Story: James Franklin explains timeout before missed field goal in Michigan State loss

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No problem with trying to burn clock. But why have the FG team get into formation and just have your kicker stand there?? It seems like a psychological thing. Keep the team on the sideline as the clock runs then call the TO. The FG team can then come out using the same routine they always use.
 

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Look, fact is he just missed it! It happens. Maybe bad field, snow, etc. affected him. But bottom line he just missed it and missed the EP a few minutes Later. He probably blew the Guy award with today’s performance, though his punting was excellent IIRC.
 

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Look, fact is he just missed it! It happens. Maybe bad field, snow, etc. affected him. But bottom line he just missed it and missed the EP a few minutes Later. He probably blew the Guy award with today’s performance, though his punting was excellent IIRC.

He does not deserve the Guy award this year based on his awful place kicking. He arguably personally lost two games for us!
 

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So just run the click down and take a five yard penalty, distance certainly wasn’t an issue and you get a better angle on the kick!
YEP, EVIDENTLY TIME WILL GET JAMES ON TRACK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YRS YOU THINK HAVE LEFT IN YOUR LIFE, MINE....MAYBE 10. I HOPE JAMES LEARNS SOONER THAN 10 YRS
 
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Look, fact is he just missed it! It happens. Maybe bad field, snow, etc. affected him. But bottom line he just missed it and missed the EP a few minutes Later. He probably blew the Guy award with today’s performance, though his punting was excellent IIRC.
I don't think so. I doubt his FG kicking has anything to do with the Ray Guy award, they have a separate one for Field Goals called the Groza award.
 
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Agree with the last part but his FG kicking has nothing to do with his punting and the Guy award.
He’s not even close punting wise to the kid from San Diego State. Having the best season in NCAA history probably. Something like a 52.2 net average.
 

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He’s not even close punting wise to the kid from San Diego State. Having the best season in NCAA history probably. Something like a 52.2 net average.
Agree but I was just saying that his FG kicking has nothing to do with the ray guy award.
 
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How much time was on the clock when the TO was called? If I recall correctly, Stout was out there ready to kick, and could have with the play clock winding down. The clock did not start back up after the TO.

Not sure I'm buying what Franklin is selling here. Hell, take the delay as already suggested.
 

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The TV cut to Stout right before the TO. He was looking at the sky. He wasn’t ready and knew he wasn’t going to kick it. Now maybe he was “frustrated” by not just going out and kicking it. IDK. He’s a Div. 1 placekicker, that’s a chip shot! Fact is, Stout missed several kicks this year that would have put us in better position to win or win easier. Does anybody here think Stout is almost automatic on FGs? I personally do not. Did we not pass on a FG attempt later in the game (as did MSU)?
 
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Elite punter, below average kicker. Don’t think the timeout had anything to do with him missing it, he’s just not consistent enough. As others have pointed out, other misses arguable cost a couple wins this season.
 
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And where was Pinnegar who easily kicked the extra point near the end of the game? I thought at the time that maybe that was Franklin’s thinking. Get the more short distance FG kicker in there.
 
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Stout missed FGs in S E V E N different games out of the ten games in which he attempted a kick this year.

Career-wise, hit barely 60%.
 

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The TO was flat out just another stupid mistake by Franklin. First, icing your own kicker in the snow is not a good strategy. Second, and probably more importantly, getting a five yard penalty would have made the kick somewhat easier by reducing the angle. Distance isn't the problem with our kicker, accuracy is though and reducing the angle would have helped.
 
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The TV cut to Stout right before the TO. He was looking at the sky. He wasn’t ready and knew he wasn’t going to kick it. Now maybe he was “frustrated” by not just going out and kicking it. IDK. He’s a Div. 1 placekicker, that’s a chip shot! Fact is, Stout missed several kicks this year that would have put us in better position to win or win easier. Does anybody here think Stout is almost automatic on FGs? I personally do not. Did we not pass on a FG attempt later in the game (as did MSU)?
Agree. CJF undoubtedly makes some bad coaching moves during the season. But I wouldn't include this one, nor the decision to punt on 4th and 1 early in the game, among them. At some point the players have to do their job. Stout needs to just make the kick. On the flip side, he makes a beautiful punt to the 1 yard line on the 4th down play. The defense doesn't do their job and allows a 35 yard run on the next play.

