ESPN+ is increasing to $6. A true ESPN package would surely include ESPN+ and thus would likely be operating at a loss if they only charged $20 for it.
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If it is only about $9 per subscriber, then adding $6 to it only brings it to $15. At $20 they should make a killing.
You’ve completely missed both points.
1. You’re not getting ESPN (live) without Disney (live). Disney owns them, they’re going to make you pay for them whether you want to or not. That’s the whole reason for the YouTube price increase, it’s how TV works.
2. ESPN isn’t going to give up the guaranteed $8 for EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS CABLE OR SATELLITE (not including what they get for 2, U, News, SEC and ACC Network) for $20 from only the people that choose to subscribe and can unsubscribe at a whim.
1. You’re not getting ESPN (live) without Disney (live). Disney owns them, they’re going to make you pay for them whether you want to or not. That’s the whole reason for the YouTube price increase, it’s how TV works.
2. ESPN isn’t going to give up the guaranteed $8 for EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS CABLE OR SATELLITE (not including what they get for 2, U, News, SEC and ACC Network) for $20 from only the people that choose to subscribe and can unsubscribe at a whim.
I just switched to youtube.tv a few months ago and got notice yesterday that they were jacking up the price by $15/month to $65. Their excuse is that they gave us 8 new crappy channels including VH1, BET, CMT, MTV, Nickelodeon, etc. I will be looking for a new option. Spectrum is offering a 30 channel streaming package including local networks and cloud DVR for $25. I may try that and add ESPN ala cart.
https://www.thestreamingadvisor.com/what-is-spectrum-tv-stream/
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For Youtube TV subs like me.
Extra $15/m for channels I never watch.
Extra $15/m for channels I never watch.
We've found out that we really don't watch much tv at all without sports on in my house. My wife and daughters mainly do Netflix and Youtube videos. I apparently never watched much of anything aside from live sports. Now that we haven't had much of that (until a bit recently), I haven't watched anything. Over the last couple months, our TV hasn't come on for a couple days at a time except when we sit down on the couch at the end of the day and shuffle through the channels before deciding to watch a movie on netflix or amazon prime.
The increase to get 8 channels we don't watch might just cause me to move on to something else (or nothing).
That is my family. We don't watch any of those channels and if we used to, we didn't miss them enough to care once we originally switched to YTTV 4 months ago. Guess I'll be looking into alternatives soon. Whether I find anything is the key.
Before long, going back to spectrum cable may not be that bad of an idea. They are offering former customers a YTTV-like streaming service for $44.99 a month. Looks like I'll have to check it out.
$9 per subscriber, but that $9 only covers ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, and the SEC Network. The other ESPN channels raise that cost even more.
And the % of people staying subscribed year round to the same steaming subscriptions is decreasing. They may have Netflix for a month then cancel it, signup for HBO Max for a month then cancel, sign up for Hulu for a month the cancel it.
Same thing is going to be the case with ESPN streaming. Why the hell is someone going to pay $20 to stay subscribed in the summer if they only wanted it for football or basketball, for example? Some will because of laziness, many won’t.
When people start leaving cable and satellite for this, the cable companies are going to have to start charging their non-sports customers more, start charging the channel providers more which will increase the cost to customers, or start dropping channels to cut costs which could lead to even more exodus of customers. They aren’t just going to sit back and accept they are going to make less money.
When the non sports customers get tired of paying so much, they’ll leave. Guess what? That’s a lot less money ESPN is suddenly earning.
Now ESPN isn’t just going to eat that lost revenue. They’ll have to offset that by:
1) Aggressively adding more customers than they lost from cable, which is going to be hard since these people were interested in sports to begin with. And less young people are interested in sports now, so it’s going to become increasingly harder to get people to sign up going forward.
2) Increasing the price they charge the cable companies, which is just going to lead to more of the problem caused in point #1
3) Increasing the number of ads, which everyone is going to hate
4) Charging more for ads, which is going to make it harder to get people to buy ads
5) Reduce what live sport options they offer, which will give people more reason to cancel their subscription
6) Pay less for live sports rights, which then that leads back to point #5 because other companies will come in and have a better offer
7) Increase the price customers pay, which is by far the easiest option, but will lead to some customers cancelling for good, so it will be a delicate balance to have to play.
