Soucie Classification Brackets

[godfthr53]

Using Soucies preseason rankings and total 3 year averages. Rough brackets. These don't take into account Playoff Points. 5A weak, 6A South Stacked,


1 LaGrange Park (Nazareth)
16 Norridge (Ridgewood)
8 Chicago (Morgan Park)
9 Maple Park (Kaneland)
4 Chicago (King)
13 Tinley Park
5 Glen Ellyn (Glenbard South)
12 Chicago (Payton)
2 Joliet (Catholic)
15 Chicago (Urban Prep/Englewood)
7 Wheaton (St. Francis)
10 Chicago (Solorio Academy)
3 Sycamore
14 Chicago (Westinghouse)
6 Woodstock (Marian)
11 Olympia Fields (Rich Central)

1 Washington
16 Troy (Triad)
8 Metamora
9 Sterling
4 Normal (University)
13 Jacksonville
5 Peoria
12 Centralia
2 Highland
15 Mattoon
7 Marion
10 Champaign (Central)
3 Peoria (Notre Dame)
14 Bartonville (Limestone)
6 Mahomet-Seymour
11 Evergreen Park

1 Lombard (Montini)
16 Hampshire
8 Grayslake (North)
9 Rockford (Auburn)
4 Lake Forest
13 Riverside-Brookfield
5 Lake Villa (Lakes)
12 Antioch
2 Cary-Grove
15 Chicago (Kenwood)
7 Rockford (Boylan)
10 Belvidere (North)
3 Crystal Lake (Prairie Ridge)
14 Aurora (Marmion)
6 DeKalb
11 Crystal Lake (Central)

1 Springfield (Sacred Heart Griffin)
16 Harvey (Thornton)
8 Darien (Hinsdale South)
9 Normal (Community West)
4 Lemont
13 Quincy
5 New Lenox (Providence)
12 Burbank (St. Laurence)
2 Oak Lawn (Richards)
15 Yorkville
7 Burbank (Reavis)
10 Chatham (Glenwood)
3 Crete-Monee
14 Rock Island
6 Oak Forest
11 Chicago (Hubbard)

1 Batavia
32 Skokie (Niles North)
16 East St. Louis (Senior)
17 Chicago (Whitney Young)
8 Bradley-Bourbonnais
25 Wheaton (North)
9 Rockton (Hononegah)
24 Wheaton (Warrenville South)
4 Normal (Community)
29 Arlington Heights (Hersey)
13 St. Charles (North)
20 Chicago (St. Patrick)
5 Geneva
28 Plainfield (East)
12 Oak Park (Fenwick)
21 Algonquin (Jacobs)

2 Chicago (Mount Carmel)
31 Addison (Trail)
15 Lisle (Benet)
18 Highland Park
7 Chicago (St. Rita)
26 Chicago (Lincoln Park)
10 Lake Zurich
23 Northbrook (Glenbrook North)
3 New Lenox (Lincoln-Way West)
30 Schaumburg
14 Machesney Park (Harlem)
19 Belleville (West)
6 Libertyville
27 Chicago (Kelly)
11 Rolling Meadows
22 Chicago (Schurz)

1 Glen Ellyn (Glenbard West)
32 Chicago Heights (Bloom)
16 Bolingbrook
17 Naperville (Neuqua Valley)
8 Barrington
25 Niles (Notre Dame)
9 Park Ridge (Maine South)
24 Gurnee (Warren)
4 Edwardsville
29 South Elgin
13 Aurora (Waubonsie Valley)
20 Huntley
5 Homewood-Flossmoor
28 Palatine (Fremd)
12 Chicago (Curie)
21 Carol Stream (Glenbard North)

2 Wilmette (Loyola)
31 Oswego (East)
15 Winnetka (New Trier)
18 Palatine
7 Chicago (Simeon)
26 LaGrange (Lyons)
10 Oswego
23 Hinsdale (Central)
3 Lincolnshire (Stevenson)
30 Glenview (Glenbrook South)
14 Oak Park (River Forest)
19 Chicago (Marist)
6 Naperville (Central)
27 Hoffman Estates (Conant)
11 Frankfort (Lincoln-Way East)
22 Chicago (Brother Rice)

 

[pjjp]

I'll go out on a very short limb and say if Naz is 5A, they will roll to the title without being challenged.

 

[RRH1]

How many championships before Nazareth gets success factor?

 

[pjjp]

My understanding of the rule is that Naz will not be SF'ed this year, because they did not win (or make it to the championship game) the same class twice in the last four years. They won 6A in 2014 and 5A in 2015. If they win 5A this year, they will be SF'ed next year up to 6A.

 

[Cross Bones]

My understanding of the rule is that Naz will not be SF'ed this year, because they did not win (or make it to the championship game) the same class twice in the last four years. They won 6A in 2014 and 5A in 2015. If they win 5A this year, they will be SF'ed next year up to 6A.

