So, which is it?
- Thread starter Vek96
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well for GREAT/GOOD coaches this roster is good enough
for subpar coaches they need extra help with nba studs
maybe pope is a do less with less coach, so maybe it would be different with better players, but hes a poor recruiter too so its bad in both ways
I don’t think Pope has had recruiting problems.
Year 1 - one of the best recruiters of anyone HS+Portal
Year 2 - Multiple JMI related issues with Collins and Stokes
He’s not an elite recruiter but certainly not bad.
Pope said last week that recruiting is going great so hopefully he has a couple silent verbals or something. Idk
3 mil for aberdeen bro
mikel is being paid like 1 mil i bet
Do you genuinely care how much any player has? I don’t. He had a top class. I think we have many issues —- I don’t think recruiting is one of them.
I’m just confused by the JMI stuff. If they’re our main source of NIL, they‘re failing miserably, and Pope would be wise to let that be known publicly, because he’s taking a beating over it.
He won’t and I don’t think anyone should expect anything different. Saying something would appease fans but it would only make things worse with JMi. You have to remember that’s now a business partner and they have to close on players after the coaches. He won’t and shouldn’t say anything. He should absolutely in private be getting with someone to figure out where things are going and how they get better.
It could just be in his nature where he’s upbeat most of the time but Pope said last week recruiting was going great. So hopefully behind the scenes if is or something. Idk what to think about that situation with jmi
Well, you gotta look at it like this. What’s he going to say? It wouldn’t have been wise to say, “Recruiting is in the toilet. I get emotional during negotiations and these JMI people don’t know what the hell they are doing!!!” Instead, he did what we should have. He’s gotta get with folks behind the scenes and keep the JMI relationship strong — no matter what we think of them, they want to make money too. It’s gonna be a process
I'm not saying this just to disagree but...I really think it could be both.
I know what you mean but he was really upbeat about it. The way it sounded you would think he had a silent verbal or something. I know he won’t publicly say anything bad about JMI. I guess you would have to hear it to know what I mean.
I don’t trust coaches during interviews like that. They know they are there to play the hits and coachspeak their way through it. Pope’s no different, if you have the clip I’ll watch though
I think JMI is a problem.Agents are generally attorneys and they are not going to let their clients sign away anything.
I don’t, I honest to god can’t remember where I heard him even say it at. It just caught my attention when he did.
Unfortunately, I believe that a majority of the blame for our recruiting woes are on Pope.
Pope‘s confusing and convoluted coaching style will ultimately hurt our recruiting more than JMI.
The recruiting problems are completely on Pope.
There’s plenty of money thru JMI and even more outside of JMI. But we are not out bid.
No player that thinks he’s NBA bound after one season is going to sign on with a system coach. Not just Pope. They aren’t signing with other system coaches either.
Yet Pope continues to chase them instead of focusing on fit.
And if one of those players did consider signing on with a system coach they will quickly be steered elsewhere by handlers.
Now Pope has compounded the problem by not showing that he will make a player better.
Now you have the one sure pro on the team Dad publicly criticizing how his son is being used.
One would have to be delusional to not think that rivals are using all of this against UK in recruiting.
JMI just gives everyone a place to lay blame.
There’s plenty of money thru JMI and even more outside of JMI. But we are not out bid.
No player that thinks he’s NBA bound after one season is going to sign on with a system coach. Not just Pope. They aren’t signing with other system coaches either.
Yet Pope continues to chase them instead of focusing on fit.
And if one of those players did consider signing on with a system coach they will quickly be steered elsewhere by handlers.
Now Pope has compounded the problem by not showing that he will make a player better.
Now you have the one sure pro on the team Dad publicly criticizing how his son is being used.
One would have to be delusional to not think that rivals are using all of this against UK in recruiting.
JMI just gives everyone a place to lay blame.
Wait, what? You don’t think recruiting is an issue? It is THE issue. These kids aren’t very good. No one can shoot and popes own system relies on shooters. On top of that we paid top dollar for kids with role player talent. Now like you said, I don’t care what we pay the players as long as the bag matches the talent and bubba it does not.
let me have dukes or Michigan’s team tomorrow and I will coach them to a victory over Kentucky. That’s how steep the talent drop off is. That’s the difference in good recruiting and bad recruiting
It is combination of the two. I think you’re right. This is scary because we are stuck with both
Our recruiting class between HS and portal was ranked higher than both of those teams. The fit is off, sure, but that’s not recruiting. If you’re absolutely certain it’s recruiting then there’s no point arguing over it. I feel like I’ve done my homework on it and I have a different opinion.
I see other, more glaring issues that won’t be resolved even if we had X player instead of Y player.
Yea he couldn’t say what we know. “We’re screwed “
Never heard of Aberdeen last year even with th championship and barely hear about him now and he’s on my team. Big disappointment I was high on him this summer. Just seems selfish and bad attitude on top of the lackadaisical basketball play.
Pope on paper had 2 good recruiting years. But I don’t think he has got what it takes to do it every year plus he’s not a good coach
I don’t care if every player got paid a billion. Not taking from my pockets. But it is wild that we pay several million for bench players when stars aren’t making that much. That’s my only gripe when it comes to money.
Idk if it’s true but if we paid Aberdeen 3 million which I doubt then Michigan paid yaxel 1.5 we need to figure out the issue.
Numbers aren’t correct I was just adding to what the other guy said for example
I have no idea what any player got and I don’t care. I’m not one of these that thinks “team paid X amount equals championship.” I don’t expect microwave titles, but I expect good coaching. As for Yaxel, that was tricky. He was 50/50 to go to the NBA and was a late decision for it. If we went all-in on him and he went pro, we would have lost out on a lot of others. I don’t have the answers for a situation like that coz it’s really easy to look back now with hindsight and say, “Wow you should have went all in on Yaxel.” But today, we know he didn’t go to the draft. Tricky one.
I know what you‘re saying, but man, Pope has to be getting tired of taking all of the blame for not landing even one stud.
I’m fine with getting a lot of solid pieces, but, you have to have at least one go to star, if not 2.
If he said something in a press conference about JMI it would make it harder, not easier to get someone of that magnitude. There are things you say to a boss or a business partner in private and there are things you say in public. I know we are upset but we have to think about the situation. If you are a McDonald’s public relations spokesman and go on national TV and talk about how disgusting the Big Mac is, you’re fired. Maybe if you talk to someone in private they can consider your input. I’m just being realistic
How many times does it need to be told to you that the offense we're running isn't generating consistently good looks? We have shooters. Cam/Kam can shoot it lights out from deep, Lowe can shoot. We're just not generating high percentage looks.
If you're running a great offense (not talking about great shooters).....cuts, hard screens, lobs, rolls, all that, then you can definitely do well without "stars".
Not trying to be disagreeable but you mention System Coach a few times. I see no evidence of any type of system being used. I think we have talent, we have depth, we have total confusion and, we seem to lack spirit. I know what Pope says but the product on the floor is not a reflection of his words. What is this system called or, is it not part of the system to give it a name?
We’re running the “chaos” system where each player runs their own offense and tries to guess what the rest of their teammates are running. It’s really fun —- sometimes, you even luck up and score
