Stoops will not fire any Coaches
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I think oline coach will be replaced. In order to get ticket renewals they have to do something.
Special Teams Coach has to go.
If he trots this same bunch out here next year and they have the same type of inept performances as we have seen this year, we will have a Joker style fan revolt on our hands. Stoops knows this. He's being paid $3 M a year to run a team, not to keep a social network of friends in cushy jobs. He'll step up and make changes.
So you think he will fire Eliot? I guarantee he won't. It will be shocking to Meir anyone is let go
O line coach has to go period! He actually needs to resign after what his line looked like this season!
Elliot was a good line coach and seems to be a good guy but he is in way over his head with this defense. I could point to many things that occurred this year that underline that but the most glaring example was this game. How in the world do you let the opposing QB keep running virtually the same play over and over, where he is getting chunk yardage nearly ever time for an entire half and NEVER make any sort of adjustments? You just can't win football games when you can't coach any better than that.
I know those two go back a long way but Stoops must know better than anyone that he has a big problem on his hands with this defense and he better get it solved or he won't be here in 2017. Ultimately his job and the team in general will be higher valued than his friendship with DJ.
Contrary to popular beliefs or what's beings stated to the media at this moment, there will be coaching changes made at UK. This year alone, $180+ millions have been invested in the UK football program. With that thought in mind, it is more likely to "Mark it down" that UK will be forced to make some coaching changes.
if he dosent make some changes he wont be around the following year,Oline was rellay bad all year,needs a special teams coach, off cord was just as bad
He is going to have to shed some dead wood after this season. I think that is what he and Mitch will arrive at as the only means to generate something to sell going into next season... hope built on the idea that we might actually have a staff that can position coach and coordinate, even if he is still trying to figure out how to maintain his composure long enough to play chess.
Mostly, I want to see Schlarman and Scott out, though I am not sure how that will play politically. The OL has potential, but I do not think it will be realized under Schlarman's tutelage. Ultimately, I think all that really ails this team starts with a VERY poor OL.
Scott seems more like a recruiter and cheerleader. I was sick of Boom running E-W a long time ago, though that seems to be getting corrected a bit lately. Horton must hold on to the ball given the manner in which he is being utilized and getting his last 2-3 yards. That should have been established with him right from the start. Anyway, Kemp seems to have arrived knowing what a RB is supposed to be doing with the ball in his hands, while everyone else seems to be waiting for someone to explain.
Dawson might look a lot better with a better OL from which to build the unit, and I can't see scuttling that hire after one year.
The only person I consider terribly suspect on the D side of the ball is the adopted son, Eliot, so there is no point in even critiquing him. The truth is, if you don't like the D calls, look at CMS. I am pretty sure Eliot has about as much independence right now as Dawson had under Holgerson. It isn't that I think Eliot is bad, but that I am not sure he really adds anything to the mix... he is a student driver still.
Finally, someone (Buh?) might have to be cut adrift so we can bring in a dedicated, effective, ST coordinator. I really think he is going to conclude that was an experiment to be abandoned.
Mostly, I want to see Schlarman and Scott out, though I am not sure how that will play politically. The OL has potential, but I do not think it will be realized under Schlarman's tutelage. Ultimately, I think all that really ails this team starts with a VERY poor OL.
Scott seems more like a recruiter and cheerleader. I was sick of Boom running E-W a long time ago, though that seems to be getting corrected a bit lately. Horton must hold on to the ball given the manner in which he is being utilized and getting his last 2-3 yards. That should have been established with him right from the start. Anyway, Kemp seems to have arrived knowing what a RB is supposed to be doing with the ball in his hands, while everyone else seems to be waiting for someone to explain.
Dawson might look a lot better with a better OL from which to build the unit, and I can't see scuttling that hire after one year.
The only person I consider terribly suspect on the D side of the ball is the adopted son, Eliot, so there is no point in even critiquing him. The truth is, if you don't like the D calls, look at CMS. I am pretty sure Eliot has about as much independence right now as Dawson had under Holgerson. It isn't that I think Eliot is bad, but that I am not sure he really adds anything to the mix... he is a student driver still.