I dont watch TV at all unless its sports. 8 have MLB.TV. I work 2nd shift, so when I get home at 1am, the Reds game is ready for watching on there. Yes MLB blackout rules are garbage, but whatever I can't catch Reds live most nights anyway.
Bengals are on CBS. Easy enough.
As for the Cayts, I only ever watch sports on TV, dont have a ton of use for cable channels. I had Hulu, Sling and PSVue all st one time or another for the gf but thats over with so I have zero reason to spend 50-60-70/month to subsidize a bunch of garbage *** programming, and then do likewise for ESPN and their liberal woke ********.
Ill take my money and support a local establishment and my Cats every weekend this season or grill out with my buddies.
Check out MagellanTV and CuriosityStream folks. I paid for a year for each, educational documentaries. Its good for when I want to watch something that isnt sports. So many apps on Roku offer free movies, I dont much see the need for Netflix either. Couldnt possibly ******* care less about the next episode of Tiger King. Mindless drivel for the lowest common denominators of society.
Bengals are on CBS. Easy enough.
As for the Cayts, I only ever watch sports on TV, dont have a ton of use for cable channels. I had Hulu, Sling and PSVue all st one time or another for the gf but thats over with so I have zero reason to spend 50-60-70/month to subsidize a bunch of garbage *** programming, and then do likewise for ESPN and their liberal woke ********.
Ill take my money and support a local establishment and my Cats every weekend this season or grill out with my buddies.
Check out MagellanTV and CuriosityStream folks. I paid for a year for each, educational documentaries. Its good for when I want to watch something that isnt sports. So many apps on Roku offer free movies, I dont much see the need for Netflix either. Couldnt possibly ******* care less about the next episode of Tiger King. Mindless drivel for the lowest common denominators of society.
The biggest problem in all of this is people need to start changing the TV behaviors that have been ingrained in us for 30+ years if they want to start really saving money. People have to get out of the mindset that they need to have the chance to watch everything live when it originally airs.
You don’t NEED to stay up to date on every single TV show you watch. It’s OK if you don’t watch a season of a show until it appears on streaming a year after it was released. It’s OK if you don’t watch every single show that sounds interesting to you.
You don’t NEED to be able to have access to dozens to hundreds of channels just so you can watch some random show or watch syndicated repeats because you happened to see it while channel surfing. You can watch a random YouTube video for free instead. You can watch a random show on Netflix instead since you’re probably already subscribed to that.
Sometimes I wish I didn’t like sports. I would have gotten rid of any form of live TV a long time ago if not for sports.
ESPN really should figure out some ala carte way of offering their programming. I don’t mean by channel, I mean by programming. I don’t want to watch anything they have to offer outside of live football and basketball games. Don’t want any other sport, don’t want all their talking head BS shows, etc.
I’d gladly get rid of YouTube TV if I could just pay them to watch those two. I don’t know if there is a profitable route for them to go at this point given how much of their revenue is dependent on people being subscribed to some type of live TV package though.
You don’t NEED to stay up to date on every single TV show you watch. It’s OK if you don’t watch a season of a show until it appears on streaming a year after it was released. It’s OK if you don’t watch every single show that sounds interesting to you.
You don’t NEED to be able to have access to dozens to hundreds of channels just so you can watch some random show or watch syndicated repeats because you happened to see it while channel surfing. You can watch a random YouTube video for free instead. You can watch a random show on Netflix instead since you’re probably already subscribed to that.
Sometimes I wish I didn’t like sports. I would have gotten rid of any form of live TV a long time ago if not for sports.
ESPN really should figure out some ala carte way of offering their programming. I don’t mean by channel, I mean by programming. I don’t want to watch anything they have to offer outside of live football and basketball games. Don’t want any other sport, don’t want all their talking head BS shows, etc.
I’d gladly get rid of YouTube TV if I could just pay them to watch those two. I don’t know if there is a profitable route for them to go at this point given how much of their revenue is dependent on people being subscribed to some type of live TV package though.
