So Trump puts the blame for 9/11 on W. Jeb defends claiming "he kept us safe"....

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I doubt the families of the 3000 killed that day think W kept us safe. The fact is, the W admin ignored the warnings. There is a long list of warnings. The PDB one month before 9/11 specifically said "bin laden determined to attack inside US". It even mentions the WTC and the first bomber. Richard Clarke, who W appointed as his counter-terrorism czar, tried to get a principals' meeting months before 9/11 and was ignored by Condi....until one week before 9/11. We had the FBI agent who tried to warn about a group of islamic guys taking flying lessons but weren't interested in learning how to land.

I'm sure wingnuts heads everywhere are exploding over their new hero's criticism of the W admin and their culpability for 9/11. Will they now abandon Trump? It's about time someone in the Republican Party was honest about W's negligence in 9/11. Kept us safe indeed.

 

[bornaneer]

I doubt the families of the 3000 killed that day think W kept us safe. The fact is, the W admin ignored the warnings. There is a long list of warnings. The PDB one month before 9/11 specifically said "bin laden determined to attack inside US". It even mentions the WTC and the first bomber. Richard Clarke, who W appointed as his counter-terrorism czar, tried to get a principals' meeting months before 9/11 and was ignored by Condi....until one week before 9/11. We had the FBI agent who tried to warn about a group of islamic guys taking flying lessons but weren't interested in learning how to land.

I'm sure wingnuts heads everywhere are exploding over their new hero's criticism of the W admin and their culpability for 9/11. Will they now abandon Trump? It's about time someone in the Republican Party was honest about W's negligence in 9/11. Kept us safe indeed.

The fact is that 9-11 happened under Bush's watch. Another fact is that the slaughter taking place in our cities since January 20, 2009 is taking place on Obama's watch. I bet the forgotten families of those victims don't think Obama is keeping their neighborhoods safe.

 

[moe]

The fact is that 9-11 happened under Bush's watch. Another fact is that the slaughter taking place in our cities since January 20, 2009 is taking place on Obama's watch. I bet the forgotten families of those victims don't think Obama is keeping their neighborhoods safe.

Inner city crime started 1/20/09? I did not know that, thx.

 

[Keyser76]

Obama lowered the gas prices too! Loved when Jake Trapper asked Jeb how that differs from Benghazi, Maybe Trump really is a Democratic plant! Lol.

 

[bornaneer]

Inner city crime started 1/20/09? I did not know that, thx.

It did for murders taking under Obama's watch. In fact, just in Chicago OVER 3,000 have been murdered and over 18,000 have been shot since Obama took office on 1/20/09. I'm just pointing out some facts. Are you disputing the facts?

 

[moe]

It did for murders taking under Obama's watch. In fact, just in Chicago OVER 3,000 have been murdered and over 18,000 have been shot since Obama took office on 1/20/09. I'm just pointing out some facts. Are you disputing the facts?

How does that compare to the prior 7 years?

 

[bornaneer]

How does that compare to the prior 7 years?

Look it up if you are interested. Bad thing happen no matter who or what party is in office. Only trying to point that out to certain folks who want to get into a tit for tat. I also said that Bush bears the responsibility for 9/11 since he was in office.

 

[WVUBRU]

Another fact is that the slaughter taking place in our cities since January 20, 2009 is taking place on Obama's watch. I bet the forgotten families of those victims don't think Obama is keeping their neighborhoods safe.

That is downright stupid and just a deflection off of the subject.

 

[WVUBRU]

I doubt the families of the 3000 killed that day think W kept us safe. The fact is, the W admin ignored the warnings. There is a long list of warnings. The PDB one month before 9/11 specifically said "bin laden determined to attack inside US". It even mentions the WTC and the first bomber. Richard Clarke, who W appointed as his counter-terrorism czar, tried to get a principals' meeting months before 9/11 and was ignored by Condi....until one week before 9/11. We had the FBI agent who tried to warn about a group of islamic guys taking flying lessons but weren't interested in learning how to land.

I'm sure wingnuts heads everywhere are exploding over their new hero's criticism of the W admin and their culpability for 9/11. Will they now abandon Trump? It's about time someone in the Republican Party was honest about W's negligence in 9/11. Kept us safe indeed.

