Stop watching Fox...watch this instead

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Especially for Trump supporters. You all realize Fox didn't even cover Trump's visit to East Palestine Ohio? Newsmax did. I don't have time to watch T-V, but you can stream this (for free) right on your device which I sometimes do while at work in my office. The content is very good...it's of course center Right...but still very informative.
 

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Not a fan of Trump and only way I vote for him is if he wins the nomination. No way in hell will I vote for the snake oil salesmen in the far left liberal Marxist.

But this news link is good.
 

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Not a fan of Trump and only way I vote for him is if he wins the nomination. No way in hell will I vote for the snake oil salesmen in the far left liberal Marxist.

But this news link is good.
Yeah I was checking it out the other day when most media ignored Trump's visit to East Palestine and I thought the presentation was thorough and informative despite being slanted right. I watched a little of it the other day and came away impressed with their presentation as well as their content. It's a decent alternative to the corporate propaganda media which unfortunately Fox has now become part of.
 

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Especially for Trump supporters. You all realize Fox didn't even cover Trump's visit to East Palestine Ohio? Newsmax did. I don't have time to watch T-V, but you can stream this (for free) right on your device which I sometimes do while at work in my office. The content is very good...it's of course center Right...but still very informative.
LOL. Newsmax
 

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Trump/DeSantis ticket has a chance of winning. No other combination gets it done IMHO.



If Trump can discipline his message to three or four overriding concerns among GOP voters, and drive that message with a consistent list of policies priorities, he will walk back into the WH.

IMO those top 3 or 4 issues are (in no particular order of importance)

1) get control of our open border
2) restore US energy independence
3) insist on parental school choice (vouchers)
4) restore US Foreign policy credibility

There are of course tangental issues related to all of those such as national security, inflation, immigration reform, spending/taxes, and the "woke" counter culture but those 4 represent the overall message of America First for Americans Trump can parlay into a winning campaign most Americans can support IMO.

Message discipline, policy priorities, Presidential leadership, & forging consensus among GOP voters for a governing mandate. No one will challenge him with a better messsge.
 
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atlkvb

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Anyone spending time listening to or watching legacy media then regurgitating the mindless propaganda they've been fed probably posts on this forum thinking they're informed.

They're certainly not hard to notice on here.
 

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Really? And this channel you are promoting is "free" from this?
I suggested the link specifically for Trump supporters because legacy media virtually ignores his existence. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN et all are still available for your NLP.
 

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I suggested the link specifically for Trump supporters because legacy media virtually ignores his existence. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN et all are still available for your NLP.
Ok. However, wouldn't this just be the opposite? Being pro-Trump 24/7 while blasting everything else?
 

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Ok. However, wouldn't this just be the opposite? Being pro-Trump 24/7 while blasting everything else?
Why would Trump supporters seek out legacy media for a fair or even accurate airing of their issues? Those are the same folks who spent three years lying to their audiences about him "colluding" with the Russians while ignoring the illegal spying and "colluding" being done against him by his DNC and Left wing accusers!

The whole idea suggesting the Newsmax link was so they (Trump supporters) could accurately and responsibly hear their issues presented.
 

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Trump just needs to stick to what he plans to do once he's President again. If he's remotely close to what DeSantis is doing in Florida, he doesn't have to "like" him, just duplicate his success.
 

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Here's just one example from DeSantis Trump can translate at the Federal level...education


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Beyond the direct influence of his policies on public institutions, these recent events demonstrate the ways in which DeSantis has also changed the terms of the dialogue around education, race, and pedagogy in myriad settings. While his regulatory decisions have a significant impact, the underlying effect of his rhetoric will have far-reaching implications for educational organizations and institutions—public and private alike.
 

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If Trump can discipline his message to three or four overriding concerns among GOP voters, and drive that message with a consistent list of policies priorities, he will walk back into the WH.