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I switched from Comcast to yttv earlier in the year, but kept the 200mb download internet for $83 all in.
Comcast wanted to raise my rates from $205 to $245. Two boxes + one dvr + internet. No premiums.
To get me back, they will add the 200 channel lineup to my current internet package $137 tax included/mo for 2 year commitment. That’s one box and 60 hours dvr.
I guess I am back to playing the game. Cable is a much cleaner interface, but yttv has that unlimited dvr.
That thing is addictive. I’ve probably got 200 movies and 20-30 complete tv series on it now. Then add that everyone in the household has their own separate cloud dvr. That will be hard to walk away from.
Comcast wanted to raise my rates from $205 to $245. Two boxes + one dvr + internet. No premiums.
To get me back, they will add the 200 channel lineup to my current internet package $137 tax included/mo for 2 year commitment. That’s one box and 60 hours dvr.
I guess I am back to playing the game. Cable is a much cleaner interface, but yttv has that unlimited dvr.
That thing is addictive. I’ve probably got 200 movies and 20-30 complete tv series on it now. Then add that everyone in the household has their own separate cloud dvr. That will be hard to walk away from.
60 hour DVR is such a rip off. I don’t know how much DVR space I had when I was with Dish but I had to have well over a hundred hours of unwatched stuff and I wasn’t even close to hitting 50% capacity. Don’t even think I had gotten to as much as 25%.
But you know YTTV DVR recordings are only good for 9 months right? After that they switch over to VOD with unskippable ads or you lose it entirely.
This is why this is stupid for YoutubeTV. I think right now most people who stream are discovering that they likely don't need the TV sans sports. I know that I and my family rarely use the service. Still, I have kept it and just let it go on running merely because it was already there. Now that they are raising the price and I am again aware of it, I'll definitely cancel it at least for August and then decide whether or not I'll buy it or something else for football season.
Had YoutubeTV done this in say September or October, when everyone will be using it more frequently to watch sports, then they may have kept a lot of customers. Instead, they do it likely at the lowest point of viewership and people instead will likely turn away from it.
Not to mention that 65 bucks (with the addition of internet) is approaching what one might pay for at least an introductory price to cable to begin with. So, I could just go back to Charter and get 2 years locked in at the same as YoutubeTV, or possibly even lower.
Saw this new app on my ROKU.
https://www.vidgo.com/#english|1
But seems like they don't have DVR atm.
Frankly with sports not going on I thought about going with Philo @ $20 a month
https://try.philo.com/
Currently I watch over air locals and Pluto. The lack of FOXNews is the only kicker with PHILO.
Yes, but...
Every time a show/movie is rebroadcast, it makes a new recording automatically. It doesn't replace it. It just adds an additional recording. Each recording has a nine month timer.
Some of my recordings already have 5 copies. The oldest will keep falling off. When they stop airing a broadcast regularly, it will probably show up again on netflix or amazon.
It's still pretty sweet to not manage dvr space.
I'm not married/ have no allegiance to any of these jackholes, though.
Whoever has the best deal rules the day and the deal can happen in 5 minutes now. There's no waiting for the service tech to come by the house.
I don't like that yttv changed their price but I'm still saving about 20 bucks over directv when I had it. If they jump it again then things may change. Overall I'm satisfied with it.
I've had Vidgo for a couple of months and it's not bad. Only issue is the app crashes here and there.
Yeah it sucks. yttv went from $40 to $50mo about the time i dropped spectrum and signed on last year, now this bs.
I like the features but if they keep raising their price and justifying it by adding a few crappy channels they’ll be just like spectrum pretty soon.
Thinking about getting an antenna. sports isn’t going to be worth watching anyway, if there are any, with all the virus and political crap. i’m still saving $118mo over spectrum.
My wife is a Fox News freak. She dumped cable and switched to youtube tv because they carried Fox. Dumped youtube tv yesterday. Looking for something cheap that has Fox News. I pretty much watch youtube videos myself.
Sling TV blue package is $30 per month and has Fox News plus a bunch of other pretty good channels. The main sports are NFL network and TNT's NBA coverage. No locals though.
https://www.soda.com/video/sling-tv-channels-list/#blue-package
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