I agree with the premise of your comment that there were warning missed and it is true this horrific act happened under W's presidency. And everyone that has been on this board during the 2000's know I am not a fan of the W's administration. But I refuse to put the blame of 9/11 directly on Bush for it happening and I don't believe responsible and reasonable individuals running for important positions in the government should do it either. On this, I side with Jeb in a big way. Trump is out of line and is just trying to win points on a very delicate subject that is simply bad.

It is like blaming FDR for Pearl Harbor. There were warnings there as well. Mistakes were made but blaming the President for the mistakes made causing the event to happen, not right.

 

[bornaneer]

That is downright stupid and just a deflection off of the subject.

What is the real subject? Bush is responsible for everything that happened on his watch just like Obama and every other president is for what happens during their terms.

 

[bornaneer]

I agree with the premise of your comment that there were warning missed and it is true this horrific act happened under W's presidency. And everyone that has been on this board during the 2000's know I am not a fan of the W's administration. But I refuse to put the blame of 9/11 directly on Bush for it happening and I don't believe responsible and reasonable individuals running for important positions in the government should do it either. On this, I side with Jeb in a big way. Trump is out of line and is just trying to win points on a very delicate subject that is simply bad.

It is like blaming FDR for Pearl Harbor. There were warnings there as well. Mistakes were made but blaming the President for the mistakes made causing the event to happen, not right.

Bru, nice comments. You made my point,.....just in a better way.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I agree with the premise of your comment that there were warning missed and it is true this horrific act happened under W's presidency. And everyone that has been on this board during the 2000's know I am not a fan of the W's administration. But I refuse to put the blame of 9/11 directly on Bush for it happening and I don't believe responsible and reasonable individuals running for important positions in the government should do it either. On this, I side with Jeb in a big way. Trump is out of line and is just trying to win points on a very delicate subject that is simply bad.

It is like blaming FDR for Pearl Harbor. There were warnings there as well. Mistakes were made but blaming the President for the mistakes made causing the event to happen, not right.

We'll never know if the attacks could have been prevented. But there apparently a lot of warnings which went unheeded. I'm sure W had no direct knowledge of many of those warnings. But it was comp[letely irresponsible for Condi to ignore Clarke's request to meet when Clarke and his group knew something was up and were trying desperately to get anyone's attention.

Read this..http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0

I agree that Trump is doing this for his own reasons. It will be interesting to see if there is any blowback fro the base seeing how he has been immune to this point.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

What is the real subject? Bush is responsible for everything that happened on his watch just like Obama and every other president is for what happens during their terms.

I don't like this premise at all. I don't blame Bush for the 911 attacks, but I also think it's hypocritical of the right to blame Hilary for Benghazi if they aren't going to blame Bush for 911. I would be more inclined to blame Bush for all of the deaths and permanently disabled from the Iraq war, but not because we were attacked on 911.

The president doesn't have control over everything. It's even foolish to give all the credit or blame for the economy to a president. There is only so much they can do.

 

[bamaEER]

I agree with the premise of your comment that there were warning missed and it is true this horrific act happened under W's presidency. And everyone that has been on this board during the 2000's know I am not a fan of the W's administration. But I refuse to put the blame of 9/11 directly on Bush for it happening and I don't believe responsible and reasonable individuals running for important positions in the government should do it either. On this, I side with Jeb in a big way. Trump is out of line and is just trying to win points on a very delicate subject that is simply bad.

It is like blaming FDR for Pearl Harbor. There were warnings there as well. Mistakes were made but blaming the President for the mistakes made causing the event to happen, not right.

Trump is way out of line on this (as usual). He's implying that Jeb is guilty by association. The sooner somebody digs up some child porn on Trump's computer, the better we will be without him. GOP is in flames right now and we need Trump GONE.

 

[bornaneer]

We'll never know if the attacks could have been prevented. But there apparently a lot of warnings which went unheeded. I'm sure W had no direct knowledge of many of those warnings. But it was comp[letely irresponsible for Condi to ignore Clarke's request to meet when Clarke and his group knew something was up and were trying desperately to get anyone's attention.

