Rich did his best with a strong first team offense and defense. There wasn't much in the two deep, but he managed 7-5 several times and, more importantly, set the positive momentum for the future. Joker's turn while deserved was tragic for once again setting back the program at least five years.
Stoops should get 6-7 years almost no matter what.
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I'll be honest....after curry we brought in mumme (valdosta, ga) he has been the only coach who brought us a fresh approach and exciting!!! I know what happened after, but even the Commonwealth was putting brooks on the chopping block until the GA game in 2006. My point being, Stoops comes from a family lineage of solid football coaches, give the man time.....
I don't think it's Stoops but the staff that was around him. We now have 5 new coaches that are developing this team. Four of the five have come from good programs and they have a lot of experience. I expect these guys to have more of a handle on the team and the day-to-day duties and Gameday management. Stoops decides to replace another couple of coaches this next offseason I expect him to go for guys very similar to Grand and Hinshaw or Thomas the coaches that are like that his new hires have revealed that much. The New linebackers coach used to be a DC at Pittsburgh that is a very welcome addition. he is not trying to go after coaches who come from schools like North Texas, Troy via High School, or junior colleges all that is a joke no more of that BS
He probably will get that amount of time unless the fans revolt like they did with Joker. All he has to do is win 6 games this year and he definitely gets a 6th year IMO as year 5 won't get him fired if he gets to a bowl this coming season.
We could have given Joker Phillips 50 years and he would have still been a disaster. And unfortunately the lack of organization and the major in-game mistakes are signs that point more towards a Joker Phillips than a Nick Saban. And I am not a big advocate of the idea that things can't be turned around in 4 years. Just look at the two coaches who were most talked about as possible options when Stoops was hired. Petrino and Stoops have both had much more success than our current coach, and in the case of Leach he went into one of the worst situations in the P5.
Pure BS. 17 is the year, and everyone with a brain (and without an agenda) knows it.
But since that IS the situation and he WILL be here through 17 (and probably a lot longer, I hope), why not wait until he does fail instead of trying to hurt recruiting with all your negativity now-------isn't that all you can possibly accomplish------or is that all you know??
The OPs lead is misleading, but very correct, he should get six but that is a given that he will get six, but the seventh is not a given at all, he is going to have to have more than a six win bowl win minimum in 17 for me to be happy with the 17 season. We need at least six wins this year and I think we get it, in 17 I expect much more, and if not in 17 then I expect a couple of more assistant coach changes even if we barely go bowling..
But I think I will be happy, what exactly do we lose from our team in 16 that hasn't already been replaced on offense, not sure about the D yet, but it will be much better IMO.
Rome was not built in one day.
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Petrino was NOT an option to many fans AND the University. We are first of all a a STATE UNIVERSITY, not a city school.
And I think Stoops has had exactly the same success as, well Stoops.
I myself liked Leach, but then I'm not the AD, if I was the football program wouldn't have been starved to death for over a decade. Guaranteed.
In looking at that game it appeard the offense wasn't cut loose until the 4th quarter. I think Stoops learned a lesson as well, don't talk about playing backups before a game regardless of who you're playing.
Like someone said above 5-7 is OK this year if the team looks organized and motivated. No more intentionally dropping passes or pouting if you aren't getting enough carries. To be honest at least Joker's teams, while not very talented , at least looked like they had a clue as to what they were trying to do.
Looking forward to seeing the impact of the new assistant coaches that have come in. Especially on the offense side. Though only words at this point, I like what I have heard from Gran. Problem is if he does well, he will be gone. I can see him as a head coach soon should he succeed at UK. Fingers are crossed for turning the corner this season.
Curry, Curry, Bill Curry-------sounds familiar.
Isn't he the one that started at Georgia Tech and after a winless record got them to a bowl game, improving their record each year, and that set them up to win a NC three years after he left?
And didn't Bama hire him from there, dummies thought he was good (or maybe no one else wanted the job?), and didn't he impreve their record every year he was there, with a ONE regular season loss his last year? But, alas, that loss was to Auburn (great program then), so no way he could stay there. And, surely just a coincidence, but didn't Bama also win a NC just three years after he left?
