You got all that from 1 match? Wow. You're good.
Sr Worlds results/discussion
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Glad to see Snyder channel the prostitution sting into another World Championship. All the pressure is gone now. He must feel great!
Also, I'm really happy for Real Woods and Hidlay. Not many gave them a chance at a medal. Good for them!
Also, I'm really happy for Real Woods and Hidlay. Not many gave them a chance at a medal. Good for them!
I've watched every match he's wrestled since coming to Iowa and yes, he was a shell of himself in that match compared even to his run at Paris last year. He was physically overmatched and I don't see that being something he can fix at this point given his injury history.
I wish he could've been pulled into repechage so we would've seen at least one more match from him this tournament to see how he bounced back. I'm not ready to make such a grand declaration that he's washed based on one match at the freaking World Championships
Every American needs to work on finishing Sidakov. Hate that f-ing guy.
I never said washed but to be physically dominated by a guy like that isn't a fluke. I'll ask it like this, given what we saw, do you think he's more or less likely to win a world or Olympic gold in the future than he was at Paris and Zagreb? I just don't know what he's going to be able to do differently in the future given his injury history and what appears to be a worsening gas tank.
I'm not bashing Spencer, he's an all time great and on my mount Rushmore of Iowa wrestlers.
Just having an honest discussion about where he goes from here.
Snyder is getting laid tonight ........
Although uncertain if he will be paying for it or not
But we've seen him lay eggs before. Last one was in 2023 NCAA Semis. The Cornell guys didn't make the team. Snyder has lost to guys not named Sadulaev. Dake got teched in the 2021 Olympics. Won the world title a few months later. David Taylor didn't even make his first world team until he was 27 in 2018 (SL is 26). He was behind 3 Americans until they expanded the weights. Nobody argued that he was washed or should move RTCs.
I don't think he's necessarily more likely or even less likely. I'm not making judgment based on one match in the toughest tournament of the year against a game opponent who really let the fur fly.
If Spencer wrestled in repechage and got dominated in a similar fashion then maybe it's more worthy of a discussion. But even then we can remember that Burroughs got teched in repechage in Rio by a guy he should've had no problem with, and still came back to win worlds the next year.
Bad matches happen, for everyone. It sucks and I feel terrible for Spencer here but it doesn't make me any less optimistic for his chances in 2028
Nor did I say he was washed or should move RTCs. Never said either.
Yes those guys mentioned all made big jumps late in their careers. But none had at least 3 ACL repairs and a problematic gas tank. Taylor and Dake have always been physical freaks.
I'd love to see Lee go on a run like these 3 have, I just don't know how he's going to do so physically.
Speaking of big jumps… It’s nice seeing Real Woods make improvements and medal. I read some doubters earlier who didn’t give him much of a chance.
Never said he looked great. I just don't overreact to 1 bad outing. I don't live and die by how the Hawks do, though.You're right... he looked great
All he does is win in the last seconds against Americans. Despite him beating Americans, you have to respect the clutch gene...while hating that our guys don't have it.
There's a monumental gap between being physically able to make the necessary improvements to WIN worlds or the Olympics and being washed. Quit being a douche. You said washed, not me.
I've never used the term washed, other than in response to you using it. When someone is physically unable to compete, are they not washed? Maybe my understanding of the word washed is off? Or, it could be that you overreacted and now you're trying to walk it back without admitting you overreacted.
Totally agree.
Below is an excerpt from a FLO Interview from four weeks ago
At 8:35 Interviewer: "How full would you say that your arsenal is right now, what you fell like you can go our right now and hit?"
Spencer: "Well that's kind of a funny thing to say because I feel like in practice I can do just about anything but then I get into a match and I have like two shots. I feel like I should open up a little bit more and show what I'm capable of a little bit more. I mean one of the things that I said at Final X was "just go watch me practice". You know I think that I'm a way different wrestler and I think that's frustrating to be a better practice wrestler than an competition wrestler. When I feel like in the past I always said that I'm always going to be a better in a match and I feel like it's kind of swapped for me and I need to find a way to be more open out on the mat."
When I heard that interview, I thought that the last sentence was definitely concerning. Although he looked fantastic in the practice video, the fact that Spencer was trying "find a way" suggested that his mind/body connection was not in the right place on the eve of the competition.
Within the last year, Spencer stuck Gilman at the very end of their second match, came from behind to beat Wanhao Zou at the Last Chance Qualifier and was totally equal to the energy of Higuchi and Ono in very fast paced matches. So unless he was overtrained for this event (which I find impossible to believe) stamina was not the issue.
Elsewhere in the interview Spencer says that the thing that Tom says to him most in practice is "stop thinking, just do" No doubt that is correct. Hopefully he will find a way to do it.
My opinion. YMMV
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I never said physically unable to compete either. If you want to discuss this cool, but if your thing is to misrepresent people's posts to troll then take a hike.
I said he was physically dominated in the match, and it appears his physical limitations are going to make improving difficult. I'm done engaging with you so long as you keep misrepresenting my posts.
Good stuff here from Real. Great rep for the USA.
It's not an opinion moron. Reading comprehension, have a 3rd grader from Iowa explain it to you if you happen to see one in Happy Valley down the road. Got it? Good luck, having a feeling you and your other PSU moron roommate are gonna need it.
She's on that Kyle dake micro biome reset treatment plan
I may have interpreted what you typed incorrectly; my bad. My point still stands that I think you're having a gross overreaction to a bad match against a multiple-time world medalist.
I decided to google the term : "washed definition in sports." This is what it gave me: "a player who is no longer performing at their peak level, having declined from their former skill or ability, often due to age, but sometimes due to other factors like burnout or physical problems."
Helen wins gold! She got the clutch TD with an inside trip in the final seconds trailing 1-2, wins 3-2. That makes 11 world and Olympic medals now! 
Cool to see Sarah Hildebrand in her corner as well.
Cool to see Sarah Hildebrand in her corner as well.
Helen gets a short time td to win 3-2
World champ
World champ
Interesting. I've always seen and heard it used to describe someone well past their prime to the point they're no longer relevant and need to just call it quits. I certainly don't see Lee at that point but I am concerned his best days may be behind him.
I did not want to be the one to say this, but since you have opened it up, he looks slow and like he has cement blocks on his feet. I remember him being much more fluid earlier in his career. He kind of plodded around, in my opinion. I am not sure if it is injury related or mental, but I remember him being quick and explosive and almost graceful.
I think the best cure for that is to have him wrestle me. He would look lightning fast and like a million bucks against me.
Lets not forget the shoulder surgery he had early in his career also.. The guy has been put thru incredible tests. He is definitely an amazing athlete and person.
Thanks Perry Mason. You PEDu folks rest a lot of cases, you just don't win any of them.