Read this..http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0

I agree that Trump is doing this for his own reasons. It will be interesting to see if there is any blowback fro the base seeing how he has been immune to this point.

An idiot could figure out why Trump did it. What is the fuking BASE you are always referring to?

 

[bornaneer]

I don't like this premise at all. I don't blame Bush for the 911 attacks, but I also think it's hypocritical of the right to blame Hilary for Benghazi if they aren't going to blame Bush for 911. I would be more inclined to blame Bush for all of the deaths and permanently disabled from the Iraq war, but not because we were attacked on 911.

The president doesn't have control over everything. It's even foolish to give all the credit or blame for the economy to a president. There is only so much they can do.

You are also correct. I was just pushing the same lame blame point that the person who started this thread was.

 

[moe]

Look it up if you are interested. Bad thing happen no matter who or what party is in office. Only trying to point that out to certain folks who want to get into a tit for tat. I also said that Bush bears the responsibility for 9/11 since he was in office.

So you have no idea whether gun violence in cities is worse under BO as compared to GeeDub but you want to point out the level of gun violence under BO. So your point is, stuff happens. Excellent post, got it.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

So you have no idea whether gun violence in cities is worse under BO as compared to GeeDub but you want to point out the level of gun violence under BO. So your point is, stuff happens. Excellent post, got it.

These wingnuts love to point out the inner city crime problem as if it just started under Obama. I guess since he's Black and all, they assumed he'd have eliminated crime by now? And their faux outrage on inner city crime is amusing-as if they give a ****.

Back to 9/11, put on you imagination hat on and think how the kooks on the right would be reacting if the circumstances of 9/11 occurred under Obama. Seriously. Just imagine.

 

[bamaEER]

The fact is that 9-11 happened under Bush's watch. Another fact is that the slaughter taking place in our cities since January 20, 2009 is taking place on Obama's watch. I bet the forgotten families of those victims don't think Obama is keeping their neighborhoods safe.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

These wingnuts love to point out the inner city crime problem as if it just started under Obama. I guess since he's Black and all, they assumed he'd have eliminated crime by now? And their faux outrage on inner city crime is amusing-as if they give a ****.

Back to 9/11, put on you imagination hat on and think how the kooks on the right would be reacting if the circumstances of 9/11 occurred under Obama. Seriously. Just imagine.

About the same as the kooks on the left did. Let's see, we get Fahrenheit 9/11, Loose Change, Liberals defending the Patriot Act, and a slew of other wacky ****.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

You are also correct. I was just pushing the same lame blame point that the person who started this thread was.

I thought that's what you were doing but wasn't entirely sure. Didn't seem like you to make that kind of statement, but it was a good place to add in my $0.02 nonetheless.

 

[rog1187]

I doubt the families of the 3000 killed that day think W kept us safe. The fact is, the W admin ignored the warnings. There is a long list of warnings. The PDB one month before 9/11 specifically said "bin laden determined to attack inside US". It even mentions the WTC and the first bomber. Richard Clarke, who W appointed as his counter-terrorism czar, tried to get a principals' meeting months before 9/11 and was ignored by Condi....until one week before 9/11. We had the FBI agent who tried to warn about a group of islamic guys taking flying lessons but weren't interested in learning how to land.

I'm sure wingnuts heads everywhere are exploding over their new hero's criticism of the W admin and their culpability for 9/11. Will they now abandon Trump? It's about time someone in the Republican Party was honest about W's negligence in 9/11. Kept us safe indeed.

So you'll be voting Trump in 2016 then.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

So you'll be voting Trump in 2016 then.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I agree with the premise of your comment that there were warning missed and it is true this horrific act happened under W's presidency. And everyone that has been on this board during the 2000's know I am not a fan of the W's administration. But I refuse to put the blame of 9/11 directly on Bush for it happening and I don't believe responsible and reasonable individuals running for important positions in the government should do it either. On this, I side with Jeb in a big way. Trump is out of line and is just trying to win points on a very delicate subject that is simply bad.

It is like blaming FDR for Pearl Harbor. There were warnings there as well. Mistakes were made but blaming the President for the mistakes made causing the event to happen, not right.