IMO those top 3 or 4 issues are (in no particular order of importance)

1) get control of our open border
2) restore US energy independence
3) insist on parental school choice (vouchers)
4) restore US Foreign policy credibility

There are of course tangental issues related to all of those such as national security, inflation, immigration reform, spending/taxes, and the "woke" counter culture but those 4 represent the overall message of America First for Americans Trump can parlay into a winning campaign most Americans can support IMO.

Message discipline, policy priorities, Presidential leadership, & forging consensus among GOP voters for a governing mandate. No one will challenge him with a better messsge.
The establishment will not let trump win again.
 

atlkvb

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The establishment will not let trump win again.
I'll agree with you there is an internal struggle underway inside the GOP against Trump factions, but clearly he commands tremendous support at the functional grass roots levels of the GOP, while the party establishment simply controls the operational apparatuses. They can't get much done without the grass roots supporters at the State and local levels (that's where the leg work and fundraising is done), and that is where Trump is strongest.

I do agree many in the GOP establishment can't stand him, but they don't control the rank-and-file who most recent polls show overwhelmingly still stand behind Trump's declared candidacy.
 

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They can't and have any hope at winning the White House.

One reason Trump won in 16 is because Hillary was 1) very unlikeable and 2) had a record you could run against.

To win the general, you HAVE to be able to swing the moderates your way. No matter what people say, the majority of America is still moderate at heart. It was what allowed both Reagan and Bill Clinton to win their elections so decisively - they could win their base but also had enough appeal to win some of the moderate vote from the other party.

Trump can't win in 24 for the exact same reasons he won in 16 - 1) he's very unlikeable and 2) he has a record you can run against.

Because of that, short of the Dems running some extremist candidate like Pelosi, Harris, etc. Trump has no chance. He's already proven he can't beat a moderate - even a bad one like Biden - who had a record but was ultimately more likeable as a candidate to the American people.

The Republican's best hope is for DeSantis, who has name recognition and respect, even across the aisle to be the nominee. If not him, at least someone the moderates can hold their nose and vote for because if its Trump again - kiss the WH goodbye.
 

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They can't and have any hope at winning the White House.

One reason Trump won in 16 is because Hillary was 1) very unlikeable and 2) had a record you could run against.

To win the general, you HAVE to be able to swing the moderates your way. No matter what people say, the majority of America is still moderate at heart. It was what allowed both Reagan and Bill Clinton to win their elections so decisively - they could win their base but also had enough appeal to win some of the moderate vote from the other party.

Trump can't win in 24 for the exact same reasons he won in 16 - 1) he's very unlikeable and 2) he has a record you can run against.

Because of that, short of the Dems running some extremist candidate like Pelosi, Harris, etc. Trump has no chance. He's already proven he can't beat a moderate - even a bad one like Biden - who had a record but was ultimately more likeable as a candidate to the American people.

The Republican's best hope is for DeSantis, who has name recognition and respect, even across the aisle to be the nominee. If not him, at least someone the moderates can hold their nose and vote for because if its Trump again - kiss the WH goodbye.
I'm going to push back on you a bit over this, although I think a lot of what you said here is correct. You can't win unless you secure your base first. In this respect Trump is clearly the titular head of the GOP. @SoCo correctly pointed out in another post the GOP establishment hates his guts, but Trump's appeal to voters (particularly among base GOP voters) is anti-establishment, which includes GOP king makers.

Beyond what you correctly pointed out about the country being primarily in the middle, it still also leans center/right IMO. Meanwhile the Democrat party establishment is under the complete control and is in fact prisoner of far Left radicals! They no where near represent where the majority of the country is...even if they tact Right as most Democrats try to do in order to win in the general election (like you said Clinton and Biden did). Democrats in order to win therefore have to lie about their true agenda, and it will take an anti-establishment type opposition candidate like Trump or even DeSantis to expose the far Left radical agenda.

