Speaking of incidents from the past, does anyone remember Jason Capel punching Jason Collier (Georgia Tech) back in 1999 or 2000? Maybe he attempted to throw a punch and missed, but I remember him go after Collier in a violent manner. Would love to watch video of that incident, but I can't find any videos from that game. Pretty sure it was the game at Alexander Coliseum on January 29, 2000. Does anyone know where I could obtain a copy of this game. I would love to watch it all the way through to track that play down. I remember the announcers speculating about a possible suspension, but nothing ever came of it.
Some optimism,and support for Grayson yesterday
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2 skerz 3 in respect to mods, I will GLADLY answer your question on the SHAMELESS thread detailed very well by Devil DJ. I am sure any details I leave out he can fill in blanks....
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Maybe it's because I 'technically' work in the media that I feel this way, but I really don't think there's a predetermined negative media bias against Duke (or UK of UNC, for that matter). The fact is, Duke moves the needle. With that comes a whole lot of positive stuff, but also negative things too. It's kind of that taking the good with the bad type of deal.
I forget the name of the kid from Iowa....is it Woodbury? Anyway, he's the one who had the multiple incidents of poking someone in the eye. In the grand scheme of things what he did is probably equal (or greater) to Grayson, but who really cares about Iowa? They're an example of a team who doesn't move the needle. At all. Is that fair? No, but it's kind of taking the good with the bad again.
Please don't take this to mean that I think some of the coverage on Grayson hasn't been bad. It has been. But that's standard operating procedure when you're Duke. Someone earlier in the this thread used New England as a similar example....it's pretty much right on. Duke is the modern-day villain in college basketball. Sure, opposing fans will say it's because of people like Grayson Allen that Duke is hated. But that's not entirely true. If Duke wasn't Duke, ESPN and all the way down to the little podunk station in Cody, Wyoming wouldn't give this the time they do because, you guessed it, it wouldn't move the needle. Duke is Duke because they win, have best basketball coach of the modern era and because people love to hate the 'bad' guys. While I hate some of the negative coverage that has taken place, I'm also resolute enough to know that Duke, whether winning or losing, keeps people talking. Again, that's often times good, but it can be bad too.
I forget the name of the kid from Iowa....is it Woodbury? Anyway, he's the one who had the multiple incidents of poking someone in the eye. In the grand scheme of things what he did is probably equal (or greater) to Grayson, but who really cares about Iowa? They're an example of a team who doesn't move the needle. At all. Is that fair? No, but it's kind of taking the good with the bad again.
Please don't take this to mean that I think some of the coverage on Grayson hasn't been bad. It has been. But that's standard operating procedure when you're Duke. Someone earlier in the this thread used New England as a similar example....it's pretty much right on. Duke is the modern-day villain in college basketball. Sure, opposing fans will say it's because of people like Grayson Allen that Duke is hated. But that's not entirely true. If Duke wasn't Duke, ESPN and all the way down to the little podunk station in Cody, Wyoming wouldn't give this the time they do because, you guessed it, it wouldn't move the needle. Duke is Duke because they win, have best basketball coach of the modern era and because people love to hate the 'bad' guys. While I hate some of the negative coverage that has taken place, I'm also resolute enough to know that Duke, whether winning or losing, keeps people talking. Again, that's often times good, but it can be bad too.
Perfect write up. That's the whole thing- it's polarizing- it moves the needle, that is why they'll continue to shove it down your throats b/c hate it or love it, people tune in/click. If you don't like it don't give them the eyeballs. But it absolutely has to do with who he is on the team he plays for, no question about that.
The original assertion by another poster was that Allen was getting too much heat and that Green didn't get enough. I made the point that Green has received much more coverage than Allen for his antics. It might be impossible to prove one or the other, but we an make the deduction by looking at a few key factors. Green is much more known. He has over 750k Twitter followers vs Allen's 150k. He is a NBA All-Star and Champion. He has been the subject of an article written by Time. He plays in a league that draws far more coverage than men's basketball.
I tried to see who was 'googled' more, but could not find it.
Yeah, I think if you're arguing the popularity of NBA- it's clearly worldwide, where yes MCBB is national. I guess what I am arguing is the level of coverage/hate that Grayson is getting. Time piece on Green is great, but Grayson has been the subject of plenty of publishers. Again, it's the amount of news coverage, not who's more "popular" which of course someone in the NBA which is worldwide is going to trump any other athlete. (maybe outside of soccer or a very few select NFL guys).
You're making my point for me. The more popular figure in the more popular sport on the most popular team will garner more scrutiny.
@dukiejay pointed it out earlier. Adam Woodbury didn't get coverage for something as bad or worse because he isn't Grayson Allen and he doesn't play for Duke.
The coverage for Green is far, far greater than the coverage for Allen.
Good to see GA get some positive vibes outside of the ESPN onslaught.....
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Nah i think we're both saying the same thing. Both Grayson and Green are popular polarizing figures. And yes the NBA popularity is more, but the actual coverage on Grayson isn't "much less" than it is for Green. IF we were arguing one polarizing figure vs. one that's not (woodbury) then yes, that is correct. Honestly this doesn't even matter, the point the whole time was to say that Grayson's negative coverage this year, especially on ESPN, isn't dwarfed by the coverage of Green, or anyone else. Either way we're nitpicking a pointless and inane argument b/c it doesn't make any difference and yes both guys get tons of attention.
I agree with the statement that it might be impossible to prove. But I don't know that twitter followers and google searches are the most relevant metrics when analyzing the negative coverage for each player. I mean think about it, Green has 750k twitter followers and ESPN has 90+ million unique visitors a month. Obviously ESPN and other networks are going to cover players that generate a lot more clicks and interests. They will cover Green when his antics come up, but I'd be willing to bet Grayson is probably the most recognizable athlete in college basketball. He makes college basketball more relevant and interesting. Someone who generates a lot of negative coverage (much like Trump) will keep audiences listening.
Sports networks love covering Grayson's tripping incidents. Nothing is better for college basketball viewership than having a dirty player for the most hated program in America. Grayson Allen is one of the faces of college basketball; Draymond Green is the 4th option on his team. Still more popular than Grayson? Maybe, but ESPN appears to be watching Grayson's every move in case anything remotely suspicious is caught on camera. He gets headlines for actions that are mostly innocent, but because of his history, ESPN shows them as a headlines on the scroller (ie: ACC can't confirm whether Grayson intentionally extended leg against BC player or pushed FSU assistant).
It's debatable, but it's not conclusive as you indicated earlier.
I called it. Dickie V called out Beadle on her promotion of violence against Grayson. He irks me sometimes with the over the top persona, but the man calls out the ******** he sees. Dickie V
has integrity.
So glad to hear this news. The network is declining comment on Beadle's preposterous notion, and Dickie V is the only personality there to criticize her actions...
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I would argue that it's more Green vs. Duke than Green vs. Allen that you're arguing. Case in point, back to Woodbury. Do you think if Allen had done his tripping at Iowa the rest of college basketball would be talking about it? The answer is no. It's back to that thing about Duke moving the needle. And imo, Duke is a bigger brand than Draymond Green.
I see where you're going with this and I don't totally disagree but if you want to frame it like that, I would say it's the NBA + Green vs Duke and Allen
NBA > Duke > Green > Allen
I hope I'm clear when I say Allen is the most recongnizable player in college hoops at the moment and drives way more traffic than anyone else (Duke effect coupled with his antics). That said, Green is one of the most polarizing players in the NBA and it is my belief he drives even more traffic than Allen (NBA effect coupled with his antics). Combine the NBA with Green and it's more than Duke and Allen.
And yes, I fully realize we are arguing something that we can't prove. I wish I could get article and website hits for both players. I'm sure they're out there.
All this was born because a poster stated someone should be chastising Green, to which I tried to point out he has been chastised. And here we are. Lol.
Here's the audio.
I caught it on ESPN radio on the way home. Dickie V and Seth Greenberg were commenting on it. He didn't say Beadle's name, but said he heard someone call for Grayson to be punched out, and that such a statement was absurd and inappropriate and that folks were making way too much of Allen's mistake.
Then of course Greenturd made a completely incoherent "counterpoint." He is such a panderer. But hey, that works in popular media and politics. Tell the morons what they want to hear and you rise to the top!
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During the Warriors-Thunder game moments ago Jeff Van Gundy said "This idea that Grayson Allen should've served a multi-game suspension is ridiculous" Mark Jackson said he agreed and both went on to say they enjoyed watching him play, calling him a good player.
Skerz I answered this on SHAMELESS thread, w/additional info from Devil DJ-thx!
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Alonzo Trier has PED's in his system and can't play until it has completely left his body, but PED's in college sports aren't a big issue but Grayson Allen is. SMH!!