So, to understand you better, 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault.....but Benghazi was Hillary's fault?

 

[bornaneer]

These wingnuts love to point out the inner city crime problem as if it just started under Obama. I guess since he's Black and all, they assumed he'd have eliminated crime by now? And their faux outrage on inner city crime is amusing-as if they give a ****.

Back to 9/11, put on you imagination hat on and think how the kooks on the right would be reacting if the circumstances of 9/11 occurred under Obama. Seriously. Just imagine.

Your are delusional. I NEVER implied it started under Obama.

 

[bornaneer]

As usual, it went way over your head. But it's good to see some enlightened Liberals on this board at least had a functioning brain. Sorry you missed out.

 

[WVUBRU]

So, to understand you better, 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault.....but Benghazi was Hillary's fault?

You asking me or a right wing hater that posts nonsense every chance they get? I've never claimed anything along the lines of Benghazi in any post I have ever made. But to answer your question from my viewpoint, no.

 

[Airport]

I don't like this premise at all. I don't blame Bush for the 911 attacks, but I also think it's hypocritical of the right to blame Hilary for Benghazi if they aren't going to blame Bush for 911. I would be more inclined to blame Bush for all of the deaths and permanently disabled from the Iraq war, but not because we were attacked on 911.

The president doesn't have control over everything. It's even foolish to give all the credit or blame for the economy to a president. There is only so much they can do.

I have never blamed anybody for Benghazi. I blame them for not responding in any form. We have flown suppression flights many times. My source is an Air Force colonel, special forces Silver star etc. If I had been sec of state, I would have gotten there at some point. Benghazi lasted 13 hrs. That's my beef with her. Then to blame a video and arrest that guy who made it. Something was really wrong in that.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

I have never blamed anybody for Benghazi. I blame them for not responding in any form. We have flown suppression flights many times. My source is an Air Force colonel, special forces Silver star etc. If I had been sec of state, I would have gotten there at some point. Benghazi lasted 13 hrs. That's my beef with her. Then to blame a video and arrest that guy who made it. Something was really wrong in that.

Hillary wasn't in charge of the military. Testimony in Gowdy's committee showed that Hillary tried to have anything and everything done to help those on the ground as the attack was happening. But she wasn't in the position to order any military action. And as to your friend, there have been many other military officials state on record that there was little, if anything, that could've been done to save them,

 

[Airport]

Hillary wasn't in charge of the military. Testimony in Gowdy's committee showed that Hillary tried to have anything and everything done to help those on the ground as the attack was happening. But she wasn't in the position to order any military action. And as to your friend, there have been many other military officials state on record that there was little, if anything, that could've been done to save them,

My friend has done it all, shot twice while seving as Air combat control officer on the ground with the 7th calv and broke his back in Tora Bora looking for the big guy. He said they had been flown before with great success and that's what should have been done this time. Guys who said nothing could be done probably never had put themselves looking down a RPG that malfunctioned and flew straight up in front of them. All the parties looked up, driver, Colonel and the Iraqi. They then pinned him to the front of the Humvee and made a hood ornament out of him. he said it could and should have been done, I believe him over some REMF. Gowdy is a good prosecutor and we shall see if there's anything new.

 

[Airport]

My friend has done it all, shot twice while seving as Air combat control officer on the ground with the 7th calv and broke his back in Tora Bora looking for the big guy. He said they had been flown before with great success and that's what should have been done this time. Guys who said nothing could be done probably never had put themselves looking down a RPG that malfunctioned and flew straight up in front of them. All the parties looked up, driver, Colonel and the Iraqi. They then pinned him to the front of the Humvee and made a hood ornament out of him. he said it could and should have been done, I believe him over some REMF. Gowdy is a good prosecutor and we shall see if there's anything new.

He was a navigator on a b52 and when we were playing the Snead course in the WV-Va matches, I mentioned this use to be an airport. he said because of the bunker there at the Greenbrier , he had to do touch and gos there to be abe to land there in case of emergency. He also flew F-15 Strike Eagles. He great stories but he gives the invocation at all of our banquets. I would go to war with him.