Some optimism,and support for Grayson yesterday

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Yeah call me overly optimistic, but I'm still not panicking yet. That will change if we get word that Amile's injury keeps him out of the foreseeable future. We NEED him back soon in order to develop enough chemistry to have a shot this season.
 

hart2chesson

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When is Gottleib going to let his hate for Duke go?......oh wait....never....watch your credit cards folks!

Pitiful the sad hatred he has for us....Guess it was Duke's fault he put his shorts on backwards in his playing days....

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Baller224

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He might've defended him initially, but yesterday Gottlieb posted a kid trying to trip his son in little league basketball and said the other kid was "trying to go Grayson Allen on his son."
 
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CRAZIE4LIFE

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Michelle Beadle is an old hag that thinks she is still a hot little sports reporter, and she is clueless about anything sports. I'd like to see a good ESPN protest
 
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Michelle Beadle is an old hag that thinks she is still a hot little sports reporter, and she is clueless about anything sports. I'd like to see a good ESPN protest
Her show sucks and she needs to be let go for making comments like that. She's encouraging violence and that's totally unacceptable. Duke should do everything in their power to keep those idiots out of CIS( that includes Bilas and Williams also)
 

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So wait if Grayson does nothing to the opposing person who knocks him out does that student get obliterated by the media and she lose her job for promoting violence toward another human being?
If it was to happen I'd love to see ESPN's spin on this one!
 

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ESPN rewards these failing "journalists" when they say something over the top. There's no stopping the modern news outlet. I'm down to PBS, the Atlantic, WSJournal and BBC for analysis. Everything else is trying way too hard to sell me an angle. ESPN is tough because they own all the content. I wish Chris Spatola would start doing our games.
 

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Her show sucks and she needs to be let go for making comments like that. She's encouraging violence and that's totally unacceptable. Duke should do everything in their power to keep those idiots out of CIS( that includes Bilas and Williams also)
I wouldn't mind seeing Bilas booed just a little. How about a sign with Gene Wilder on it that says, "Hey Bilas, tell us more about how that was a bad call?"
 

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I'm sure there are plenty of people that think showing support for Grayson is a heinous act, but what they fail to see is that it's a push back against a media that is not trying to rehab Grayson Allen, but to destroy him.

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Exactly OAD. This is a domino effect. The media keeps portraying Grayson as this terrible excuse for a human being, which makes people who dislike Duke have disturbing almost sick thoughts of violence toward a young man who is just a college student playing basketball. It's shameful and unacceptable. Right now IMO Grayson isn't doing anything wrong. He's going out there and playing basketball and making plays that any other college basketball player would make, but yet media STILL keeps going after him. It's starting to wear on me as fan. I can only imagine what it's like for him.
 

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Exactly OAD. This is a domino effect. The media keeps portraying Grayson as this terrible excuse for a human being, which makes people who dislike Duke have disturbing almost sick thoughts of violence toward a young man who is just a college student playing basketball. It's shameful and unacceptable. Right now IMO Grayson isn't doing anything wrong. He's going out there and playing basketball and making plays that any other college basketball player would make, but yet media STILL keeps going after him. It's starting to wear on me as fan. I can only imagine what it's like for him.

This is just the kind of rational, thoughtful thinking that has absolutely no place on an internet message board. Shame on you.
 

ticket2ride04

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I was very shocked ESPN chose to come to Duke for the Miami game. They just don't know what they're about walk into and I will be front and center to see this. Give em hell Crazies! Ask them why they're not concerned with UNC's 3rd NOA

What, exactly, are the Crazies going to do that would rattle ESPN?




Where's the firestorm against Draymond Green and his antics. Why isn't someone saying someone needs to knock his punk arse out?

He's not a white guy from Duke.

Far more people in America know and loathe Draymond Green. He has been roundly criticized for several years and was even suspended for a game in the Finals.
 

timo0402

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What, exactly, are the Crazies going to do that would rattle ESPN?








Far more people in America know and loathe Draymond Green. He has been roundly criticized for several years and was even suspended for a game in the Finals.
He was suspended in the finals because he had racked up enough techs in the playoffs to require him a one game suspension- not because of the specific act. And as far as more "people" know of him, not sure that as big of a fact as you want it to be for your argument and I could argue the other way quite easily if we are just going by news coverage on espn.
 

ticket2ride04

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He was suspended in the finals because he had racked up enough techs in the playoffs to require him a one game suspension- not because of the specific act. And as far as more "people" know of him, not sure that as big of a fact as you want it to be for your argument and I could argue the other way quite easily if we are just going by news coverage on espn.
You could argue it and you'd be wrong. NBA is a far bigger sport and has way more eyes than college basketball. Green is one of the most polarizing players in the league. To claim he hasn't drawn any criticism is laughable.