If they make the SF threshhold in 6A this year would they then be 7A next year?

 

[pjjp]

If they make the SF threshhold in 6A this year would they then be 7A next year?

Here are the SF rules for football:

In football over four years:
1. Participated in two state championship games.
2. Starting with the 2015 season, schools would be moved up two classes from their enrollment classification if, over a four year period, the school participated in three championship games.
3. Starting with the 2016 season, schools would be moved up three classes from their enrollment classification if, over a four year period, the school participated in four championship games.
4. Schools that move up more than one class due to the implementation of the above criteria will move down one class per year until they reach their appropriate classification for their enrollment should they stop meeting the advancement criteria outlined above.

Based on the above, if Naz falls into 6A this year and makes the championship game, they would be SF'ed to 7A for the 2017 season, since they would have achieved the 6A threshold twice (2014 and 2016) in a four-year period.

http://ihsa.org/NewsMedia/Announcem...anges-Adds-Success-Advancement-Component.aspx

Another interesting scenario is this: since Naz looks to traditionally be on the 5A/6A border, if they make the championship game this year in 5A, they will achieve the criteria of being SF'ed to 6A in 2017. What if their actual 2017 classification (before the application of the SF) puts them in 6A ? Would they be SF'ed up to 7A in 2017? I don't believe so, I think they would still be in 6A in 2017.

Those above two scenarios are how I interpret the SF rule. If anyone sees it differently, post your interpretations of the rule.

 

[Cross Bones]

Need a constitutional scholar to determine what the idea behind the rule was. I think they would be multiplied up to 7A because the purpose was to move schools up from where their enrollment would place them.

 

[godfthr53]

But based on the above montini should have been bumped 2 classes and weren't.

 

[stonedlizard]

Here are the SF rules for football:

In football over four years:
1. Participated in two state championship games.
2. Starting with the 2015 season, schools would be moved up two classes from their enrollment classification if, over a four year period, the school participated in three championship games.
3. Starting with the 2016 season, schools would be moved up three classes from their enrollment classification if, over a four year period, the school participated in four championship games.
4. Schools that move up more than one class due to the implementation of the above criteria will move down one class per year until they reach their appropriate classification for their enrollment should they stop meeting the advancement criteria outlined above.

Don't think this is entirely accurate. The rule was "tweaked" later that year. From the June 16th announcement...

"In addition, on Monday, the Board approved a minor change to the “success factor.” The original policy language called for a school to be subject to the “success factor” if they won two state final trophies over a four-year period. Monday’s change will now require that one of the two trophies be won in the two most recent school years in order for a school to be subject to the 'success factor.'"

http://www.ihsa.org/NewsMedia/Annou...lier-Waiver-Success-Factor-Until-2015-16.aspx

What's funny is I can't find an actual description of the Success Factor or "Adjustment" anywhere in the By-laws. They cover the 1.65 multiplier for non-boundaried schools, but there's no mention of the success factor or how it works.

The enrollments were announced in June and clarified who would be moved up for the 16-17 school term...

http://www.ihsa.org/NewsMedia/Annou...SA-Announces-Classifications-for-2016-17.aspx

I will still say though that I'm not totally clear of the implications. If Montini were to lose in the semi's this year, believe they may drop back down to 5A in 2017 as they would have won 2 trophies in 5A trophies in the past four years, but not 1 trophy in 5A in the past two years?

Still a proponent of an open class similar to California...

 

[stonedlizard]

Scratch that - found it in the IHSA Policies & Procedures, not the same as By-laws...

"Success Adjustment

A sport or activity program at a non-boundaried school shall be subject to the success adjustment if, over the course of the last four school terms, the program has won at least two trophies in the same class, one of which must have been within the last two school years. In such a case the school will be moved up one class from the highest class in which the school has won two trophies. A school will never be adjusted up or down more than one class from one school year to the next."

 

[pjjp]

Stoned....thanks for the clarification. It would seem the two schools who could be moved up a class in 2017 are Naz and Montini. If either makes the championship game in 2016, as follows:

Naz in 5A game....up to 6A, since they will have qualified in 5A in 2015 and 2016.
Naz in 6A game....up to 7A, since they will have qualified in 6A in 2014 and 2016.
Montini in 6A game....up to 7A, since they will have qualified in 6A in 2015 and 2016.

 

[stonedlizard]

Stoned....thanks for the clarification. It would seem the two schools who could be moved up a class in 2017 are Naz and Montini. If either makes the championship game in 2016, as follows:

Naz in 5A game....up to 6A, since they will have qualified in 5A in 2015 and 2016.
Naz in 6A game....up to 7A, since they will have qualified in 6A in 2014 and 2016.
Montini in 6A game....up to 7A, since they will have qualified in 6A in 2015 and 2016.

That's my understanding as well. It also means you could see Naz win 5A, move to 6A in 2017 and Montini let's say lose in the semi's in 6A and revert to 5A in 2017. The dance continues...