So which IHSA rules/policies need to change?

[Anon1754760634]

Was thinking about this today....wondering what your thoughts are.

On the field I'd like to see the automatic touchback rule eliminated and allow returners to bring the ball out of the end zone...yet from a safety standpoint that might not get much traction.

Policies?

Geez where do we start?

Post your thoughts/suggestions here

 

[LHSTigers94]

Was thinking about this today....wondering what your thoughts are.

On the field I'd like to see the automatic touchback rule eliminated and allow returners to bring the ball out of the end zone...yet from a safety standpoint that might not get much traction.

Policies?

Geez where do we start?

Post your thoughts/suggestions here

The policy that suggest that you can not compete at a team camp with helmet and shoulder pads. Only 5 on the field at a time pretty much eliminate anything football. Maybe someone can explain the logic of 5 player max.

 

[i011763]

Was thinking about this today....wondering what your thoughts are.

On the field I'd like to see the automatic touchback rule eliminated and allow returners to bring the ball out of the end zone...yet from a safety standpoint that might not get much traction.

Policies?

Geez where do we start?

Post your thoughts/suggestions here

The touchback rule is a NFHS rule that they IHSA uses. Safety is the number one focus area so I agree that it won't get much traction

I do not like the no full contact rule for the summer practices either. I think that that quality of tackling suffers as a result

 

[pjjp]

Success factor should only be applied if a non-boundaried school wins their class twice in a 4-year period. It should not be applied for merely making the title game in football or the final four in basketball, baseball etc. The rule should be set up to prevent a school from dominating a particular class. If you don't win the title multiple times in a 4-year period, you are not dominating said class.

Of course, I'd also like to see it applied to all schools (not just non-boundaried), but that will never happen.

 

[TeeOH_rivals219717]

Was thinking about this today....wondering what your thoughts are.

On the field I'd like to see the automatic touchback rule eliminated and allow returners to bring the ball out of the end zone...yet from a safety standpoint that might not get much traction.

Policies?

Geez where do we start?

Post your thoughts/suggestions here

On the rules side the legal (not a defenseless receiver) but hard hit within 5yds of the LOS being flagged for unnecessary roughness. I've seen this more than a couple of times. And of course true seeding of the playoffs, 1-32. If the NCAA was seeded by IHSA Little Rock and Chattanooga would be #1 seeds

 

[Zebra2]

On the rules side the legal (not a defenseless receiver) but hard hit within 5yds of the LOS being flagged for unnecessary roughness. I've seen this more than a couple of times. And of course true seeding of the playoffs, 1-32. If the NCAA was seeded by IHSA Little Rock and Chattanooga would be #1 seeds

TeeOH I am curious as to what you mean by this request, as it is not something that I have seen mentioned or discussed amongst officials and administrators on other forums. It also isn't something I have seen on the field as a problem. We certainly get questions and comments about contact by DBs on WRs downfield from those thinking the NFL rule applies to high school, but I have not seen WRs getting blasted or coaches complaining about it. Where are you seeing this happen?

Also, for those who are curious, the only rule changes for 2016 are the elimination of clipping in the Free Blocking Zone and making all white or clear mouth guards legal.

Z

 

[TeeOH_rivals219717]

TeeOH I am curious as to what you mean by this request, as it is not something that I have seen mentioned or discussed amongst officials and administrators on other forums. It also isn't something I have seen on the field as a problem. We certainly get questions and comments about contact by DBs on WRs downfield from those thinking the NFL rule applies to high school, but I have not seen WRs getting blasted or coaches complaining about it. Where are you seeing this happen?

Also, for those who are curious, the only rule changes for 2016 are the elimination of clipping in the Free Blocking Zone and making all white or clear mouth guards legal.

Z

over the last 3 years I've seen several times a legal shoulder hit to the body of a ball carrier flagged because it was an especially hard hit. LB with 5 yard drop meeting a ball carrier at the line of scrimmage and creating a buzz from the stands. Then out comes the flag. No helmet, no drive into the ground. Same with a DB on a wide receiver after he has caught the ball and become a runner. If the crowd reacts 50/50 chance a flag comes out. When kids use correct form and make a good tackle and is flagged it is counter productive. Now they'll approach a tackle in a different way and possibly cause an injury to themselves or ball carrier. Why all the heads up instruction if it gets you a flag.

 

[godfthr53]

A Rule that drives me crazy is Defensive Pass Interference on a TD. You either take the TD or the Penalty why both. Why in the world does the scoring team get to take the TD and then again take 15 yards on the kickoff.