Trump still lights up a room. No one can attract a crowd and fire them up like he does. Despite how popular DeSantis undoubtedly is, he doesn't have the crowd appeal Trump carries, and his conservative bonafides still are questioned by some in GOP circles (falsely imo btw) particularly among GOP primary base voters. I personally think he'd (DeSantis) be a fabulous candidate, but I also do not think he carries enough weight to beat Trump head-to-head for the GOP nomination. Unless he can win the GOP nomination, he won't get a chance to run against whoever puppet the Democrats settle on. I don't think Biden runs again.

So while I think Trump has some work to do, like disciplining his message and staying away from the personal insults & invectives...I still think he's the candidate to beat both for the GOP nomination and in the general. The more radical a candidate Dems pick and then try to hide, the easier Trump wins those folks in the middle you correctly pointed out any candidate also must win in order to win the Presidency.
 

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No doubt Trump is the head of the GOP at the moment. He brings crowds like no candidate in recent history. He is anti-establishment, as you've said.

The problem with that though is most Americans are not. RINOs or DINOs it matters not - each just wants a big government that best represents THEM and their points of view.

I think this is the danger of being in an echo chamber like this site - one only gets one point of view so one believes that the majority feel the same way. They don't. As stated above, as moderates, either left leaning or right leaning, either government (Rep or Dem) isn't going to hurt them too much so the candidate they vote for has to be someone they can swallow. For them, Trump isn't it. Truth is, the right is just far more vocal in their support of their candidate(s) so it appears they have more OVERALL support. Sadly, that just isn't the case.

If Trump can do all those things you mentioned in the last paragraph, he'd have a fantastic chance of winning again. I just don't think he can - that's not who he is - and that is what ultimately will cost him the WH in 24.
 

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No doubt Trump is the head of the GOP at the moment. He brings crowds like no candidate in recent history. He is anti-establishment, as you've said.

The problem with that though is most Americans are not. RINOs or DINOs it matters not - each just wants a big government that best represents THEM and their points of view.

I think this is the danger of being in an echo chamber like this site - one only gets one point of view so one believes that the majority feel the same way. They don't. As stated above, as moderates, either left leaning or right leaning, either government (Rep or Dem) isn't going to hurt them too much so the candidate they vote for has to be someone they can swallow. For them, Trump isn't it. Truth is, the right is just far more vocal in their support of their candidate(s) so it appears they have more OVERALL support. Sadly, that just isn't the case.

If Trump can do all those things you mentioned in the last paragraph, he'd have a fantastic chance of winning again. I just don't think he can - that's not who he is - and that is what ultimately will cost him the WH in 24.
Well we'll see? Time will tell. Trump remains a significant force in American politics...while he's practically universally hated in the major media which controls a majority of the narrative about him most folks perceive (those who don't follow alternative media outlets) I still suggest he is the candidate to beat in '24. I just don't see anyone either announced or on the political horizon who can beat him (possible exception of DeSantis).
 

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Well we'll see? Time will tell. Trump remains a significant force in American politics...while he's practically universally hated in the major media which controls a significant portion of the narrative about him most folks perceive (those who don't follow alternative media outlets) I still suggest he is the candidate to beat in '24. I just don't see anyone either announced or on the political horizon who can beat him (possible exception of DeSantis).

Trump will beat DeSantis. Everyone needs to mentally prepare for that. If the DOJ interferes that will definitely give it to him. People are not going to put up with that again.
 

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as moderates, either left leaning or right leaning, either government (Rep or Dem) isn't going to hurt them too much so the candidate they vote for has to be someone they can swallow.
The only problem I have with this is "moderates" don't win either party's primaries! Typically the candidates who most closely align with the party's base are the ones who get the nod to be the party standard bearers. Once the general election comes around, the parties then try to hide their more Conservative or more Leftist radical support. In the case of the GOP, they have less to hide than radical Democrats since as I suggested, the country is center/Right, not center/Left.
 

