Study on the Vax
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Its no shocker. I mean look at Pfizer. They have had to pay the biggest fine in American history. They have a criminal rap sheet a mile long. Here is just one of them, from the fbi.gov archives
They also violated the Nuremberg Convention, which was put in place after Nazi Germany did experiments on humans.
Why is this company even still in business and not in prison? Because they have paid billions of dollars to keep themselves out of prison and in business..
And they want to force us to take their untested "vaccines". Wake up liberals. You guys are a big part of the problem right now. Useful idiots.
They also violated the Nuremberg Convention, which was put in place after Nazi Germany did experiments on humans.
Why is this company even still in business and not in prison? Because they have paid billions of dollars to keep themselves out of prison and in business..
And they want to force us to take their untested "vaccines". Wake up liberals. You guys are a big part of the problem right now. Useful idiots.
While I’m not disputing anything regarding fines and crimes by Pfizer, I can honestly tell you their vaccine works. It’s the best one on the market. It’s saved a lot of lives. I’m in healthcare. I’m a registered nurse. I got it as well. The covid surge right now is probably well above 90% unvaccinated people currently hospitalized and closer to 99% who are critically ill with covid. I’m a very hard right conservative. I fully support those who wish not to receive the vaccine. And I fully support those who choose the vaccine. I just want to correct misinformation regarding the statistics of the vaccine pro versus cons. Can you die from the vaccine? Yes, I’m sure you could, but know this, it’s likely extremely rare that happens. I personally do not know anyone that has been harmed. In the end, it’s personal choice. Stay safe and well.
What's better natural immunity or the vaccine? How many boosters are we gonna need? I'm not anti vaxxer, I'm anti vaxxer at this time . I have had the rona & according to studies in Israel I'm just as protected as the vaccinated.
If this vaccine worked as good as the polio vaccine I would not be bitching about the mandate, but it dont , it dont prevent me from catching it & it dont prevent the spread of it , it is a pretreatment that we will need many boosters over the years. Should be a personal choice.
It’s better to have both natural immunity and the vaccine. It’s more like an annual flu shot. It’s not a cure. It’s goal is to lessen the symptoms if you get covid. Like the flu shot, It’s introducing your body to a dead strain of it to get your body to react to fighting it. You will then build your natural immunity to it. Covid is likely here to stay unfortunately. And you will need annual shots like the flu. The cure for polio is one of the most amazing things of our time. Curing a virus is next to impossible. Jonas Salk is one of the most amazing scientists/drs to ever live. Those demanding vaccination are wrong. It should be your choice.
It’s a “leaky vaccine” because it only targets the specific subunit on the spike protein. It can help with symptom control, but it does not prevent anything. And you know damn well that most of these “overran ERs” are simply workforce shortages, especially in the Kanawha Valley.
You just repeated what I said. It’s not a cure. It’s symptom control. And as far as workforce shortages? Don’t get me started on greedy hospital administrators. There’s a reason for nurse shortages
Had to go pick up an old MRI at CaMC General last week and the ER was dead (since it was later at night I had to go through the ER). The ER was not busy at all and there were no ambulances waiting in the ER dock. The news straight lies about all of it. Not to mention that Thomas Health Systems is too cheap to provide masks for visitors or patients and make you provide your own or you don’t get service. All of this is a pure $$$ game for them and the media is complicit in it.
I’m not gonna argue that. I’ve always, since last year when it started, said the media was lying and distorting the truth about Covid.
Natural immunity is more durable, and will not be the cause of more variants like the vaccines lead to. The real elephant in the room is why and the FK arent they treating covid patients early in every hospital and clinic in America? The few that are have very very low hospitalization and death rates. We didnt need a vaccines, we just needed real treatment so people can become immune and reach actual her immunity. This whole thing is ridiculous.
The vaccines will continue producing more variants and therefore more boosters, more side effects, more needless deaths, etc. An endless supply of money to pfizer and the other scam artist pharm companies that our great grandchildren will still be paying for, if we last that long.
The vaccines will continue producing more variants and therefore more boosters, more side effects, more needless deaths, etc. An endless supply of money to pfizer and the other scam artist pharm companies that our great grandchildren will still be paying for, if we last that long.
I’m sorry, but none of that is true. If you don’t want the vaccine, I support your personal choice.
You are completely full of **** and know nothing about what you are talking about, or my background lol. In fact everything you said above is laughable, so much that I dont even believe you are a nurse. But it is what it is....
Actually, I do know what I’m talking about. Your post shows me your background is non-medical and you are full of ****. If you were medical, you’d be laughing at yourself as much as I’m laughing at you.
I've always respected your take on this because you are on the front lines and I believe you are sincere in simply wanting the best & accurate information on this being made available. You're also not irrationally maniacal about the vaccine.
All that being said are you aware this is not actually a "vaccine" as we've understood them? It's not even FDA approved (not what they're using) and better cheaper antidotes to the virus are not even being made available much less discussed.
