
Will Trump and his supporters ultimately be successful in their goal to destroy the US as we know it?

 

[CpEER]

“If you don’t give me $25 billion to build a physical barrier to prevent people from coming across the border then I’m just going to close the border and not let people cross the border!”

trumpkins: “he am so smart!”

 

[Airport]

Illegals cost 80 billion to the taxpayer. Keep them out, we save much more than it costs. Guess what, it’s a one time cost, constant paying for more and more employees is much more costly.

 

[moe]

“We will be forced to close the Southern Border entirely if the Obstructionist Democrats do not give us the money to finish the Wall & also change the ridiculous immigration laws that our Country is saddled with. Hard to believe there was a Congress & President who would approve!”

blah blah yawn

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Illegals cost 80 billion to the taxpayer. Keep them out, we save much more than it costs. Guess what, it’s a one time cost, constant paying for more and more employees is much more costly.

lol

 

[CpEER]

Illegals cost 80 billion to the taxpayer. Keep them out, we save much more than it costs. Guess what, it’s a one time cost, constant paying for more and more employees is much more costly.

Only $80 billion?

That’s down from $200 billion a couple of weeks ago


And from $250 billion earlier this month


Another month or so and Mexico will be paying us for the ******* wall!

 

[Airport]

Keep illegals on the other side, deny healthcare to them if here illegally, save billions. Mate 100 billion or more

 

[Airport]

Only $80 billion?

That’s down from $200 billion a couple of weeks ago


And from $250 billion earlier this month


Another month or so and Mexico will be paying us for the ****ing wall!

Keep your doctor, save $2500 per family. Surprised that you don’t realize that politicians lie

 

[Airport]

lol

How much money does it take to maintain the wall vs how much money does it take to pay guards, healthcare govt dues? Lol

 

[CpEER]

Keep your doctor, save $2500 per family. Surprised that you don’t realize that politicians lie

So you’re calling trump a liar?

 

[bamaEER]

WTF 80 billion?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

How much money does it take to maintain the wall vs how much money does it take to pay guards, healthcare govt dues? Lol

The wall eliminates guards? lmao

 

[CpEER]

WTF 80 billion?

Illegal immigration costs US taxpayers...eleventy hundred l...billion...every month I mean week!

 

[Airport]

WTF 80 billion?

There are a number of estimates that illegals cost the country that much. Healthcare, criminal incarceration , welfare benefits. Nobody ever estimates how much in lost wages it cost blacks and legalbrown people in this country

 

[Airport]

The wall eliminates guards? lmao

Nope, won’t take as many.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Nope, won’t take as many.

The jobs President is now eliminating jobs? How many jobs is this eliminating and how much "savings" will that generate? What does this loss of wages due to border towns and will that increase government assistance in that area? Will that increase be part of your spreadsheets? Thanks in advance.

 

[Airport]

The jobs President is now eliminating jobs? How many jobs is this eliminating and how much "savings" will that generate? What does this loss of wages due to border towns and will that increase government assistance in that area? Will that increase be part of your spreadsheets? Thanks in advance.

You don’t care about low educated black people. You want them to lose jobs to cheaper illegals, depressed wages, and keep them on welfare. #realracist

 

[Airport]

The jobs President is now eliminating jobs? How many jobs is this eliminating and how much "savings" will that generate? What does this loss of wages due to border towns and will that increase government assistance in that area? Will that increase be part of your spreadsheets? Thanks in advance.

border wall can’t be changed the next time the people elect another anti American like obama

 

[tjebarr]

You don’t care about low educated black people. You want them to lose jobs to cheaper illegals, depressed wages, and keep them on welfare. #realracist

I see nothing but Mexicans picking apples at our orchards around here. They took those jobs from low educated black people? i had no idea.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You don’t care about low educated black people. You want them to lose jobs to cheaper illegals, depressed wages, and keep them on welfare. #realracist

Not at all. In fact I have constantly called for much tougher punishment on employers that use illegal labor.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

border wall can’t be changed the next time the people elect another anti American like obama

Walls can't be removed? :joy::joy::joy:

You might take the cake for the best Trumper on this board. The quick pivots to Obama or Clintons with not so subtle ******** namecalling is so....italianchefkissinghisfingers.emoji

 

[Mntneer]

Even if illegals only cost the US $5 billion per year, asking for $5 billion to build a wall is a cost benefit.