The players have to take some of the heat for this stuff, too. Sometimes we (myself included) use CJF as an easy scapegoat ... but if the players make the plays on some of the questionable coaching decisions, they are no longer "questionable."
 

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Agree. CJF undoubtedly makes some bad coaching moves during the season. But I wouldn't include this one, nor the decision to punt on 4th and 1 early in the game, among them. At some point the players have to do their job. Stout needs to just make the kick. On the flip side, he makes a beautiful punt to the 1 yard line on the 4th down play. The defense doesn't do their job and allows a 35 yard run on the next play.

The players have to take some of the heat for this stuff, too. Sometimes we (myself included) use CJF as an easy scapegoat ... but if the players make the plays on some of the questionable coaching decisions, they are no longer "questionable."

You're right. And for all his talk about "complimentary" football, I have never seen a team least complimented by other units. You can almost always expect if the defense does their job(gets a crucial turnover against Michigan) the offense will not seize. If the offense does score, it's almost a certainty the other team will march down the field and score against this defense. If the Special teams pins them deep, you have Walker busting a huge run right up the middle. It is why we rarely blow teams out. Whether it ball state, or Villanova, or a downtrodden Indiana team. Rarely do all of our units play well in a game.
 

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Watching the reply Franklin called the time out with 6 seconds left on the play clock. Seems odd to me. If he were trying to leave them with as little time as possible wouldn't he have waited a little long to call a TO? Maybe to 3 seconds. How may times has 3 seconds made a difference in a game? I remember that Michigan game where they put a second back on the board and it cost us the game. Remember that?
 

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It was a dumb decision. Teams call timeout to ice the kicker for a reason. Ever play golf?, more you think about a shot the less accurate you are. When he called it I said that is not good. Especially when it is freezing!!
Stop the BS. The TO didn't have a damn thing to do with the missed FG; Stout once again missed a critical FG plain and simple. Maybe some of you could explain to me how Franklin caused Stout to miss the PAT too. My god is Franklin the reason that dinosaurs are extinct too?
 
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Stop the BS. The TO didn't have a damn thing to do with the missed FG; Stout once again missed a critical FG plain and simple. Maybe some of you could explain to me how Franklin caused Stout to miss the PAT too. My god is Franklin the reason that dinosaurs are extinct too?
It's gotten beyond ridiculous. Some people don't like that he crosses his arms. Others don't like that he put his finger up to signal 1 for the PAT after the last TD. I watched for that in other games and every coach did it, even in the most obvious situations. That's just what they do. They signal either 1 or 2 after each TD.
 
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It's gotten beyond ridiculous. Some people don't like that he crosses his arms. Others don't like that he put his finger up to signal 1 for the PAT after the last TD. I watched for that in other games and every coach did it, even in the most obvious situations. That's just what they do. They signal either 1 or 2 after each TD.
Thanks. There is legitimate things to criticize Franklin about, but this constant whining and blaming every mistake or failure to make plays on the field on Franklin is really getting stale.
 

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Thanks. There is legitimate things to criticize Franklin about, but this constant whining and blaming every mistake or failure to make plays on the field on Franklin is really getting stale.
But it seems like anytime someone has a gripe, you attack and use inflammatory language like "stop the BS" and "get over yourself."
 

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Thanks. There is legitimate things to criticize Franklin about, but this constant whining and blaming every mistake or failure to make plays on the field on Franklin is really getting stale.
There ARE legitimate things to criticize Franklin about, and the number one thing is he is a crappy coach. Name one thing he's good at and defend your argument.
 

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Stop the BS. The TO didn't have a damn thing to do with the missed FG; Stout once again missed a critical FG plain and simple. Maybe some of you could explain to me how Franklin caused Stout to miss the PAT too. My god is Franklin the reason that dinosaurs are extinct too?
So if true. Why do teams call timeout when the other team is kicking? Hmmm??

to ice the damn kicker and make him think about the kick!!!
So stop with excuses why Franklin would call a timeout once again when it is the wrong time.
He also had a field goal kicker in pinegar. So once again his decision as coach. Stop blaming the player!!
 
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Watching the reply Franklin called the time out with 6 seconds left on the play clock. Seems odd to me. If he were trying to leave them with as little time as possible wouldn't he have waited a little long to call a TO? Maybe to 3 seconds. How may times has 3 seconds made a difference in a game? I remember that Michigan game where they put a second back on the board and it cost us the game. Remember that?

It is odd as coaches usually stand next to the ref and tell them they want the TO with one second left. Works every time.
 