Why?
(p.s. I'll be happy to link you to some information and research backing my assertions here if you like. We'll use PM so just let me know OK?)
I agree with everything you said , it's a flu shot & should not be mandatory. Pretty cut & dried situation If you ask me
I respect you as well. Yes, PM me as much stuff as you want to send. I agree, as I’ve always agreed, there were other ways of treating covid. I have personally seen Hydroxychloroquine work in treating covid. I have personally seen Remdesivir work. All have been ridiculed by non medical msm because Trump promoted it. While I know covid is real, I also know it’s political. And not only successful in removing a successful president from office, but also has made a lot of mask manufacturing companies a large profit.
I have always said the best way to beat Covid was to build natural immunity by confronting it head on. Not by hiding from it. We do not know the long term effects of the vaccine. However, it does work against Covid. You can and likely will contract covid even with vaccination. The difference is being at home with a runny/stuffy nose versus struggling to breathe on a ventilator and/or Ecmo. Everyone should be free to make the decision to go vaccinated or unvaccinated and also to go mask or maskless. The argument to choose against vaccination is eerily similar to libtards pro abortion pleas of “my body, my choice”. Why is this any different? I always throw that in their faces and watch as they frantically try to back paddle “well, that…that’s different!”. To which I reply, “Is it really different?”.
Do you support the quack doctors who are posting that they will refuse to treat any unvaccinated person and claims that since the person isn't "trusting medicine" then they are not violating the Hippocratic oath?
No I don’t support them. I also don’t know any of these so called doctors refusing to treat unvaccinated patients. They would be fired for such nonsense
I won't "bombard" you with a bunch of stuff...just some choice research and epidemiological studies that have been buried or hidden by the fear porn media about this so called vaccine and better more effective treatments/preventions.
BTW, agree with 100% of what you've posted here. Your stuff on this since the start of the fear mongering over it has mostly been spot on and I appreciate your rational, well reasoned arguments for your positions. [thumbsup]
This is not to disparage WVU80ate as I don't believe he means any malice. However some of the comments he said directly conflicts against major studies on going through out the world.
(1) Right now somewhere around 60%-70% of Americans have been vaxed, yet we have 300Xs the cases of covid that we did this time last year with not vaccine.
(2) The vaccine we are taking now is basically for an extinct virus that no long exists, sort of like taking last years flu shot for this years flu season. There is no possible way for the vax to keep up with the virus mutation.
(3) After losing between 40k-80k a year from the flu every year since records have been kept, we are now entering a 3rd year with virtually no deaths from the flu.
(4) Studies in both Iceland and Israel the two highest vaxed countries in the have shown people currently getting covid are roughly 50/50 vaxed vs non vaxed. On a personal note only three people in our extended family have gotten covid-ALL THREE HAVE BEEN VAXED.
(5) Every study I have seen to date shows that natural immunity from previous infected people is around 27x more effective than the vax.
(6) We have no idea of the long term of the vax. Japan has just suspended one of the vax variants as at least 3 healthy men in their 30s and 40s have died after taking the vax.
I know of no emergency room or hospital that is being overwhelmed due to covid.
I didn't include this as a fact as it as it is just a suspicion on my part but the covid test was very unreliable from the beginning. But I speculated that covid cases would explode after Bill Gates and George Soros bought out the testing companie a few months ago and that seems to be playing out.
(1) Right now somewhere around 60%-70% of Americans have been vaxed, yet we have 300Xs the cases of covid that we did this time last year with not vaccine.
(2) The vaccine we are taking now is basically for an extinct virus that no long exists, sort of like taking last years flu shot for this years flu season. There is no possible way for the vax to keep up with the virus mutation.
(3) After losing between 40k-80k a year from the flu every year since records have been kept, we are now entering a 3rd year with virtually no deaths from the flu.
(4) Studies in both Iceland and Israel the two highest vaxed countries in the have shown people currently getting covid are roughly 50/50 vaxed vs non vaxed. On a personal note only three people in our extended family have gotten covid-ALL THREE HAVE BEEN VAXED.
(5) Every study I have seen to date shows that natural immunity from previous infected people is around 27x more effective than the vax.
(6) We have no idea of the long term of the vax. Japan has just suspended one of the vax variants as at least 3 healthy men in their 30s and 40s have died after taking the vax.
I know of no emergency room or hospital that is being overwhelmed due to covid.
I didn't include this as a fact as it as it is just a suspicion on my part but the covid test was very unreliable from the beginning. But I speculated that covid cases would explode after Bill Gates and George Soros bought out the testing companie a few months ago and that seems to be playing out.
Dr. Hobert Mack (a dentist in Logan County) is refusing to treat patients if they have not been vaccinated. He’s a dentist, not a medical doctor, but he’s a local WV provider who is refusing to treat patients based on this.
Yet, he will treat those who have Hep C, HIV, Herpes, and he also does not request to see anyone’s vaccination records against measles, mumps, rubella, neisseria meningitidis, DTap, and Polio.
