Super Bowl Thoughts

[GMAN81]

Just wondered how many of you watched the game. Pretty darned sloppy on both sides.

I never watch the halftime show so I couldn't tell you anything about it.

For me...a couple of things. I think the game is so hard to watch with all of the commercial time taken. The game never seemed to get into any kind of a "flow." Just when things may have gotten going, another commercial break came along to slow things down again. That is aggravating.

I was disappointed to learn Cam Newton walked out of a post-game presser. In general, I like Newton. But that was wrong and I guarantee you Peyton Manning wouldn't have done that if the Broncos had lost.

The Panthers learned a much needed lesson yesterday. I think they took Denver a little bit lightly. One article said Denver's win was "stunning." I didn't see it as stunning. I think it was an upset, but not stunning. If you want stunning, the Jets beating the Colts in Super Bowl III was stunning.

 

[pjjp]

I agree there wasn't a flow to the game. The long commercial breaks and the insufferably, long halftime contribute to that. I also don't like the two week break before the game. It helps guys get healthier, but I think it contributes to what mostly are disappointing Super Bowls.

How about Cam Newton not attempting to recover his last fumble? He's going to hear about that all off-season.

 

[UlbKA91]

Game reminded me of those dread 2011 LSU - Bama games. Panthers were LSU and Bama (Denver) dominated in an understated way. Denver's defensive personnel wisely avoided doing the whole run in place dance thing - getting 2 personal fouls early probably made them more circumspect.

 

[GMAN81]

How about Cam Newton not attempting to recover his last fumble? He's going to hear about that all off-season.

I couldn't believe that either. I know this much. Manning, Brady, McMahon, Elway, Favre, Namath and just about every other QB to play would have been in there.

Newton heard about it almost immediately from the broadcasters. That isn't going away soon...agree with you.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

I enjoyed the game. I've heard a lot of people call it "sloppy", I just call that good defense and rather enjoyed it. I've about had it with offense, offense, offense. Von Miller officially became a man among boys last night, he's unreal.

Cam is Cam, people will forget about the interview in a couple of weeks. I like Cam, he's not Lebron, Cam is actually a man and isn't a punk. But I will tell you this, Cam got hit in the mouth last night and didn't like it. Denver pounded him and the rest of the Panthers offense. They stuck it to them. Carolina will be good against next year, they have a good team and will fix their holes.

I've always said it, in order to be good in the NFL you have to protect the QB and get to the QB. If you do those 2 things you can be average everywhere else and still be successful. Games are won and lost up front.

The halftime show was good. I was at a bar watching the game. As far as flow goes, I couldn't tell ya, I was drinking and mingling with the locals.

 

[CoachHansen05]

I enjoyed the game. I've heard a lot of people call it "sloppy", I just call that good defense and rather enjoyed it. I've about had it with offense, offense, offense. Von Miller officially became a man among boys last night, he's unreal.

Cam is Cam, people will forget about the interview in a couple of weeks. I like Cam, he's not Lebron, Cam is actually a man and isn't a punk. But I will tell you this, Cam got hit in the mouth last night and didn't like it. Denver pounded him and the rest of the Panthers offense. They stuck it to them. Carolina will be good against next year, they have a good team and will fix their holes.

I've always said it, in order to be good in the NFL you have to protect the QB and get to the QB. If you do those 2 things you can be average everywhere else and still be successful. Games are won and lost up front.

The halftime show was good. I was at a bar watching the game. As far as flow goes, I couldn't tell ya, I was drinking and mingling with the locals.

I disagree that "Cam is actually a man..." I can think of three instances in which he acted like a toddler who didn't get his way.

1. When defensive holding was called on Carolina in the end zone, Cam was so displeased with the call that he fell to the ground. My two-year old does that.
2. After a clean hit on the throw away on 3rd and long with just over two minutes to go in the game, he had something that looked like an epileptic seizure directed toward the official...also something a toddler does when throwing a tantrum.
3. Finally, his behavior during the press conference following the game was less than adult-like.

I'll leave it at that. As many in the media have said, he didn't do himself any favors changing people's perception of him.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

I disagree that "Cam is actually a man..." I can think of three instances in which he acted like a toddler who didn't get his way.

1. When defensive holding was called on Carolina in the end zone, Cam was so displeased with the call that he fell to the ground. My two-year old does that.
2. After a clean hit on the throw away on 3rd and long with just over two minutes to go in the game, he had something that looked like an epileptic seizure directed toward the official...also something a toddler does when throwing a tantrum.
3. Finally, his behavior during the press conference following the game was less than adult-like.

