Some random thoughts...

bthaunert

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Sitting here watching my kid pound down some mac n cheese with the game on in the background and thought I would post about a few things:

1. The funniest thing about the 3 Mitch hires (Papa Brooks, Joker and Stoops) is, at the time, I thought the Joker and Stoops hires were both good hires and I thought the Brooks hire was a bad one. I know many will disagree on my take on the Joker hire, but when he was made HCIW, we were coming off two very impressive years of offense, he was a UK guy and I just thought it was a great way to keep the momentum going. I was obviously wrong. I thought the Stoops hire was a good one. Had a plan for recruiting, had passion, came from a very good program as a DC....I was wrong on that one too. When Papa Brooks was hired, I wanted Doug Williams...I was 0 for 3.

2. I still honestly believe that upper administration likes Mitch. That is the biggest issue here. He does everything a president (who come from UAB, a non-football school) like Eli loves. He keeps the program clean, he gives money back to the University, he put $65 million into the Science Building, he graduates athletes....all of those things, to a President who really has no athletic background love. I firmly believe, that regardless of football, Mitch isn't going anywhere, unless he leaves on his own.

3. I still didn't mind the Stoops hire. Like I said, I thought it was a good hire at the time. What I do mind is the extension. It was 100% completely unnecessary and has put us in a situation where it's going to be very expensive, and maybe not possible to get rid O's Stoops.

4. Mitch has hired a "rogue" coach (per media) in the past when he hired Dennis Erickson at Oregon State. His last college job was at Miami, where they went on 3 years probation shortly after he left. I wish that Mitch would come back. Art Briles, IMO, is the answer.

5. I also believe the only way to get Briles if it Big Time Boosters put a feeler out and then push Mitch's hand by giving the buyout money only if Briles is the next guy.

That's all...now back to gouging my eyes out watching this game.
 

LowCountryCat

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What you are witnessing is what I said last year and was criticized roundly for:

Stoops' recruits aren't good enough to compete in the SEC or even OOC without some coaching, and Stoops has proven he has zero ability to coach up.

I was wary of the Stoops hire but like any UK fan what the hell choice do you have. So I was open minded until Barney gave him that absurd extension. Then I was all hell out for noon for Mitch. Stoops is a disaster but not nearly the disaster that Barney is.
 

bthaunert

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What you are witnessing is what I said last year and was criticized roundly for:

Stoops' recruits aren't good enough to compete in the SEC or even OOC without some coaching, and Stoops has proven he has zero ability to coach up.

I was wary of the Stoops hire but like any UK fan what the hell choice do you have. So I was open minded until Barney gave him that absurd extension. Then I was all hell out for noon for Mitch. Stoops is a disaster but not nearly the disaster that Barney is.
We disagreed (and probably still do) on the recruiting thing. We recruit good enough now to be competitive with half of our SEC games. No reason to compare us to Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, TAMU and such since we don't play all of those teams on a yearly basis. If you compare us to Mizzou, Mississippi State, Vandy and South Carolina (half of our SEC schedule every year), we have enough talent, on paper, to hang with or beat those teams. That is leaps and bounds better than we have been in the past. The issue is the coaching...it's terrible.

We do agree overall that we suck....there is no denying that.
 

TBCat

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Agree on all points except maybe Briles. I can still be sold on Briles but for now I am in the against club. You have to convince me that he wasn't involved in a big way. I can get over a coach that lost control over his program and bad things happen. Yes that coach deserves to be fired but can get a second chance. On the other hand if he was actively involved in the cover up then he should never coach again. I'm not trying to be a moralist here but rape is quite a bit more serious than most of the things coaches do. I'd forgive paying players sooner than I would that.
 

bthaunert

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Agree on all points except maybe Briles. I can still be sold on Briles but for now I am in the against club. You have to convince me that he wasn't involved in a big way. I can get over a coach that lost control over his program and bad things happen. Yes that coach deserves to be fired but can get a second chance. On the other hand if he was actively involved in the cover up then he should never coach again. I'm not trying to be a moralist here but rape is quite a bit more serious than most of the things coaches do. I'd forgive paying players sooner than I would that.
There has been no evidence, none, that says he was invovled. I know it's not a black and white one, and maybe it's someone besides Briles, because Sexual Asault is a MAJOR topic on college campus these days, so bringing him in would put a huge target on UK if something did happen while Briles was in control, even if there was no way for him to know or prevent it.