Coach of the year in two major conferences, and one National COY.
But then he came to UK, that restricted who he could hire, and where the AD has been basketball only for decades, and he flopped-------he was just like all the other coaches that UK hired, unable to win with the support he was given (without cheating)-------and Brooks and Joker had among the worst support from UK EVER.
Isn't he the one that started at Georgia Tech and after a winless record got them to a bowl game, improving their record each year, and that set them up to win a NC three years after he left?
And didn't Bama hire him from there, dummies thought he was good (or maybe no one else wanted the job?), and didn't he impreve their record every year he was there, with a ONE regular season loss his last year? But, alas, that loss was to Auburn (great program then), so no way he could stay there. And, surely just a coincidence, but didn't Bama also win a NC just three years after he left?
Coach of the year in two major conferences, and one National COY.
But then he came to UK, that restricted who he could hire, and where the AD has been basketball only for decades, and he flopped-------he was just like all the other coaches that UK hired, unable to win with the support he was given (without cheating)-------and Brooks and Joker had among the worst support from UK EVER.
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Curry recruited some very good talent to UK. Of course there was no internet back then to tell you exactly how good, but it was good. FWIW, I believe his lack of success at UK was due mainly to his personal lack of a "how the game should be played" philosophy. By that I mean he turned everything over to his coordinators and was mainly a "keep the morale up" kind of HC. In sharp contrast, Howard Schnellenberger had 3 OCs in his 10 years and you absolutely could not tell the difference in the offense based on what they did. Always a 2 back, pro style game. IOW, he gave the OCs a "playbook" and said "this is who we are". JMO (about Curry).
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Barnhart isn't a football fan, that's been established. Not a good start.
Rich Brooks was a good coach, but not great. The best conference record he ever accomplished was 4-4, and only once. To say you want to go back to those 'level's is to seek mediocrity.
To argue that UK fans expect a quick turnaround in football is insulting and garbage. UK fans have been waiting, as you point out to your own self-contradiction, FIFTY YEARS for a winning team. The problem is that other also-rans in the SEC have experienced rather quick turnarounds: MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, and others. That leaves UK football with no excuse not to do it in less than 5 years. If CMS didn't have a trillion-dollar lifetime extension thanks to idiot Barnhart, there'd be more pressure on him to adapt and get better or quit. As it is, he'll be with us virtually for the rest of our lives, whether he delivers or not.
Pretty good theory, and it fits in with what I had read about the administration not letting Curry hire the assistant coaches he wanted, I think Howard turned downt the job because they wouldn't give him the control of the program he wanted.
We need success THIS year. We aren't building Rome, we need to beat hapless Vandy. You guys are so pussified to expect and demand WINS.
There will be a half-empty stadium by Midnight Madness, if not. No buzz, cept the **** flies. The recruiting will flip.
We have seen the script.
The entire regime success, IMHO, is riding on the success of the DLine. If everyone runs on us, the wheels will come off quickly.
I don't want to start a urinating contest but I am curious about why you (and a number of others) think 2017 is THE year...especially if it is not preceded by a relatively successful (i.e., 6 win season) THIS year? Barring a catastrophic wave of injuries I just don't see how some people can rationalize and "accept" 5 wins this season as a harbinger of a "big" year in 2017. And what W/L record would it take to call 2017 as THE year? Don't tell me a 6 or 7 win season. IMO, that is simply too low a bar. There were 70 FBS teams that won 7 or more games last season (counting bowl games). Just my opinion here but if 2017 is going to be THE year, I think you need to see clear cut on the field evidence of same this year.
Maybe I am making too much of it but I am inclined to think there is HUGE difference between winning 5 or winning 6 THIS year. Winning 6 is clearly upward but winning only 5 extends mediocrity. And, by and large, returnees don't make a team successful in the future, returnees from a successful team is what makes a team successful in the future. I'll say again, winning 6 games and going to a bowl is absolutely not too much to expect in 2016. And failing to do so will suck a lot of air out of the balloon. JMO
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You very well might have an agenda as a card fan idk but I agree with what you are saying!