I'll leave it at that. As many in the media have said, he didn't do himself any favors changing people's perception of him.

Haters gonna hate

 

[Wild_Mustang]

I disagree that "Cam is actually a man..." I can think of three instances in which he acted like a toddler who didn't get his way.

1. When defensive holding was called on Carolina in the end zone, Cam was so displeased with the call that he fell to the ground. My two-year old does that.
2. After a clean hit on the throw away on 3rd and long with just over two minutes to go in the game, he had something that looked like an epileptic seizure directed toward the official...also something a toddler does when throwing a tantrum.
3. Finally, his behavior during the press conference following the game was less than adult-like.

I'll leave it at that. As many in the media have said, he didn't do himself any favors changing people's perception of him.

I agree with you on #1 and #3. Those were just immature moments he had. The majority of the season he handled himself well, but losing does bring out true character. I'm a Cam fan, hated him at Auburn, but have grown to like him and enjoy him. He'll be better for losing this game.

 

[GMAN81]

Haters gonna hate

I disagree with you. This has nothing to do with hate. I forgot about numbers 1 and 2 before reading the post of CoachHansen05. I think he is right and I agree with him. That doesn't make me a hater of Newton. You said losing does bring out true character and Newton failed in that regard last night.

However, with all that said the only problem I had with Carolina was the "in-your-face" winning they did. They forgot they had one more game to win. I believe a lot of them thought Denver was not going to be a real tough game.

Newton and the Carolina team lost their cool when they found out what Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady already knew about the Denver defense. Both New England and Pittsburgh played Denver twice this season and Brady and Roethlisberger gave the Broncos a better game than Newton did. Newton got rattled and several of his passes were off the mark. And we are talking about a QB (Newton) who is far more mobile than Brady or Roethlisberger.

A lot has been said about Peyton Manning's numbers not being all that good last night. Newton's numbers were abysmal. If telling the truth about his performance and attitude is defined as hate then we need to redefine what hate actually is.

Also, when I talk about "sloppy" I mean all of the penalties. Some incredibly stupid. Call it what you want. I call it sloppy. A few dropped passes too...but you get that in almost every game.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

The "haters gonna hate" was simply a joke, should have clarified that.

I actually agree with everything you said now that you've clarified it. I can't argue against it. I didn't know you were referring the penalties, in that regard I will agree with you. Although, there were 2 "unsportsmanlike conduct" calls that should NOT be called in the Super Bowl. They were nothing, nobody was in jeopardy of getting hurt. I thought you were talking about the turnovers, sacks, etc.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

However, with all that said the only problem I had with Carolina was the "in-your-face" winning they did.

Agreed...but if they win, they're considered one of the better teams of all time, Cam becomes a legend, their defense is considered a top 10 defense of all time and their "in your face" winning attitude would be a 30 for 30 twenty years from now (I might be exaggerating a little on some of those, but you get my point). Winning cures all. BUT they didn't win and none of that will happen. Like I said, I actually agree with you but I'm still a Cam fan, I think he's a good guy and not as bad as people make him out to be (not saying you are one of those people, just saying in general).

 

[GMAN81]

Wild Mustang:

My apology for misinterpreting your phrase. I thought you were serious.

Actually I like Cam Newton too...for the most part. Like I say, I don't like the in-your-face winning, especially if it's unprovoked. But other than that you are right about him. He is a good guy and good for the league.

With that said, I am NOT a young man. I remember ALL 50 Super Bowls although the first two aren't as clear as Super Bowl III forward. I did NOT like the idea of the '85 Bears making that stupid "Super Bowl Shuffle" video. I was pissed about that. They had just lost to Miami and there they were making a video like that. I was mad because they didn't win a thing yet. Of course they whipped through the rest of the season, playoffs and SB. So, they walked the walk.

Yes, winning cures all. 100% true. I find myself rarely rooting for the NFC in the SB, even though I am a Bears fan. There are a lot of teams in the NFC I detest. Only a couple in the AFC.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

I turned the game off after the refs missing the catch early in the game by Carolina and then two plays later the Bronco's scored.

On the good side, maybe it's the year of the Bronco...., hay? (Montini)??

The best part of the day was watching the 30/30 episode on ESPN of the 1985 Bears.

Wassup

 

[CoachHansen05]

I agree with you on #1 and #3. Those were just immature moments he had. The majority of the season he handled himself well, but losing does bring out true character. I'm a Cam fan, hated him at Auburn, but have grown to like him and enjoy him. He'll be better for losing this game.