All I know, is we have to find someone to get it right next time.
 

bthaunert

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Mitch. Science building. Graduate players.

Stopped.
You don't think the President loves him because of that? I wasn't phrasing Mitch for doing it, I was pointing at the fact that a University President, loves that kind of stuff, so I doubt Eli gets rid of him. Do you disagree with that?
 

morgousky

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Mitch must not be allowed to make another major sports hire. We need two different AD's. One in charge of basketball and football operations, and Mitch as the director of the smaller sports. I don't know if it's been done before, but it needs to be done now. If not, he needs to be fired for incompetence on this last football contract alone.

Either way, something has to be done. They are losing the fan base who pays the bills.
 

morgousky

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You don't think the President loves him because of that? I wasn't phrasing Mitch for doing it, I was pointing at the fact that a University President, loves that kind of stuff, so I doubt Eli gets rid of him. Do you disagree with that?
Unfortunately no. I stopped becaus it makes me sick.
 

Kats23

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I thought the Stoops hire was the best we could do when he was hired considering Mitch wasn't going to consider Petrino. I agree with you on the extension and certainly the parameters of the extension. It's almost like Mitch called Stoops' agent and said write up a deal and UK will sign it no matter what. If Mitch wanted to show good faith, it should of been performance based incentives w/o the buyout. I've said it before, it showed arrogance and desperation.

While Mitch may survive this, there is no way I let him pick the next coach and I can't image the boosters will allow that happen. The other side of the coin here, is UK is in some hot water and UK may have a new president before long as well.
 
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katwest

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Looks like Florida would show some class and just run the ball now, if we can't stop that so be it, but stop the passing. Running the score up on Kentucky isn't going to impress anybody.
 
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The hire didn't bother me. The massive contract extension midway through the second year really bothers me. That's why our hands are tied. That's what keeps us stuck with an incompetent coach at the helm.
 

Monroe Claxton

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Science Building will be nice. The new telescope is so powerful that students will be able to see the methane belt around Uranus
 

CB3UK

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Agree on Briles. If he was definitely involved then no way. If it can't be proven then hire him. Baylor settled with Briles in his wrongful termination lawsuit. He was contractually owed $40 million. Why on Earth would they settle with him if he was guilty of covering up the rapes...they wouldn't owe him a dime. That to me says he was a scapegoat and we need to take a flyer on him. If there is concrete evidence showing he was coveting for his players raping students then we'll talk.
 

ZZBlueComet

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Brooks took over a bad (even by UK standards) football program, that had just come off probation and severe scholarship cuts (imagine how bad that is) - Brooks took us to multiple bowl games, 8 win seasons and wins over programs like UofL, UGA, LSU, Clemson, Arky and FSU - we actually believed we could play with anyone for a couple of years. Brooks should have a statue in front of Commonwealth.
 

K_TIME

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The hire didn't bother me. The massive contract extension midway through the second year really bothers me. That's why our hands are tied. That's what keeps us stuck with an incompetent coach at the helm.
Exactly...it's hard to hire coaches at UK. Bottom of SEC, not a great talent rich state.etc...but you can give Stoops his 4 years and if he fails...then move on to the next hire. BUt the extension was just absurd and now we're sort of stuck for another year or more...or we have a huge buyout that inhibits the next coach.
 

LowCountryCat

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We disagreed (and probably still do) on the recruiting thing. We recruit good enough now to be competitive with half of our SEC games. No reason to compare us to Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, TAMU and such since we don't play all of those teams on a yearly basis. If you compare us to Mizzou, Mississippi State, Vandy and South Carolina (half of our SEC schedule every year), we have enough talent, on paper, to hang with or beat those teams. That is leaps and bounds better than we have been in the past. The issue is the coaching...it's terrible.

We do agree overall that we suck....there is no denying that.
The recruiting issue is that if you can't coach but CAN recruit, you need to bring in a class in the middle of the league in order to win those games. Stoops can't coach 'em up and his recruits are still in the SEC cellar. So he loses.
 

DaBossIsBack

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What you are witnessing is what I said last year and was criticized roundly for:

Stoops' recruits aren't good enough to compete in the SEC or even OOC without some coaching, and Stoops has proven he has zero ability to coach up.

I was wary of the Stoops hire but like any UK fan what the hell choice do you have. So I was open minded until Barney gave him that absurd extension. Then I was all hell out for noon for Mitch. Stoops is a disaster but not nearly the disaster that Barney is.
Congrats on noticing it last year.