Finally, someone (Buh?) might have to be cut adrift so we can bring in a dedicated, effective, ST coordinator. I really think he is going to conclude that was an experiment to be abandoned.
Why MS holds all the cards...MB because of his on bad judgment set himself up
I don't think this is true, simply because Stoops is business-savvy enough to know that he needs a scapegoat to make everyone feel better and to keep the heat off of him to a degree. I promise you he'll fire someone because he's going to need a scapegoat. After he makes the fire our fans will start to place the blame on the fired coach and Stoops will continue to spout the coach speak about improvements in the offseason that we've grown accustomed to. We saw the exact same stuff last season when Neal Brown went to Troy..all of our genius fans placed every single thing that went wrong last year on Brown and made Dawson out to be Chip Kelly. I guarantee you one thing, if Neal Brown were still our offensive coordinator we would have at least two more wins this year. Dude had significantly less talent and experience to work with than Dawson yet put up big point totals on a lot of good defenses. He has to be sitting somewhere smiling right now.
Dawson is the one that needs to go. John Schlarmann is a good coach regardless of what you FB geniuses think. He is being put in a terrible situation with terrible personnel and being put in precarious and can't win situations by our OC. He is out of his league, ask around, talk to players and see what they all think of John, he is playing with 2 hands behind his back, one with personnel and one with an OC that has never called plays on this level until this year.
I would rid Dawson and hope he leaves on own merit and gets another job, I would threaten and tell him I am pulling your play calling duties so either way you need to find a spot somewhere.
Schlarmann is not going to be fired because he is key on all the Army AA guys this year and juco AA OT, he is tight with Willis. Stoops is not going to rid him. This is all on the OC.
Anyone remember the Hal Mumme Air Raid, did Dawson's offense look anything like that, it looked like a bad veer offense team of 1979 with a 4'9 forty guy running it. It is a disgrace and he has put that team and offense in terrible positions, run on first, read play on second, throw incomplete on 3rd and 6. Just awful QB play.
Hal had some pretty bad OL's but he formulated game plans that they didn't get hit. This is a GD mess of mismatch Dawson offense.
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I would rid Dawson and hope he leaves on own merit and gets another job, I would threaten and tell him I am pulling your play calling duties so either way you need to find a spot somewhere.
Schlarmann is not going to be fired because he is key on all the Army AA guys this year and juco AA OT, he is tight with Willis. Stoops is not going to rid him. This is all on the OC.
Anyone remember the Hal Mumme Air Raid, did Dawson's offense look anything like that, it looked like a bad veer offense team of 1979 with a 4'9 forty guy running it. It is a disgrace and he has put that team and offense in terrible positions, run on first, read play on second, throw incomplete on 3rd and 6. Just awful QB play.
Hal had some pretty bad OL's but he formulated game plans that they didn't get hit. This is a GD mess of mismatch Dawson offense.
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why would Brown be smiling? he's a UK guy that left for an opportunity. Why would he smile at our failure???
nothing like needing new staff in an offseason that will have record # of changes of high profile coaching jobs. NO ONE of any known potential will commit to UK until all those new vacancies are filled up. this means our changes will come very late and likely be more iffy hires of unprovens.
Please provide some evidence John Schlarmman is a good coach .
If he doesn't make changes, will the season ticket holders continue to pay? I let mine go under joker & thought it may be time to renew at the beginning of the yr but glad I didn't. Will we see the empty seats & then Barney use his "microwave" comments again? I think if changes aren't made & same type performances to start the yr, he then becomes the second coming of joker & completely loses the entire fan base.
That OL is not Sun Belt average. They are terrible from LT to RT, they have some young guys that will be ok, the true frosh is going to be player. These stud guys he signed the first class until this past class are not good. None have panned out.
I have talked to guys who coached there and some who coached the OL and they say John is excellent coach but his unit is not being helped out, we needed flares to Running backs, we needed WR's screens. We need to do more to help out this OL.
I will say that none that I have spoken with are giving favorable marks to Dawson. Play calling too predictable, too many 3rd and long, in fact was mentioned that UK is at bottom of having more 3rd and long more than 5+ yards, is that OL coach or is that a piss poor plan and putting your team in a terrible spot.