And that does not mean Allen hasn't received a ton of attention.
 

timo0402

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You could argue it and you'd be wrong. NBA is a far bigger sport and has way more eyes than college basketball. Green is one of the most polarizing players in the league. To claim he hasn't drawn any criticism is laughable.

And that does not mean Allen hasn't received a ton of attention.
Where did I say he doesn't draw any criticism? Pretty sure nowhere. And your statement was that far more people know and loathe Green. If your basis is purely that the nba is a more known game, fine, but you're dismissing the actual amount of people that know and loathe Allen because of the coverage he has gotten. For instance after the Elon game, the top six or seven links on the espn home page were about him- not the college bball page, the main page. THey get millions of hits a day. Don't think that has ever happened with Green.
 

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I would like to know from Bilas, why during the outpouring of congratulations to Roy Williams for winning 800 games, there is not mention of the cheating allegations that hang over his head and may have contributed to his success. That would seem appropriate since anything Grayson does that is positive is coupled with reference to his transgressions. I see an inconsistency in coverage there, obviously to the lack of "sexiness" in mentioning the UNC mess. That's an example of where ESPN chooses "entertainment" over journalism.
 

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You could argue it and you'd be wrong. NBA is a far bigger sport and has way more eyes than college basketball. Green is one of the most polarizing players in the league. To claim he hasn't drawn any criticism is laughable.

And that does not mean Allen hasn't received a ton of attention.

timo's argument was news coverage, not tv ratings. A game is only played once. Sportscenter runs multiple times a day... and then every sports channel has multiple shows discussing the latest headlines in sports. ESPN has placed Grayson on the front of ESPN 3 or 4 times during the 2016 calendar for his antics; his coverage is blowing up everywhere on the news, even making it on CNN. ESPN is getting over 90 million unique visitors in a month's time. And now the problem is being magnified because every subtle movement by Grayson is scrutinized under a microscope to question if his actions were malicious or not. He is great for ESPN and other sports shows because fans like a villain, and fans also love to hate Duke. It's a no-brainer for tv ratings and click bait. Draymond gets his fair share of negative stories, but I don't think it's quite as bad as Grayson's coverage.
 
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Wilbon on PTI yesterday tried to compare Draymond Green close-lining Lebron to Grayson. Kornheiser wasn't buying it. I'm waiting for the OJ-Grayson comparison from ESPN in March to drive ratings.
 

hart2chesson

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I would like to know from Bilas, why during the outpouring of congratulations to Roy Williams for winning 800 games, there is not mention of the cheating allegations that hang over his head and may have contributed to his success. That would seem appropriate since anything Grayson does that is positive is coupled with reference to his transgressions. I see an inconsistency in coverage there, obviously to the lack of "sexiness" in mentioning the UNC mess. That's an example of where ESPN chooses "entertainment" over journalism.

If Grayson played for UNC, ESPN wouldnt have nearly as much coverage....Roy has Bilas brainwashed....Despite all the signs pointing to Williams guilt, Bilas maintained early on "I believe in Roy Williams." Keeps his paycheck coming in as well!

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Unfortunately ESPN needs to drive ratings b/c cord cutters are slashing revenue. Duke drives the needle so expect lots of opinion talk against us. In 2014, ESPN planted reporters on FSU campus for weeks digging up football rumors and enjoyed the sky high ratings, yet never did that with SEC teams as CBS holds their tv rights.
 
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If Grayson played for UNC, ESPN wouldnt have nearly as much coverage...
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But the reason is because Duke is such a polarizing program. The Deflategate thing was SO big, in part, because it was the Patriots and not some other team. ESPN loves to make a big deal about this because it strikes a nerve with nearly everyone - because nearly everyone either loves Duke or hates Duke.
Suh stomping on a guy wasn't this big. (Lions)
Odor's punch wasn't this big. (Blue Jays)
Happy Gilmore stabbing a guy with a skate wasn't this big.
But since it's Duke, if Grayson had a habit of chewing his fingernails he'd be ranked right up there with Hitler and the guy from "The Last Boyscout" that shot guys on the field.
He ABSOLUTELY needs to quit tripping people. But some are acting like this is the most wicked player committing the most wicked acts ever in sports and it's just not true.
 

hart2chesson

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But the reason is because Duke is such a polarizing program. The Deflategate thing was SO big, in part, because it was the Patriots and not some other team. ESPN loves to make a big deal about this because it strikes a nerve with nearly everyone - because nearly everyone either loves Duke or hates Duke.
Suh stomping on a guy wasn't this big. (Lions)
Odor's punch wasn't this big. (Blue Jays)
Happy Gilmore stabbing a guy with a skate wasn't this big.
But since it's Duke, if Grayson had a habit of chewing his fingernails he'd be ranked right up there with Hitler and the guy from "The Last Boyscout" that shot guys on the field.
He ABSOLUTELY needs to quit tripping people. But some are acting like this is the most wicked player committing the most wicked acts ever in sports and it's just not true.

Amen and Thank You!

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