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Sounds like NU is out of it for Carmody

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NJCat

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DaCat said:
LOL but not what I meant. I was wondering if Collins was/is prioritizing other recruits.
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Seriously, it sounds like it came down to NU and SU and SU won by a nose. I doubt CCC gave upon him.
 
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Fitzphile said:
Seriously, it sounds like it came down to NU and SU and SU won by a nose. I doubt CCC gave upon him.
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Totally. With BMac and Lindsey graduating, we are not backing off top guards who have us near the top of their list. This one just didn't work out. We'll still get good players. I have no doubt about that. Collins can recruit and coach, and the program is in its best shape ever.
 
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Gotta get somebody to pull the trigger. First domino needs to fall. Ayo would appear to be big game hunting. CMac off the board. Carmody off the list. I'm starting to sweat a bit. On the panic scale from 1 - 10, I'm at a solid 6. But I'm prone to overreacting.
 
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scru said:
Gotta get somebody to pull the trigger. First domino needs to fall. Ayo would appear to be big game hunting. CMac off the board. Carmody off the list. I'm starting to sweat a bit. On the panic scale from 1 - 10, I'm at a solid 6. But I'm prone to overreacting.
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fear not. good news is coming.
 
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scru said:
Gotta get somebody to pull the trigger. First domino needs to fall. Ayo would appear to be big game hunting. CMac off the board. Carmody off the list. I'm starting to sweat a bit. On the panic scale from 1 - 10, I'm at a solid 6. But I'm prone to overreacting.
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Fitzphile said:
You're right. My bad.
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Ryan chose Stanford bc NU wanted him at SG and did not promise playing time.
 
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I like our 6'4" SG a lot better than Robbie Carmody at 6'4", 175 lbs. Anthony Gaines looks like a recruit with real potential and a much more mature and developed body. There are not a lot of explosive playmaking 6'4", 175 lbs. out there that can survive the rigors of Power 5-6 Conference Basketball and take the ball to the hole with authority. Good luck to Carmody to getting minutes at ND. I wish him well. But I think it will be very tough at ND and to compete in the ACC.
 
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Walker Fan said:
I like our 6'4" SG a lot better than Robbie Carmody at 6'4", 175 lbs. Anthony Gaines looks like a recruit with real potential and a much more mature and developed body. There are not a lot of explosive playmaking 6'4", 175 lbs. out there that can survive the rigors of Power 5-6 Conference Basketball and take the ball to the hole with authority. Good luck to Carmody to getting minutes at ND. I wish him well. But I think it will be very tough at ND and to compete in the ACC.
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Think Carmody, the younger has been off NU's radar for quite awhile. I like the recruits still on the board much, much better. And it doesn't have anything to do with the name, honest.
 
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Walker Fan said:
I like our 6'4" SG a lot better than Robbie Carmody at 6'4", 175 lbs. Anthony Gaines looks like a recruit with real potential and a much more mature and developed body. There are not a lot of explosive playmaking 6'4", 175 lbs. out there that can survive the rigors of Power 5-6 Conference Basketball and take the ball to the hole with authority. Good luck to Carmody to getting minutes at ND. I wish him well. But I think it will be very tough at ND and to compete in the ACC.
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Walk, love your passion for Collins and NU hoops. But crapping on a guy who chooses to play somewhere else is just wrong. ND knows talent, just look at Brey's recent success. If RC is good enough to play at ND he'd be good enough at NU.
 
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He's more likely to be at SG if he's 175 pounds. That's not a weight to go inside with and not be slowed down by the middle of the season in B1G or ACC.
 
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willycat said:
True but 247 has him listed at 190. So maybe he'll weigh in at 178-185 a two years.
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You're missing the point. Walk was trashing a guy who elected not to attend NU, saying he was too small. A like-for-like database has the NU commit at the same size and weight. BTW, 247 had Carmody at 185 lbs. Anyway I think it is ridiculous to draw any conclusions about the physicality of a kid based on their size a year and a half before they enroll in college. Heck, 247 had Dererk Pardon at 6'7" and 185 lbs. when he committed and that turned out pretty good!
 
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Walker Fan

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No Fitzie. A PG needs to be quicker and faster so they can be lighter. It helps at SG to have a little more muscle and pounds to take pounding when you are taking the ball to the hoop.
 
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Walker Fan said:
No Fitzie. A PG needs to be quicker and faster so they can be lighter. It helps at SG to have a little more muscle and pounds to take pounding when you are taking the ball to the hoop.
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Scottie Lindsey was 6'5", 175 lbs when he committed as a SG. How'd that turn out?