The arguments against the wall over a $5 billion dollar expense.... don't hold water. Those opposed to the wall are becoming one of two camps. Those so opposed to immigration control that they don't want to curtail illegal immigration, or those so opposed to Trump it doesn't matter what the plan is.

 

[wvu2007]

I see nothing but Mexicans picking apples at our orchards around here. They took those jobs from low educated black people? i had no idea.

More racism from @tjebarr

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Even if illegals only cost the US $5 billion per year, asking for $5 billion to build a wall is a cost benefit.

The arguments against the wall over a $5 billion dollar expense.... don't hold water. Those opposed to the wall are becoming one of two camps. Those so opposed to immigration control that they don't want to curtail illegal immigration, or those so opposed to Trump it doesn't matter what the plan is.

I guess no one could have a moral objection to the wall? Only those 2 camps? I fall into the camp that thinks this is a costly, big government boondoggle that will spend FAR greater than what is being planned now and would probably NEVER be fully funded and would not slow down the tide of illegal immigration. It's nothing more than a symbolic political gesture. But I guess I can only be defined as anti-trump or pro illegal immigration. lol

 

[Airport]

I see nothing but Mexicans picking apples at our orchards around here. They took those jobs from low educated black people? i had no idea.

If these businesses wanted them picked, they would have to pay more. Costs us much more in healthcare,criminal incarceration than we save

 

[Airport]

Not at all. In fact I have constantly called for much tougher punishment on employers that use illegal labor.

And we need to stop illegals from crossing

 

[CpEER]

Even if illegals only cost the US $5 billion per year, asking for $5 billion to build a wall is a cost benefit.

The arguments against the wall over a $5 billion dollar expense.... don't hold water. Those opposed to the wall are becoming one of two camps. Those so opposed to immigration control that they don't want to curtail illegal immigration, or those so opposed to Trump it doesn't matter what the plan is.

$5 billion isn’t building a wall across the entire border.

 

[Airport]

Walls can't be removed? :joy::joy::joy:

You might take the cake for the best Trumper on this board. The quick pivots to Obama or Clintons with not so subtle ******** namecalling is so....italianchefkissinghisfingers.emoji

Pretty difficult to take the wall down. Not as hard to not enforce the law. Even you could see that one. Then again, maybe you can’t .

 

[Mntneer]

I guess no one could have a moral objection to the wall? Only those 2 camps? I fall into the camp that thinks this is a costly, big government boondoggle that will spend FAR greater than what is being planned now and would probably NEVER be fully funded and would not slow down the tide of illegal immigration. It's nothing more than a symbolic political gesture. But I guess I can only be defined as anti-trump or pro illegal immigration. lol

Not a moral objection that holds water in my book.

It very well may cost more than is what being planned now, but the return on investment in my book justifies the expense, as I do believe proper boarder security (a barrier/wall combined with monitoring) will slow the tide of illegal immigration.

 

[Pospecteer]

I see nothing but Mexicans picking apples at our orchards around here. They took those jobs from low educated black people? i had no idea.

My wife used to be an innkeeper for a liberal Jewish family who owns a 22 room B&B. He uses an "illegal worker" contact that supplies him with cheap labor. All of the illegal workers got paid under the table and he also rented them a two room apt that 2 families (9 people) lived in. He would take his rent money first and then pay them what was left, which was less than $100 a week. He talked as if he saved their lives and he thought that they worshipped him.

My wife has a minor in Spanish and kept it to herself for the 1st couple of weeks. The staff had pure hatred for how he treated them. After a couple of weeks, my wife started talking to them in Spanish and they thought they were done. Once they knew that she was not going to rat them out, they loved working for her.