Dawson is running veer air raid, he has two slow QB's, he is running routes 15-20 yards down field, he needs to do like Hal and most Air Raid offenses, run the flares to backs, draws, Isolations with spread formations, get your guys on LB's and safeties. Dawson is trying to run the read option/veer, throwing 20 yard posts, and deep curls. That is why it's not OL fault. We run first play or throw incomplete pass, run for nothing, 3rd and 9. Yeah our OL coach is at fault, this is a scheme problem that Dawson who by the way has never called plays before this year. He is at fault.
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Really, $4m??? For what this group is putting on the field. That is crazy. I guess I hadn't paid that much attention to the extension last year.
$4 MILLION Dollars, as Dr Evil would say....
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I didn't catch it again. but how many pts was it that the offense scored again the second half...folks with all due respect you need to watch more cfb...the teams that are winning are doing it with 80-90% of it being because they are scoring 30+ pts a game...thus isn't your grandpa's football...we were out scored 31- 0 the secondhalf, but Stoops somehow can't seem to understand that
Your making a huge assumption defensee that UK has the players who can stop that play no matter if they know it is coming. IMHO, UK main needs are defensive lineman, offensive lineman, and a consistent QB. And I still say that the time frame for those players is 5-7 years of solid recruiting. No quick fix when it comes to lineman.
Good lord man, go back and watch the game. We had ends repeatedly making the wrong decision and then when they actually were in the right position made little or no effort to get off a block and get to the ball carrier. Some of the runs by Jackson including the last TD run my grandmother could have made. No one even put a hand on him - and that was a red zone defense - a compressed field where safeties can play further up! Just Unbelievably incompetent.
An inept offense is not an excuse for a porous defense.
And I would submit that some teams like Boston College win purely on defense while others like Texas Tech win purely on offense, but most teams need a measure of both to be successful. Unfortunately we exhibited neither.
BTW my Direct Geni can record 5 games simultaneous so I watch over 300 college football games a year.
Agreed. Watching them run the read over and over again was just embarrassing. I dont know that Stoops will fire anyone. Some may "leave for other jobs". Otherwise, I think he'll take over total defensive playcalling. He knows he cant afford to hitch his train to someone whos fallen so flat in certain situations.
JS has been the lead recruiter on these players, has he not? Either he is poor at scouting or poor at developing.
You are correct though that his relationship with the signees and Wills may save him.
He was not lead recruiter on all those Ohio OL, he recruited them with lead recruiter Marrow. He recruited Stallings with N. Brown so no he is not the lead recruiter on all those OL, he is along with primary recruiter because of position he coaches just like the other guys on staff. Ansley recruits DB's in Ohio recruits with Marrow etc..
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Elliot has been the one I've been screaming about all season. I think Stoops needs to drop him like a bad habit, and take over the full time defensive play calling himself, It really helped Vandy this season with Mason doing the defensive calls and dropping the D-cord. Stoops is too good of a D-cord. to not be calling the plays. He has showed that at more places than one. The man knows defense and he needs to grab the bull by the horns if he wants to keep his job for the long term and take it over completely.
And for the love of all that is good and holy find an actual Special Teams coach that has actually coached it and had success.
And for the love of all that is good and holy find an actual Special Teams coach that has actually coached it and had success.
You mean the same Brown who went 3-8 this year at Troy and did not put up very good numbers there. Let's not change history when he was here but it was not like we were an offensive juggernaut while he was here, and because of him we are stuck with Charmin as a coach for the oline. If he wants to help UK he needs to take his oline coach to Troy with him.
If Stoops dosent make any changes,then he dosent care about having a winning team at UK,he knows he locked in for at least 2 more years,then he can take his buy out an live like a king
If CMS doesn't want to cut ties with DJ then he needs to "reassign" him...in addition to coaching LB give him a larger recruiting role and/or "defensive special teams"...and bring in an experienced DC...
I think CMS needs to coach the secondary...
I think CMS needs to coach the secondary...
Okay after reading all that.... It wouldn't surprise me at all... Some might leave for greener pastures but you could be spot-on about none getting fired... Could be the ole "bird in hand" thingy... Maybe he can't find or can't get better than what is there:scream: