Spotify and Joe Rogan

[American Dragon]

Hmm. Have you not seen Psaki and Biden demanding Big Tech censorship since this administration has assumed power?

So what happens when big business and big government are joined at the hip and one does the bidding of the other? Say the multinational corporations’ interests align with the federal government, and more specifically, the ruling class’ interests. Protection of the establishment, and conversely punishment of dissenters is required.

Any of our esteemed scholars know the name of that political system?

Seems we’re almost, if not already there.

I thought y'all liked companies having free speech, you know the whole gay wedding cake thing and the whole allowing companies to be treated as individuals so they can make endless political donations, sorry i mean bribes, thing.

Now you want them to not have it by preventing companies from being able to regulate speech on their own platform?

If you want individuals to have freedom of speech on privately own platforms (which you don't constitutionally have), then companies can't have freedom of speech.

If you want companies to have freedom of speech on their own privately owned platforms, then individuals stand the chance of having their speech regulated on said platforms.

So which freedom of speech is it do you want? You can't have both without it being contradictory.

This is what happens when you let the conservatives on the Supreme Court place the priorities of big business over the priorities of individuals. All this would have been a non-issue had they not decided companies are individuals with the same rights as individuals, and thus given the right to freedom of speech.

 

[Bigblue2023]

I thought y'all liked companies having free speech, you know the whole gay wedding cake thing?

Now you want them to not have it by preventing companies from being able to regulate speech on their own platform?

If you want individuals to have freedom of speech on privately own platforms (which you don't constitutionally have), then companies can't have freedom of speech.

If you want companies to have freedom of speech on their own privately owned platforms, then individuals stand the chance of having their speech regulated on said platforms.

So which freedom of speech is it do you want? You can't have both without it being contradictory.

You’re dumbing it down to the point of erasing the issue. Spotify, along with other companies should absolutely have the right to decide what services they provide and to whom they provide them. Same as the cake people.

That’s not what is happening here, as Spotify is being forced through social and political pressure to regulate speech on their platform. They made their intentions clear, but the powers that be will not relent until the company bends.

It’s the cake issue in reverse. The gov’t tried to force a company to render services they did not agree with. In this case the gov’t is forcing a company to withhold services it wishes to provide.

Supporting the cake people and Spotify’s wish to provide a platform align without any level of hypocrisy.

 

[American Dragon]

You’re dumbing it down to the point of erasing the issue. Spotify, along with other companies should absolutely have the right to decide what services they provide and to whom they provide them. Same as the cake people.

That’s not what is happening here, as Spotify is being forced through social and political pressure to regulate speech on their platform. They made their intentions clear, but the powers that be will not relent until the company bends.

It’s the cake issue in reverse. The gov’t tried to force a company to render services they did not agree with. In this case the gov’t is forcing a company to withhold services it wishes to provide.

Supporting the cake people and Spotify’s wish to provide a platform align without any level of hypocrisy.

You know what happened recently?

Their stock price dropped 18% three days ago due to a poor outlook that saw them say they expect to bring in 25% less customers than what they had previously projected. Then add that to the fact that recent polling revealed 19% of Spotify users are planning to drop or have already dropped Spotify. $$$ speaks.

You know what didn't happen? The government legally forcing Spotify to do anything.

If your product is reliant on people paying for and/or using the service, and you are looking at nearly 1/5th of your users potentially leaving AFTER revealing a disappointing growth forecast, you're not doing something right.

Don't like it? Find a new business model then.

 

[Bigblue2023]

You know what happened recently?

Their stock price dropped 18% three days ago
Recent polling revealed 19% of Spotify users are planning to drop or have already dropped Spotify. $$$ speaks.

If your product is reliant on people paying for and/or using the service, and you are looking at nearly 1/5th of your users potentially leaving, you're not doing something right.

Don't like it? Find a new business model then.

That’s the political mob attacking the company trying to force change. There is absolutely nothing organic about that.

Another thing is that will absolutely not last. 19% will not cancel, and a hefty % will return shortly after cancelling.

The stock drop is nothing more than a short term buying opportunity, and trust me, I’ve put my money where my mouth is on that.

 

[Nightwish84]

Rogan had Dr. Robert Epstein on a couple weeks ago to talk about the danger of big tech, and now an organization led by a former Ellen Degeneres staffer is leading the charge to take down Rogan. The same Ellen who somehow landed the one and only interview with the Las Vegas massacre security guard before he disappeared off the planet. Coincidence probably.

Ha, Bill is wrapped up in an Ellen Degeneres conspiracy.

 

[Bigblue2023]

You know what happened recently?

Their stock price dropped 18% three days ago due to a poor outlook that saw them say they expect to bring in 25% less customers than what they had previously projected. Then add that to the fact that recent polling revealed 19% of Spotify users are planning to drop or have already dropped Spotify. $$$ speaks.

You know what didn't happen? The government legally forcing Spotify to do anything.

If your product is reliant on people paying for and/or using the service, and you are looking at nearly 1/5th of your users potentially leaving AFTER revealing a disappointing growth forecast, you're not doing something right.

Don't like it? Find a new business model then.

This also shows a poor understanding of market forces. The big drop came 3 days ago as Facebook/meta collapsed on earnings. This brought the whole sector down, including Spotify and snap.

You’re using something unrelated to try and prove a point about your sjw movement.

 

[American Dragon]

That’s the political mob attacking the company trying to force change. There is absolutely nothing organic about that.

Another thing is that will absolutely not last. 19% will not cancel, and a hefty % will return shortly after cancelling.

The stock drop is nothing more than a short term buying opportunity, and trust me, I’ve put my money where my mouth is on that.

lol, and yet you supported the traitorous political mob on January 6 that tried to overthrow the election.

What's next, trying to get Spotify banned because they are spewing out critical race theory according to some nutcase that doesn't even know what CRT is??

 

[Bigblue2023]

lol, and yet you supported the traitorous political mob on January 6 that tried to overthrow the election.

Hello strawman…

 

[phunterd]

I thought y'all liked companies having free speech, you know the whole gay wedding cake thing and the whole allowing companies to be treated as individuals so they can make endless political donations, sorry i mean bribes, thing.

Now you want them to not have it by preventing companies from being able to regulate speech on their own platform?

If you want individuals to have freedom of speech on privately own platforms (which you don't constitutionally have), then companies can't have freedom of speech.

If you want companies to have freedom of speech on their own privately owned platforms, then individuals stand the chance of having their speech regulated on said platforms.

So which freedom of speech is it do you want? You can't have both without it being contradictory.

This is what happens when you let the conservatives on the Supreme Court place the priorities of big business over the priorities of individuals. All this would have been a non-issue had they not decided companies are individuals with the same rights as individuals, and thus given the right to freedom of speech.

Uh yes, you can have both without it being contradictory.

A company allowing or disallowing speech on its platform that aligns with its beliefs is fine.

Companies acting in conjunction with, or under pressure from, government agencies to censor political dissidents is not fine.

The wedding cake analogy is also an awful one considering it’s a matter of compelling someone to do an action (i.e. force) that violates their beliefs. It’s much more than a freedom of speech issue.

 

[JoeSwag]

My clown shoes make more in one quarter than your yokel *** makes in 3 years lol

Oooh, quite impressive since you’re so oppressed.

 

[American Dragon]

Uh yes, you can have both without it being contradictory.

A company allowing or disallowing speech on its platform that aligns with its beliefs is fine.

Companies acting in conjunction with, or under pressure from, government agencies to censor political dissidents is not fine.

The wedding cake analogy is also an awful one considering it’s a matter of compelling someone to do an action (i.e. force) that violates their beliefs. It’s much more than a freedom of speech issue.

And what political agency has passed any laws, regulations, or fines that forced Spotify to do this?

 

[Bigblue2023]

lol, and yet you supported the traitorous political mob on January 6 that tried to overthrow the election.

What's next, trying to get Spotify banned because they are spewing out critical race theory according to some nutcase that doesn't even know what CRT is??

This is a horrible attempt at deflection in a debate you’ve been soundly defeated. I’ll entertain this post and your many edits though.

I don’t support anyone storming the capitol. I didn’t agree when Libs did it during the trump presidency and I didn’t support those who did it this time. I absolutely think we are being lied to regarding the severity of it though and those held in isolation for lengthy periods of time without due process are political prisoners.

As far as the ban Spotify for CRT, that’s a nonsensical argument that literally no one is making. You’ve derailed on that one skippy.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Oooh, quite impressive since you’re so oppressed.

“How can you hear the pain Black people are going through and dismiss it as nothing,” Burrow said in a tweet Thursday. “How can you hear the pain and respond with anything other than “I stand with you.” - Joe Burrow Although I will be cheering on my Rams I love your QB.

 

[Ron Mehico]

“How can you hear the pain Black people are going through and dismiss it as nothing,” Burrow said in a tweet Thursday. “How can you hear the pain and respond with anything other than “I stand with you.” - Joe Burrow Although I will be cheering on my Rams I love your QB.

What is it youre arguing? That anyone that disagrees with you is a racist that is poorer than you?

 

[DaBossIsBack]

What is it youre arguing? That anyone that disagrees with you is a racist that is poorer than you?

I think I was pretty clear in my original response.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I think I was pretty clear in my original response.

Ya I suppose you were, he was saying that big corporations are bending to the liberals agenda and you were saying that all conservatives are racists, hate homosexuals, and dislike foreigners. Overall a pretty good summation of politics I would think.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Hilarious that this has become a political left takedown attempt…and Rogan’s favorite politicians of recent times are Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard.

The dude is basically a liberal hippy on all but a few topics. If you spend any time watching him, it’s pretty easy to see he’s a good guy. Guess allowing other commentary on covid was too much for some to handle.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Ya I suppose you were, he was saying that big corporations are bending to the liberals agenda and you were saying that all conservatives are racists, hate homosexuals, and dislike foreigners. Overall a pretty good summation of politics I would think.

Correct.

 

[mrhotdice]

Actually majority of my neighbors are black, interracial, Hispanic, etc. But that comes with living in one of the largest most diverse cities in America

What’s the murder rate?

 

[DaBossIsBack]

What’s the murder rate?

No clue.

 

[IdaCat]

Or you guys could just not be racist xenophobic homophobes

Thanks for proving my point.

Hey democrats, if you still care about the future of our country, come take out your trash. Or continue to sit back and let morons like this guy destroy it for all of us. I've just about lost hope for you all.

 

[Bigblue2023]

No clue.

Waiting to hear that huge quarterly salary boss…

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Thanks for proving my point.

Hey democrats, if you still care about the future of our country, come take out your trash. Or continue to sit back and let morons like this guy destroy it for all of us. I've just about lost hope for you all.

I’m more than willing to burn it down if it means banishing Y’all Qaeda and Vanilla ISIS from society at large.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Waiting to hear that huge quarterly salary boss…

Keep waiting Y’all Qaeda

 

[IdaCat]

I’m more than willing to burn it down if it means banishing Y’all Qaeda and Vanilla ISIS from society at large.

Yes, I know. You've already done that with support from your leaders.

Where are you democrats? Are you all radicals like this guy?

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Yes, I know. You've already done that with support from your leaders.

Where are you democrats? Are you all radicals like this guy?

I’m sure you think Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Pedo Joe are radicals too lol Americans are hilarious

 

[IdaCat]

I’m sure you think Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Pedo Joe are radicals too lol Americans are hilarious

You're trying to get this thread shut down, just like Rogan.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

You're trying to get this thread shut down, just like Rogan.

That’s what we do best. Welcome to the new age.

 

[Bigblue2023]

Keep waiting Y’all Qaeda

Enjoy that double wide sport

 

[DaBossIsBack]

I’ll send ya a post card from Paris

 

[WonderBraa]

I have a belly button

 

[Bigblue2023]

Ya I suppose you were, he was saying that big corporations are bending to the liberals agenda and you were saying that all conservatives are racists, hate homosexuals, and dislike foreigners. Overall a pretty good summation of politics I would think.

The guy is pure troll. He doesn’t attempt to make a coherent point or argument, just stir the pot. Easy ignore

 

[Bigblue2023]

I’ll send ya a post card from Paris

The arrogance would make a lot of sense if you’re French.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

The arrogance would make a lot of sense if you’re French.

World traveler. But you wouldn’t know anything about that Vanilla ISIS.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

The arrogance would make a lot of sense if you’re French.

Also I’m from the wildcatchat days. I’ve been around these boards probably longer than you have been alive. I just popped in to see how you yokels were holding up after your messiah got the boot. Not good it appears lol

 

[Bigblue2023]

World traveler. But you wouldn’t know anything about that Vanilla ISIS.

Haha, I literally travel all over the world for a living.

You’ve really got me pinned down…

 

[Bigblue2023]

Also I’m from the wildcatchat days. I’ve been around these boards probably longer than you have been alive. I just popped in to see how you yokels were holding up after your messiah got the boot. Not good it appears lol

I have as well actually. Your life must not be too fulfilling if you’re mixing it up with us lowlifes

 

[Ron Mehico]

The guy is pure troll. He doesn’t attempt to make a coherent point or argument, just stir the pot. Easy ignore

Just sad that politics truly cons people into thinking the other “side” is evil. From both parties. Divisive and just makes political figures more powerful. We’re all Americans wanting a better world to live in that sometimes disagree on how to do it. But you could be right, he might just be a bored troll trying to get the thread locked - which based on this page might seem the most likely.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

I have as well actually. Your life must not be too fulfilling if you’re mixing it up with us lowlifes

Bro this is literally the first weekend I’ve posted in years lol I couldn’t even remember my name lol I was trying to enter my name from the aughts