Your panning of a high school Junior for being too small is just absurd. Kids grow and develop. What counts is their skill, not their adolescent size.
 
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Oh Fitzie. Way off base. Let me add some observations and some factual basis since you need some basketball education. To compete against the best of the Big 10, you need athleticism. That is the new culture at NU and BTW, it is working.

For example, if we are going to beat MSU, you need athletes. MSU has more 4 and 5 star athletes than anyone in the Big 10. Let's use a concrete example and compare Anthony Gaines v. Robbie Carmody at the 2-guard position and who has a higher ceiling like a really scout or basketball analyst should do and would make this site I lot more interesting instead of throwing out baseless opinions. From what I have read and from the brief snippets of video I have seen, people immediately describe athleticism at the top of Gaines' skill set and not Carmody. From the video and scouting website's description, strength is a major characteristic of Gaines. That is the basis for my conclusion that I like the recruitment of Gaines more than a player like Gaines over Carmody. I think Gaines is a better matchup v. an athletic high 4-star player like MSU's Langford who was a top 30 player out of high school or UM's Charles Matthews who was a top 30 player out of high school who was a top 30-50 player out of high school than Robbie Carmody. Those are the teams NU will be competing against if they want to achieve their goal of getting to the top of the Big 10. I'll put my chips with Gaines and you put yours with Carmody and let's see where our basketball evaluation skills measure up. That does not mean I am panning on Carmody, but that means I am objectively looking at the facts and making a conclusion. Next!
 
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Don't forget the game changed considerably last year with the new emphasis on not allowing hand guarding....as well as allowing freer movement. For awhile there the bulky guards were necessary. Now with the emphasis making the game less physical the skinny guys might be back ! forget the protein shakes and double up on the celery
 
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Let's look at UNC's championship. They beat Gonzaga because they had more athletes when Gonzaga's best player Zach Collins was in foul trouble the whole game who could come in off the bench like NBA first round pick 6'10" Tony Bradley. The center in the middle had an awful game versus the arthleticism of UNC.
 
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Walker Fan said:
I like our 6'4" SG a lot better than Robbie Carmody at 6'4", 175 lbs. Anthony Gaines looks like a recruit with real potential and a much more mature and developed body. There are not a lot of explosive playmaking 6'4", 175 lbs. out there that can survive the rigors of Power 5-6 Conference Basketball and take the ball to the hole with authority. Good luck to Carmody to getting minutes at ND. I wish him well. But I think it will be very tough at ND and to compete in the ACC.
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Pretty funny coming from someone who continually spouts a recruit's national ranking.

ESPN has Carmody ranked as the 74th best player in the nation and lists him at 185 lbs (so 5 lbs less than Gaines).

Now, I think Gaines may end uo being better than Carmody, but that's more due to having heard stuff about Gaines and not knowing much about Carmody, but hey, if we went solely by positions in class rankings, then Carmody should be the better player.

As for UNC, ironically they won the NC b/c they didn't have one-and done players, as the cloud hanging over the head of UNC prevented them from landing the super blue-chip players that they once also got.

Was a mix of having good talent and experience.
 
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Walker Fan

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UNC won because of a 1-8 performance performance by Gonzaga's 5th year senior Karnowski and a 2-7 performance by 5th year senior Jordan Matthews. UNC won because they got Gonzaga's best player Zach Collins in foul trouble and fouled him out after playing 14 minutes. UNC was able to win with talented big guys Kennedy Meeks (senior), Tony Bradley (freshman) and 7-8 4-star players or better who wore down Gonzaga down the stretch. So yes UNC's experience and more importantly, talent beat UNC.

As for Robbie Carmody and ND, they have recruited another 4 star SG in Prentiss Hubb so he will have competition to even get minutes in his first two seasons or more. Gaines is a late bloomer and that is why he moved from a 3-star to a 4-star player. I take the staff's view and Jon Rothstein's (cbssports college basketball expert) comment that Gaines is a talented 2 guard who can take the ball to the hole and has strong athleticism. So in that case and in many cases like McIntosh and Lindsey, players outperform their rankings. You root and watch Robbie and I will watch and root for Anthony over their careers and we will then judge who has a better career. IMHO, I think Anthony's career is on an upward trajectory and has a higher ceiling than Carmody. For example, many on this board thought a former top 100 recruit in Jaren Sina would have been fit at NU than Bryant McIntosh. You know how that turned out.
 
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