 

[reaperup]

I believe there should be a number of contact days allowed in mid-Feb to mid-April... Many other states have spring practices, and those kids are getting the benefit of being watched by college coaches during this down time while Illinois kids don't get a chance. I'm not even saying have practices, but being able to work with more than 4 kids at a time and be legal would be nice.

 

[Ogre5530]

I believe there should be a number of contact days allowed in mid-Feb to mid-April... Many other states have spring practices, and those kids are getting the benefit of being watched by college coaches during this down time while Illinois kids don't get a chance. I'm not even saying have practices, but being able to work with more than 4 kids at a time and be legal would be nice.

Totally agree here!!!

 

[ruwallydog]

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[Anon1754760634]

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[Bwm57]

I would have no problem having Success Factor applied to all schools.

 

[CCIce10]

I believe there should be a number of contact days allowed in mid-Feb to mid-April... Many other states have spring practices, and those kids are getting the benefit of being watched by college coaches during this down time while Illinois kids don't get a chance. I'm not even saying have practices, but being able to work with more than 4 kids at a time and be legal would be nice.

While the benefit to football would be substantial, the harm to other programs would be as well. This would encourage many to not participate in Winter or Spring sports. Most knowledgeable people seem to think that competition year round in whatever athletic endeavor benefits the participant more than concentration on a single sport. Show me a way to incorporate all of it with the other sports and I might get on board.

 

[mc140]

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[reaperup]

While the benefit to football would be substantial, the harm to other programs would be as well. This would encourage many to not participate in Winter or Spring sports. Most knowledgeable people seem to think that competition year round in whatever athletic endeavor benefits the participant more than concentration on a single sport. Show me a way to incorporate all of it with the other sports and I might get on board.

The reason I don't think it will hurt is because we are saying maybe 15 times coaches can work with players. Maybe allow the coach to coach a 7 on 7, or put kids through drills that are not currently in a sport. When you can only pick 4 kids, you alienate a lot of other kids who deserve opportunities as well.

 

[mc140]

Controlled Preseason Scrimmage before week 1.

 

[godfthr53]

While the benefit to football would be substantial, the harm to other programs would be as well. This would encourage many to not participate in Winter or Spring sports. Most knowledgeable people seem to think that competition year round in whatever athletic endeavor benefits the participant more than concentration on a single sport. Show me a way to incorporate all of it with the other sports and I might get on board.

+1 Don't hurt the spring and winter sports.

 

[reaperup]

I guess my point is why does the number have to be 4? Why can't it be 10, or 15? My players have to pay money to go train with other people because I am not allowed to work with more than 4 of them at a time. Am I right? Any IHSA rule junkies out there that can post the rule up?

 

[mc140]

The reason I don't think it will hurt is because we are saying maybe 15 times coaches can work with players. Maybe allow the coach to coach a 7 on 7, or put kids through drills that are not currently in a sport. When you can only pick 4 kids, you alienate a lot of other kids who deserve opportunities as well.

A lot of states (Connecticut, South Carolina, Alabama, Florida) have spring practice in May after the end of the spring seasons or in a lot of cases the beginning of our summer contact time.

 

[mc140]

I guess my point is why does the number have to be 4? Why can't it be 10, or 15? My players have to pay money to go train with other people because I am not allowed to work with more than 4 of them at a time. Am I right? Any IHSA rule junkies out there that can post the rule up?

Have your kids go out for another sport instead of paying some guy to watch them throw footballs to each other.

 

[reaperup]

They do, they just end up doing both.

 

[LHSTigers94]

While the benefit to football would be substantial, the harm to other programs would be as well. This would encourage many to not participate in Winter or Spring sports. Most knowledgeable people seem to think that competition year round in whatever athletic endeavor benefits the participant more than concentration on a single sport. Show me a way to incorporate all of it with the other sports and I might get on board.

I disagree with this completely. States like Texas and Florida have spring ball and some of the best track and baseball athletes. Everybody has to work together.

 

[godfthr53]

I disagree with this completely. States like Texas and Florida have spring ball and some of the best track and baseball athletes. Everybody has to work together.

Try telling that to the track and baseball coaches that are trying to win a state championship.

 

[reaperup]

In our program, we have 40 juniors returning, 15 sophomores, and 25 freshmen. 56 of them are not in track or baseball. Some of them were cut. Those are the kids coaches would look to work with in skill related activities.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Try telling that to the track and baseball coaches that are trying to win a state championship.

Which is why Illinois has more specialization than probably any state in this country. Here is a fact. Any kid mission two weeks of baseball or track in April will not be the difference between winning or losing a state championship. For track, the only thing that matters is sectionals. For Baseball, playoffs is what counts. Football is the only sport where your record counts for post season play.