I hope he learns from it. He's obviously a tremendous talent and is entertaining to watch when he plays well and has fun. No team needs an emotional roller coaster playing quarterback. If he dials down the extremes a bit, he should be fine.

 

[MC63]

I turned the game off after the refs missing the catch early in the game by Carolina and then two plays later the Bronco's scored.

On the good side, maybe it's the year of the Bronco...., hay? (Montini)??

The best part of the day was watching the 30/30 episode on ESPN of the 1985 Bears.

Wassup

I thought the 30/30 on the '85 Bears was outstanding. I saw all but one game at Soldier Field that year. Perry knocking George Cumby 10 feet in the air happened right in front of me. It was so pretty.

When Wilbur Marshall ran back that fumble as the snow began to fall ... it made up for all those years of futility. (Later, I heard a radio tape of the game where Dick Butkus went nuts describing the play.)

The night before the January '86 Rams game ... I was watching channel 9 news. The report showed the Rams after practice. They were in a competition where players threw footballs trying to hit the uprights. Without question, money was involved. All I could think was that the Rams were loose and not at all concerned about playing the Bears the next day. I got nervous. Then the reporter stated that the Bears were having a Saturday night meeting, but it concluded early when McMichael threw chairs and destroyed the blackboard. In the 30/30 film, McMichael said he threw chairs the night before the Giants game. All I can imagine is that he threw chairs both times. Regardless, I felt better and the next day was the greatest in-person moment in my Chicago pro sports fan life (until the Sox won the World Series.)

I recall that the Super Bowls that followed the Jets/ Colts were pretty boring. This year's would qualify for that.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I disagree that "Cam is actually a man..." I can think of three instances in which he acted like a toddler who didn't get his way.

1. When defensive holding was called on Carolina in the end zone, Cam was so displeased with the call that he fell to the ground. My two-year old does that.
2. After a clean hit on the throw away on 3rd and long with just over two minutes to go in the game, he had something that looked like an epileptic seizure directed toward the official...also something a toddler does when throwing a tantrum.
3. Finally, his behavior during the press conference following the game was less than adult-like.

I'll leave it at that. As many in the media have said, he didn't do himself any favors changing people's perception of him.

First I will state that I am not a Cam fan but I do think he is a really good ball player. I think he did well considering the game plan was horrible. My thoughts on 1,2 and 3.
1. I can not argue that however I do see similar actions from EVERYBODY in the league. Maybe not falling to the ground but helmet throwing, hand waving, etc. To me it all has the same affect.

2. It's easy for us watching TV to say a "clean" hit. Much more difficult for the person who actually got hit. Sometimes you can get hit so hard that you think two or three people was involved. The way the league has been protecting players, specifically the QB, I can't see that as being a problem. If you are looking to find negative, it is something to point out but I have seen ALL of the great ones, including Peyton whine after being hit hard. This is the current culture of the league with all of the protection. I am shock that they didn't call 15yards hands to the face on the first forced fumble by Miller.

3. I have no problems with him walking out. I thought it was rather dumb to have both teams having press conferences at the same time. To add insult to injury, you have the winning team pretty much celebrating and calling you out right next to you. They should have just interviewed him in the Broncos locker room. Who knows what he heard as he was waiting to get interviewed. What I watched and focused on was how he congratulated Peyton after the game. To me that is sportsmanship. Participating in the media circus is not a sign of good or bad character. I don't think players should have to answer a bunch of dumb questions. I think there should be a person that monitors the questions to ensure good journalism.

To sum it up, I am not of a fan of most of the crap that go on today, however I don't see it as being wrong. I don't think Cam should act like Peyton nor do I think Peyton should act like Cam. People are different and respect that. I like the fact that he isn't shy about being himself good or bad. I can respect that.

 

[CoachHansen05]

First I will state that I am not a Cam fan but I do think he is a really good ball player. I think he did well considering the game plan was horrible. My thoughts on 1,2 and 3.
1. I can not argue that however I do see similar actions from EVERYBODY in the league. Maybe not falling to the ground but helmet throwing, hand waving, etc. To me it all has the same affect.

2. It's easy for us watching TV to say a "clean" hit. Much more difficult for the person who actually got hit. Sometimes you can get hit so hard that you think two or three people was involved. The way the league has been protecting players, specifically the QB, I can't see that as being a problem. If you are looking to find negative, it is something to point out but I have seen ALL of the great ones, including Peyton whine after being hit hard. This is the current culture of the league with all of the protection. I am shock that they didn't call 15yards hands to the face on the first forced fumble by Miller.