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Trump will beat DeSantis. Everyone needs to mentally prepare for that. If the DOJ interferes that will definitely give it to him. People are not going to put up with that again.
Dems correctly assessed in '16 running radical crazy Bernie would would not sell with the centrist voters @spartansstink mentioned any candidate must win in order to win the general. While his income redistribution schemes were perfectly fine with the Democrat far Left, the party did all in its power to make sure he wouldn't win the nomination because he was too far Left for the country.

Hillary wasn't necessarily any less radical, but she was more sellable as a "moderate"...same thing with Biden who was presented as a moderate, but has governed further Left than even Obama! Trump is anti-establishment, just like his GOP base. Matter of fact, the GOP party establishment hates his guts just as @SoCo said. However, the GOP doesn't have to try to present Trump as more "moderate" than anti-establishment. This is directly in contrast to what the Dems had to do with Hillary. Trump's appeal to both GOP voters and moderate general election voters IS as anti-establishment!

If @spartansstink is correct, voters will prefer someone who is more tied to bigger government than against it. Trump's appeal is against bigger government, and I'd suggest more voters can be found anti-establishment than pro big government. However we shall see, I could be wrong.
 

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Dems correctly assessed in '16 running radical crazy Bernie would would not sell with the centrist voters @spartansstink mentioned any candidate must win in order to win the general. While his income redistribution schemes were perfectly fine with the Democrat far Left, the party did all in its power to make sure he wouldn't win the nomination because he was too far Left for the country.

Hillary wasn't necessarily any less radical, but she was more sellable as a "moderate"...same thing with Biden who was presented as a moderate, but has governed further Left than even Obama! Trump is anti-establishment, just like his GOP base. Matter of fact, the GOP party establishment hates his guts just as @SoCo said. However, the GOP doesn't have to try to present Trump as more "moderate" than anti-establishment. This is directly in contrast to what the Dems had to do with Hillary. Trump's appeal to both GOP voters and moderate general election voters IS as anti-establishment!

If @spartansstink is correct, voters will prefer someone who is more tied to bigger government than against it. Trump's appeal is against bigger government, and I'd suggest more voters can be found anti-establishment than pro big government. However we shall see, I could be wrong.

Trump will win the nomination. Start debating who will be his Vice President. I say DeSantis.
 

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You see a Democrat who could beat him? Got any names?
(or are you suggesting Dems have perfected their cheating?)
Literally any Democrat that wins their primary will beat Trump. Did the midterms not prove to you how badly Trump is viewed by the independents?
 

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You see a Democrat who could beat him? Got any names?
(or are you suggesting Dems have perfected their cheating?)
The priest that Hot Carled little Christian could beat Trump if he ran against him as a Democrat.
 

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Literally any Democrat that wins their primary will beat Trump. Did the midterms not prove to you how badly Trump is viewed by the independents?
That's a fair enough point, certainly in some of the more high profile races Trump backed candidates lost key races, but he still backed hundreds of other candidates and I believe out of the total only around a dozen or so actually lost their races?

Trump is a lightening rod no question, but a lightening rod also conducts electricity. I still don't see any Democrats on the horizon who can beat him, and he remains THE driving energy inside the GOP while radical Leftists are on the verge of destroying what's Left of the Democrat party.

However we shall see?
 
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That's a fair enough point, certainly in some of the more high profile races Trump backed candidates lost key races, but he still backed hundreds of other candidates and I believe out of the total only around a dozen or so actually lost their races?

Trump is a lightening rod no question, but a lightening rod also conducts electricity. I still don't see any Democrats on the horizon who can beat him, and he remains THE driving force inside the GOP while radical Leftists are on the verge of destroying what's Left of the Democrat party.

However we shall see?
I agree with dvledog on this. Best thing Trump can do for this country is keep running in the primary and being vocal about term limits and open eyes of people. Let the media beat up on him . Don't do no harm to Desantis or any other good candidates. I don't believe Trump can win the white house.