 

[mc140]

I disagree with this completely. States like Texas and Florida have spring ball and some of the best track and baseball athletes. Everybody has to work together.

Florida spring ball is after baseball and track season ends. Texas is Texas. They hire coordinators who make over 100k and teach just two classes a day there.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Florida spring ball is after baseball and track season ends. Texas is Texas. They hire coordinators who make over 100k and teach just two classes a day there.

Texas is Texas but their times are superior to ours while completely focusing on Football. My point is Spring ball will not interfere with the final results of track or Baseball. Will certain coaches have issues with the perception or issue with "disrespecting" their sport? yes. The interesting part for me is NONE of these same coaches have an issue with AAU basketball. That being said, what is the difference. Spring ball or limited recruiting sessions can be after hours like AAU basketball practice. It can also be controlled and select maybe 3 or 4 days to allow scouts to get a good look. Right now the only option in Illinois is year round football (paying certain facilities or individuals to train you) or risk not getting a big time offer to go to the next level if you play a spring sport. Keep in mind, at least two weeks of baseball is lost due to weather and most kids don't run at every track meet.

 

[mc140]

Right now the only option in Illinois is year round football (paying certain facilities or individuals to train you) or risk not getting a big time offer to go to the next level if you play a spring sport.

Please explain.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Please explain.

The number one selling point is exposure. I don't need outside exposure if I can train with my coaches and show progress in spring ball. The local coaches of the school will work close with the spring sport coaches to ensure the kid get what he need if going to the next level is in his future. Outside entities do not provide such flexibility which essentially force kids to choose between preparing to get better or play a spring sport and miss out on exposure. The reality is you can do both well. The rules don't allow a kid to get better through the school in fear of gaining a competitive advantage for a state title in November.

 

[CCIce10]

I disagree with this completely. States like Texas and Florida have spring ball and some of the best track and baseball athletes. Everybody has to work together.

Completely? How do they coordinate the conflicts in schedules? What are the nuts and bolts of the process to keep all the sports harmonious? I said that I could agree with this if there was a reasonable way for it to not harm the other sports.

 

[LHSTigers94]

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Completely? How do they coordinate the conflicts in schedules? What are the nuts and bolts of the process to keep all the sports harmonious? I said that I could agree with this if there was a reasonable way for it to not harm the other sports.

The first question would be how does it "harm" other sports. Every team automatically make post season play in spring sports.

 

[mc140]

Seeding? Being in proper shape. If every football team made the playoffs you would have no issue with ESL QB and RB taking 2-3 weeks off for a basketball minicamp?

 

[LHSTigers94]

Seeding? Being in proper shape. If every football team made the playoffs you would have no issue with ESL QB and RB taking 2-3 weeks off for a basketball minicamp?

They sneak and do it now after practice or early morning for Basketball. I never said take weeks off, I said do both.

Also there is no seeding in Track and I said earlier baseball is a different story. Even if the minimum amount of kids that play spring sports have to miss, there are other players (80% or more) that could benefit from it. Again the mentality is control 50 players because 5 might help baseball or Track win state therefore I am against it.

 

[illini14]

The number one selling point is exposure. I don't need outside exposure if I can train with my coaches and show progress in spring ball. The local coaches of the school will work close with the spring sport coaches to ensure the kid get what he need if going to the next level is in his future. Outside entities do not provide such flexibility which essentially force kids to choose between preparing to get better or play a spring sport and miss out on exposure. The reality is you can do both well. The rules don't allow a kid to get better through the school in fear of gaining a competitive advantage for a state title in November.

The rules don't allow a kid to get better through the school in fear of gaining a competitive advantage for a state title in November.....Is that a joke?

I'm sure the Lake Zurich's, Cary-Grove's, Glenbard West, and every other strong program in the state of IL that has a dedicated weight program in the state doesn't do a thing in the weight room from December-July.

Sure, would more of a "spring ball" be nice to have maybe 5-10 "practices" to work with your kids, yes. Alot of this 7 on 7 stuff is all over blown. Big Ten, SEC, PAC-10, etc. school are going to find kids regardless if they do it or not. If you can play D1, they will find you.

 

[LHSTigers94]

The rules don't allow a kid to get better through the school in fear of gaining a competitive advantage for a state title in November.....Is that a joke?

I'm sure the Lake Zurich's, Cary-Grove's, Glenbard West, and every other strong program in the state of IL that has a dedicated weight program in the state doesn't do a thing in the weight room from December-July.

Sure, would more of a "spring ball" be nice to have maybe 5-10 "practices" to work with your kids, yes. Alot of this 7 on 7 stuff is all over blown. Big Ten, SEC, PAC-10, etc. school are going to find kids regardless if they do it or not. If you can play D1, they will find you.

You missed the entire point. I am not advocating for spring ball in terms of gaining a better understand of the offense you are trying to run or becoming a more polished team. I am talking more on an individual player level as well as creating an opportunity for scouts to see kids in pads in person. My example would be the kid from GW who was the best player in the state at RB and it took a while for him to take off. Why? because its hard to judge a player like that by just watching film. I believe had scouts been able to see him in person during the spring, his list would have been a lot longer. Just my opinion.

My question is what does spring ball really hurt? Why is it important for us to force kids to play with these 7on7 programs and academies just to get some offseason work beside lifting weights. Help me understand your point as I think I am missing it. I understand the rules and we all work within them, what I don't understand is why is it negative to have spring ball?

 

[illini14]

You missed the entire point. I am not advocating for spring ball in terms of gaining a better understand of the offense you are trying to run or becoming a more polished team. I am talking more on an individual player level as well as creating an opportunity for scouts to see kids in pads in person. My example would be the kid from GW who was the best player in the state at RB and it took a while for him to take off. Why? because its hard to judge a player like that by just watching film. I believe had scouts been able to see him in person during the spring, his list would have been a lot longer. Just my opinion.

My question is what does spring ball really hurt? Why is it important for us to force kids to play with these 7on7 programs and academies just to get some offseason work beside lifting weights. Help me understand your point as I think I am missing it. I understand the rules and we all work within them, what I don't understand is why is it negative to have spring ball?

IMO Brodner didn't take off because he's white. And I think a lot of college coaches probably assumed he's a product of a great high school system, that is going to play linebacker in college and is probably limited when playing in space. That's what I'm guessing they thought.

Isn't that what the summer one day camps are for? Isn't that the carrot alot of BCS conference programs dangle in front of these kids that if they do well at a one-day camp they will get an offer? Then the kids they still aren't sure on they say, well send us your tape from games 1-3 and will go from there?

I don't disagree with what your saying. I think some type of "spring ball" would really help in recruiting, and also developing these kids to get better. Say have the month of May to have "practice" followed by the a scrimmage at the end. Line it up so coaches from colleges can come watch during the allowed live recruiting periods. Don't even need to go full pads, helmets and shoulder pads would do.

Take a couple weeks off, then begin your summer work.

I think the problem is coaches at the high school not encouraging kids to play multiple sports. Coaches should push kids to play basketball, wrestle, baseball, run track, etc. And if you aren't in season, get in the weight room. A lot of these kids are getting told, well you need to focus on football only.

 

[LHSTigers94]

IMO Brodner didn't take off because he's white. And I think a lot of college coaches probably assumed he's a product of a great high school system, that is going to play linebacker in college and is probably limited when playing in space. That's what I'm guessing they thought.

Isn't that what the summer one day camps are for? Isn't that the carrot alot of BCS conference programs dangle in front of these kids that if they do well at a one-day camp they will get an offer? Then the kids they still aren't sure on they say, well send us your tape from games 1-3 and will go from there?

I don't disagree with what your saying. I think some type of "spring ball" would really help in recruiting, and also developing these kids to get better. Say have the month of May to have "practice" followed by the a scrimmage at the end. Line it up so coaches from colleges can come watch during the allowed live recruiting periods. Don't even need to go full pads, helmets and shoulder pads would do.

Take a couple weeks off, then begin your summer work.

I think the problem is coaches at the high school not encouraging kids to play multiple sports. Coaches should push kids to play basketball, wrestle, baseball, run track, etc. And if you aren't in season, get in the weight room. A lot of these kids are getting told, well you need to focus on football only.

I think seeing him in person line up and hear the pads (something film can't present) would have changed all of that. One day camps don't allow true organized competition. College team camps do however Illinois schools are not allowed. I agree the summer is great for the team in itself so spring ball is irrelevant to the success or failure of the team. It specifically help recruiting and eliminate the questions a football coach may have of an up and coming player.

I don't know of a lot of coaches that speak against other sports but I do know most players prefer Basketball first and Football second. Baseball is usually third and track along with the rest of the sports are left hanging. I personal feel most track coaches are obsessed with winning state for track which lead to a bunch of restrictions based on their limited knowledge of weight lifting. This usually create a problem with football coaches. You can't play football weak. It's too dangerous.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

1. 6 Classes

2. True seedings for all classes - No more Naz vs JCA Championship games played in round 2

 

[mc140]

Besides majority of football coaches coaching baseball or track in the spring. The awful weather we have every March/April is another reason a true spring football is a bad idea.