So no discussion about Fitzgerald?

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Very true. FWIW, I certainly don't expect other Trustees to take on those responsibilities (in most cases, that would be counter-productive, I would think).

I do expect to see evidence of some level of comparative analysis, even a rudimentary one, before taking on a cost of the better part of $1 Billion (or even one tenth of that) when there are, at least, several viable solutions to the issues at hand. And, quite frankly, we certainly have, or should have, more than enough "in house" competency to do a rather robust job, not just a rudimentary one. The last thing we need, IMO, is to burn another wheelbarrow full of money on some third party consultation - without having done our part up front, to provide a prudent direction.
How anyone could support such an expenditure - without that - is incomprehensible to me. Lacking that, I will do the best I can to reckon, at least to some basic level, on my own (though I know many folks may not even know where to begin - at least I am fortunate enough to have some level of ability in those areas). Certainly, I would never find it fiduciarily responsible to support actions that I know are imprudent at best, and quite possibly inefficacious.
So keep delaying everything and it will go away. Sounds familiar these days.
 
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Pollack Army Barracks
If Pollack Halls is your idea of bad dorms you obviously never lived in Nittany. Those truly were army barracks. They were erected as temporary housing for ROTC students during WWII. I spent two terms in them in the late sixties. They did have their advantages. For instance, they were one story and the windows were easy to climb through, as my girlfriend at the time demonstrated out on an almost daily basis.
 

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So, who is going to apply for the locker room and shower monitor jobs?
 

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And you, "Art", know this how?
Barry indicated that no options were presented to the Board and meeting agendas and minutes support this. He's free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Now if you're asking if no options were evaluated despite the 19 or twelve or however many studies that Kraft said were done, that I would believe.
 

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Mad Men Not Great Bob GIF
 
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Me thinks Pat will not be the coach come Sept 30 when the Nittany Lions play at NW....
 

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Me thinks Pat will not be the coach come Sept 30 when the Nittany Lions play at NW....
Strange that "hazing" which allegedly occurred and sometimes was "initiated" by the coach went on for presumably his entire 17 year tenure and now 2 individuals complained. This "inhumane and cruel" practice continued because? It was in the best interest of recruiting and retaining the best FB players possible. All this is based on 2 anonymous sources.....and perhaps a "staff" member ....not a coach. Color me skeptical. The media had Joe holding down little boys in the shower, while Jerry raped them. It's a sick world. I too now believe that Pat can't survive this. Another good man destroyed.
There was an investigation, which apparently revealed little. A "player's" parent screamed and now NW will reconsider. So I presume getting Fitzgerald fired was the primary objective of the complaint to begin with.......
 

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Strange that "hazing" which allegedly occurred and sometimes was "initiated" by the coach went on for presumably his entire 17 year tenure and now 2 individuals complained. This "inhumane and cruel" practice continued because? It was in the best interest of recruiting and retaining the best FB players possible. All this is based on 2 anonymous sources.....and perhaps a "staff" member ....not a coach. Color me skeptical. The media had Joe holding down little boys in the shower, while Jerry raped them. It's a sick world. I too now believe that Pat can't survive this. Another good man destroyed.
There was an investigation, which apparently revealed little. A "player's" parent screamed and now NW will reconsider. So I presume getting Fitzgerald fired was the primary objective of the complaint to begin with.......

Fair points. On the flip side, I questioned the quality of the investigation when it amounted to, “Something happened, but we weren’t able to identify individuals who did anything wrong.”
 

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If I understand this correctly, Northwestern hired a third party to conduct a “rigorous”, six-month investigation that did not identify individuals who committed these alleged horrible acts or that any of the coaches were aware of the alleged horrible acts. Then, only after the conclusions of the independent investigation were published, a former player came forward with details. Is that correct?
 
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Fair points. On the flip side, I questioned the quality of the investigation when it amounted to, “Something happened, but we weren’t able to identify individuals who did anything wrong.”
Well, if the goal was to put an end to "hazing...." and then file the obligatory civil suit, chapter one would have sufficed.
A parent who isn't satisfied with that outcome, is IMO connected with someone or group who wants the coach fired.
See, we don't assassinate people anymore. Too messy....blood and all. We accuse people of indiscretions that they can't protect themselves from. Women come from 40 years in the past......children 30 years etc. We make wild allegations on the floor of congress where no falsehood is punished by statute.
Sounds to me like Fitz knew......and Joe knew. I agree he's done. The goal of someone or group was to get him fired with cause.
 
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If I understand this correctly, Northwestern hired a third party to conduct a “rigorous”, six-month investigation that did not identify individuals who committed these alleged horrible acts or that any of the coaches were aware of the alleged horrible acts. Then, only after the conclusions of the independent investigation were published, a former player came forward with details. Is that correct?

Fair points. On the flip side, I questioned the quality of the investigation when it amounted to, “Something happened, but we weren’t able to identify individuals who did anything wrong.”
Apparently that was money well spent in the investigation. The initial results leads one to suspect that the investigation was conducted by the famous French detective Inspector Clouseau.
 

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Apparently that was money well spent in the investigation. The initial results leads one to suspect that the investigation was conducted by the famous French detective Inspector Clouseau.
A Louis Freeh investigation would make every effort to produce the desired results.
 
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If I understand this correctly, Northwestern hired a third party to conduct a “rigorous”, six-month investigation that did not identify individuals who committed these alleged horrible acts or that any of the coaches were aware of the alleged horrible acts. Then, only after the conclusions of the independent investigation were published, a former player came forward with details. Is that correct?
My understanding is that two unidentified former players and their parents made accusations that prompted the inquiry. The parents were unhappy with the findings and the punishment meted out.so they went directly to selected media types.
 
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The push is on for stronger penalties and possible job loss.

Fitz is on the clock
Tic, tock, tic, tock guilty or innocent (and I honestly don’t know which) but the hounds🐕 now have him treed. He is now officially a dead man walking.
 

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So he was 2 years into a 10 year contract, went 1-11 last season and Northwestern won't have to pay his buyout. 🤷‍♂️
 
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So he was 2 years into a 10 year contract, went 1-11 last season and Northwestern won't have to pay his buyout. 🤷‍♂️

Very strange. On Saturday evening, the Northwestern president published a letter stating that he would be reconsidering the appropriate punishment for Fitzgerald. Two weeks without pay was based on the notion that Fitzgerald didn’t know about the hazing. The president was going to consider a harsher punishment with consideration that Fitzgerald should have known.

I wonder if some well-heeled donors influenced the president. Maybe Fitzgerald had lost their support (1-11 record last year) and this hazing scandal, real or not, was all they needed to get him out. The real scary part is if the scandal was fabricated, or at least exaggerated, to get him canned. As discussed earlier in this thread, expectations at Northwestern are changing in light of their facility expenditures.
 
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Very strange. On Friday evening, the Northwestern president published a letter stating that he would be reconsidering the appropriate punishment for Fitzgerald. Two weeks without pay was based on the notion that Fitzgerald didn’t know about the hazing. The president was going to consider a harsher punishment with consideration that Fitzgerald should have known.

I wonder if some well-heeled donors influenced the president. Maybe Fitzgerald had lost their support (1-11 record last year) and this hazing scandal, real or not, was all they needed to get him out. The real scary part is if the scandal was fabricated, or at least exaggerated, to get him canned. As discussed earlier in this thread, expectations at Northwestern are changing in light of their facility expenditures.
I believe one of the former players went to the student newspaper anonymously and spilled the beans on what the allegations were and had pictures on a white board proving Fitz knew.
 

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I believe one of the former players went to the student newspaper anonymously and spilled the beans on what the allegations were and had pictures on a white board proving Fitz knew.

And if I keep my tin-foil hat on, it is interesting that the dirt only came out after the suspension without pay was announced. The “investigation” found basically nothing of substance.

This incident is very bad for Northwestern on multiple levels.