His whole argument was that he would have to close his doors if he did not have access to these low wage workers. Once Trump got elected, over 1/2 of his workers went back to Mexico and he had to hire locals to fill his jobs, while also paying them more. Guess what, he is still making money, but he had to sell his Jag. and cut down on his monthly trips to FL, but the business is dong well.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

Even if illegals only cost the US $5 billion per year, asking for $5 billion to build a wall is a cost benefit.

The arguments against the wall over a $5 billion dollar expense.... don't hold water. Those opposed to the wall are becoming one of two camps. Those so opposed to immigration control that they don't want to curtail illegal immigration, or those so opposed to Trump it doesn't matter what the plan is.

Certainly Mexico can come-up with a measly $5 billion. I’m just shocked the Great Deal Maker doesn’t already have at least a rail car of pesos from Mexico for his wall.

Word is, Trump is negotiating a great price for the steel and labor to build the wall with the Chinese.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

My wife used to be an innkeeper for a liberal Jewish family who owns a 22 room B&B. He uses an "illegal worker" contact that supplies him with cheap labor. All of the illegal workers got paid under the table and he also rented them a two room apt that 2 families (9 people) lived in. He would take his rent money first and then pay them what was left, which was less than $100 a week. He talked as if he saved their lives and he thought that they worshipped him.

My wife has a minor in Spanish and kept it to herself for the 1st couple of weeks. The staff had pure hatred for how he treated them. After a couple of weeks, my wife started talking to them in Spanish and they thought they were done. Once they knew that she was not going to rat them out, they loved working for her.

His whole argument was that he would have to close his doors if he did not have access to these low wage workers. Once Trump got elected, over 1/2 of his workers went back to Mexico and he had to hire locals to fill his jobs, while also paying them more. Guess what, he is still making money, but he had to sell his Jag. and cut down on his monthly trips to FL, but the business is dong well.

Lot’s of truth in this post. Lots of illegal immigrants are hired just to get around the minimum wage and labor laws.

 

[WVUBRU]

I guess no one could have a moral objection to the wall? Only those 2 camps? I fall into the camp that thinks this is a costly, big government boondoggle that will spend FAR greater than what is being planned now and would probably NEVER be fully funded and would not slow down the tide of illegal immigration. It's nothing more than a symbolic political gesture. But I guess I can only be defined as anti-trump or pro illegal immigration. lol

Exactly, not to mention that the whole topic was sold as a political ploy from the start. It was sold to the public during the ploy that Mexico would pay for it. So don't make those that oppose the US funding for this political ploy out to be the bad guys. These people need to be honest with what was sold, if they are unable to understand the complexity of the full picture of immigration.

 

[Mntneer]

Lot’s of truth in this post. Lots of illegal immigrants are hired just to get around the minimum wage and labor laws.

Not only to get around laws, but to find actual labor that can do the work.

We need complete immigration reform as well as border security.

 

[Pospecteer]

Lot’s of truth in this post. Lots of illegal immigrants are hired just to get around the minimum wage and labor laws.

I actually think it is more than that, it's slavery. He pretty owned them and they did not have any other options.

I live in a tourist driven town and my wife said that once a year, a family from Mexico would stay with them. When this family came in, the owners bent over backwards to make their stay great and the illegals would be on their best behavior. My high school aged son worked a popular restaurant in the area that used illegals in the back of the kitchen. He would hear the owners talking to their illegal connection when a worker needed fired or did not show for work. When this family came into town, my son said that a Mexican family had dinner that night and the owners comped their food and drink and hand delivered their food. My wife and son compared notes and realized it was the same family. We don't have proof, but we think that he was the worker supplier for the area and controlled all things illegal when it came to the work force.

 

[bamaEER]

I guess no one could have a moral objection to the wall? Only those 2 camps? I fall into the camp that thinks this is a costly, big government boondoggle that will spend FAR greater than what is being planned now and would probably NEVER be fully funded and would not slow down the tide of illegal immigration. It's nothing more than a symbolic political gesture. But I guess I can only be defined as anti-trump or pro illegal immigration. lol

Exactly