Yes, like the annual flu shot, it’s based on the previous strain from the year before. All of us in healthcare are questioning how we somehow eradicated the flu? Some theorize the masks are the reason. However, not everyone is wearing a mask. Theoretically, we should be seeing the flu. We’re not. In fact, the only form of flu I’ve been seeing is the parainfluenza and I’ve only seen a handful of those. It leads me to also believe the flu has been manufactured for decades by big pharmaceutical companies.
As for the vaccine treating a strain that is extinct is not accurate. While the Delta and Lambda are the latest strains, the original Covid strain is still out there and the vaccine in theory should work. So I can’t say I agree with thinking the vaccine is worthless
Back to natural immunity, I’ve not said the vaccine is better than natural immunity. I’ve only said, in my opinion, based on what I’m seeing on the front line of healthcare, having the vaccine while building a natural immunity combined appears to be better. Currently where I work, over 95% of all positive Covid patients are unvaccinated. I’ve seen only a handful admitted who were vaccinated. And only one vaccinated patient requiring high flow O2 above 50L at 100% fio2.
On my own personal note, I lost family and friends to Covid recently. Some were elderly with and without prior health concerns or chronic illness. I’ve also lost a family member in his early 30’s, who by all accounts was very healthy. All of them were unvaccinated.
In the end, I appreciate all viewpoints and all information, opinions, facts, etc. I still maintain that it comes down to personal choice. Get the vaccine or don’t. The only people shoving it down our throats are liberals with a political agenda or financial gain. Live your life how you see best.
They should lose their licenses. It's 100% discrimination. No different than saying "whites only".
Thank you for your input , I truly appreciate it. I see all the studies between unvaccinated & vaccinated but they leave out those with natural immunity. I wish people wouldn't try & play word games with this . As for me at this point in time I'm not getting it , simply because I believe natural immunity is best & I dont need booster shots every couple months. I read articles from all different news outlets & so many are misleading & leave out important information.
@WVU80ate , correct me if I'm wrong, but the influenza is a virus & so is the rona, if the masked stopped the flu wouldn't it stop the rona ? Most viruses act in similar ways I believe & in the past we could not control the flu or have a vaccine that stops the spread.
I believe we was supposed to have a bad flu season in 2019/2020 if I remember correctly then we got the rona ....& the flu was no more.
Before the rona did hospitals do a flu test on elderly patients who was dying of preexisting conditions? Did they do a flu test on a 85 year old man who fell broke his hip then got pneumonia? I'm asking not to be a smartass, I'm asking because you are in the medical field & I value your opinion.
I believe we was supposed to have a bad flu season in 2019/2020 if I remember correctly then we got the rona ....& the flu was no more.
Before the rona did hospitals do a flu test on elderly patients who was dying of preexisting conditions? Did they do a flu test on a 85 year old man who fell broke his hip then got pneumonia? I'm asking not to be a smartass, I'm asking because you are in the medical field & I value your opinion.
You are 100% right. It is a virus like the flu. They say Covid is much much more contagious than the flu. However, we still should be seeing the flu. And obviously we are not. As for testing elderly with pre-existing conditions randomly for the flu, we did not. That’s also another great point you made. I’m sure many more people were undiagnosed flu in the past.
People start dying at a certain age no matter the cause our bodies was not designed to live forever & no matter the amount of vaccine we take a common cold will lead to pneumonia (pneumonia is old mans friend) & the same goes for people with weakened immune systems do to other factors.
I feel the numbers of deaths due to the rona is so distorted that we will be confused for years to come & this vaccinated vs unvaccinated can/will cause civil unrest if not worse. Good thing I'm a home body & my favorite meal is beans & taters
You’re right. We don’t walk because we’re afraid to drive and wreck. We don’t refuse to walk because we’re afraid to fall. We don’t avoid water because we’re afraid to drown. We live our lives. No government should lock us down.
My latest argument with somebody was over this. I'm supposed to sit back, watch commercials about gender this gender that, watch boys paint their faces with makeup, listen to pronoun this pronoun that, and not say a word. And I've pretty much have sat back, and let them do what they want. It's their life, not mine. However, I'm not allowed to use my personal belief about my own immune system and using it to fight off the cold? That makes me a "bad American"????? And this isn't a Democrat vs. Republican argument, because there's people on both sides of the political spectrum calling people like us that.......Bad Americans. Some want people like us to be held criminal accountable for passing this cold to someone else. They are restricted our access to certain places. They are limiting our abilities to seek employment due to vaccine mandates. And we have people like Howard Stern (who recently said people like us are idiots and should shut up and get the shot) and Jimmy Kimmel (who recently said if a hospital had a sick vaccinated and unvaccinated person to wait on, then RIP to the unvaccinated) influencing that type of behavior. Not to mention the people on the other side saying stupid **** like "there's a computer chip tracking you". JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!