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It is odd as coaches usually stand next to the ref and tell them they want the TO with one second left. Works every time.
If what James said about why he called the time out is true then we have another issue with his decision making. He wasted running off 5 more seconds.
I am beginning to think he just likes calling time outs at the end of halves.
 

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Stop the BS. The TO didn't have a damn thing to do with the missed FG; Stout once again missed a critical FG plain and simple. Maybe some of you could explain to me how Franklin caused Stout to miss the PAT too. My god is Franklin the reason that dinosaurs are extinct too?
Wait, what? Franklin did the dinosaurs? The Yucatán asteroid thingy? And we gave him a contract extension anyway?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 

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So if true. Why do teams call timeout when the other team is kicking? Hmmm??

to ice the damn kicker and make him think about the kick!!!
So stop with excuses why Franklin would call a timeout once again when it is the wrong time.
He also had a field goal kicker in pinegar. So once again his decision as coach. Stop blaming the player!!
...and yet a random "iced" kicker makes it more often than not despite such time outs taken by the opposing team, rendering such time outs to typically be ineffective attempts at psychological warfare.

Further, as great of a punter and kickoff specialist as Stoudt is, he makes every single extra point a nerve racking experience, let alone field goals.

Let's not overthink this; Stoudt missed the 2 kicks independently of "getting nervous" during the timeout. In fact, as ILLINOISLION posted above, apparently he has missed field goals in seven different games this season, and there would be justifiable concern about ANY kick.

Justified criticisms would thus be some of those shared above: "why not wait until 1 second on the play clock to call it"...ok, fair based on CJF's explanation that he wanted to use clock...

...or as you yourself say "why not use Pinegar for shorter kicks?"...that is also fair...

...but nevertheless based on the pre-existing accuracy concerns, coupled with the fact that the effectiveness of "icing" a kicker is largely a myth, it is very reasonable to conclude that that particular timeout was completely inconsequential to the undesirable outcome of Stoudt's field goal attempt.
 
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...and yet a random "iced" kicker makes it more often than not despite such time outs taken by the opposing team, rendering such time outs to typically be ineffective attempts at psychological warfare.

Further, as great of a punter and kickoff specialist as Stoudt is, he makes every single extra point a nerve racking experience, let alone field goals.

Let's not overthink this; Stoudt missed the 2 kicks independently of "getting nervous" during the timeout. In fact, as ILLINOISLION posted above, apparently he has missed field goals in seven different games this season, and there would be justifiable concern about ANY kick.

Justified criticisms would thus be some of those shared above: "why not wait until 1 second on the play clock to call it"...ok, fair based on CJF's explanation that he wanted to use clock...

...or as you yourself say "why not use Pinegar for shorter kicks?"...that is also fair...

...but nevertheless based on the pre-existing accuracy concerns, coupled with the fact that the effectiveness of "icing" a kicker is largely a myth, it is very reasonable to conclude that that particular timeout was completely inconsequential to the undesirable outcome of Stoudt's field goal attempt.
It is not stouts fault. It is franklins. No different than if a qb threw an interception or a receiver dropped a pass. So lay off stout. Without him we could have more losses.
 

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...and yet a random "iced" kicker makes it more often than not despite such time outs taken by the opposing team, rendering such time outs to typically be ineffective attempts at psychological warfare.

Further, as great of a punter and kickoff specialist as Stoudt is, he makes every single extra point a nerve racking experience, let alone field goals.

Let's not overthink this; Stoudt missed the 2 kicks independently of "getting nervous" during the timeout. In fact, as ILLINOISLION posted above, apparently he has missed field goals in seven different games this season, and there would be justifiable concern about ANY kick.

Justified criticisms would thus be some of those shared above: "why not wait until 1 second on the play clock to call it"...ok, fair based on CJF's explanation that he wanted to use clock...

...or as you yourself say "why not use Pinegar for shorter kicks?"...that is also fair...

...but nevertheless based on the pre-existing accuracy concerns, coupled with the fact that the effectiveness of "icing" a kicker is largely a myth, it is very reasonable to conclude that that particular timeout was completely inconsequential to the undesirable outcome of Stoudt's field goal attempt.
Please explain how having a smaller angle while still having a very short kick wouldn't be better.

There is no way to put lipstick on this pig. It was another stupid mistake that Franklin made during this and virtually every game he has coached at Penn State.
 

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