3. I have no problems with him walking out. I thought it was rather dumb to have both teams having press conferences at the same time. To add insult to injury, you have the winning team pretty much celebrating and calling you out right next to you. They should have just interviewed him in the Broncos locker room. Who knows what he heard as he was waiting to get interviewed. What I watched and focused on was how he congratulated Peyton after the game. To me that is sportsmanship. Participating in the media circus is not a sign of good or bad character. I don't think players should have to answer a bunch of dumb questions. I think there should be a person that monitors the questions to ensure good journalism.

To sum it up, I am not of a fan of most of the crap that go on today, however I don't see it as being wrong. I don't think Cam should act like Peyton nor do I think Peyton should act like Cam. People are different and respect that. I like the fact that he isn't shy about being himself good or bad. I can respect that.

I appreciate your input. The main point I wanted to make is that he has a little growing up to do. I have never been a fan of guys who run their mouths and make a spectacle of themselves when things are going well, and then throw tantrums and/or pout when they're not. I agree that he's an incredible physical talent. If he gets a lid on his mind and emotions, then watch out. He could be a great one.

 

[GMAN81]

LHSTigers94:

I couldn't disagree with you more on some points.

But, I want to start with this. To make excuses for a person's poor behavior or poor performance is exactly what's wrong with too many people in this country. Newton played poorly...fact. The bottom line is execution. Denver did and Carolina didn't...fact. Just about any game plan will work if executed properly. I don't know what game you watched, but to say Newton did well tells me you didn't watch very closely. I would like to look it up but I would think his performance ranks far closer to the bottom than the top of SB performances.

As for the post game stuff. I don't think it's a good idea to put both teams together at the same time either. We agree on that. But, that does NOT excuse his walking out. You have a lot of ex-players saying he did the wrong thing there. I agree with them. To blame others for his behavior is silly and childish. Children blame others when they behave badly. What Newton did was wrong. No one is saying Newton should act like Peyton. But what they are saying is that Newton should have acted like a professional and he didn't.

I am wondering what it would have been like if the roles were reversed and Carolina had won. How would Peyton have handled a presser with both teams in the room? I don't know the exact answer, but I know he wouldn't have walked out of the room. He would have sat there and took it regardless of how hard or annoying it was.

How would Peyton have acted if his defense had been called for a crucial holding penalty near the end of the game? I am sure he wouldn't have like it, but I seriously doubt he wouldn't have thrown himself on the ground like a 2 year old. It's too bad we didn't have a shot of the Carolina defense when Newton fumbled deep in his own zone and didn't bother to make an attempt to recover his own fumble. I believe it was a writer for the Sun-Times who said Newton's decision to not make an attempt to recover that fumble was a "business" decision. BINGO!

No, I don't expect Newton to act like Manning, but it would be a vast improvement. The things I spelled out here about Newton showed a sign of selfishness and someone acting in an unprofessional way. But the excuse makers will let it go and justify his poor performance and behavior.

I don't feel sorry for Carolina. I picked them to win but rooted for Denver. Part of the reason was the same reason most people outside of Denver rooted for the Broncos. I got tired of the in-your-face winning they did. They took winning for granted, got beat and couldn't handle it. Newton acted like Superman. But the Denver defense brought Kryptonite to the game.

 

[LHSTigers94]

LHSTigers94:

I couldn't disagree with you more on some points.

But, I want to start with this. To make excuses for a person's poor behavior or poor performance is exactly what's wrong with too many people in this country. Newton played poorly...fact. The bottom line is execution. Denver did and Carolina didn't...fact. Just about any game plan will work if executed properly. I don't know what game you watched, but to say Newton did well tells me you didn't watch very closely. I would like to look it up but I would think his performance ranks far closer to the bottom than the top of SB performances.

As for the post game stuff. I don't think it's a good idea to put both teams together at the same time either. We agree on that. But, that does NOT excuse his walking out. You have a lot of ex-players saying he did the wrong thing there. I agree with them. To blame others for his behavior is silly and childish. Children blame others when they behave badly. What Newton did was wrong. No one is saying Newton should act like Peyton. But what they are saying is that Newton should have acted like a professional and he didn't.

I am wondering what it would have been like if the roles were reversed and Carolina had won. How would Peyton have handled a presser with both teams in the room? I don't know the exact answer, but I know he wouldn't have walked out of the room. He would have sat there and took it regardless of how hard or annoying it was.

How would Peyton have acted if his defense had been called for a crucial holding penalty near the end of the game? I am sure he wouldn't have like it, but I seriously doubt he wouldn't have thrown himself on the ground like a 2 year old. It's too bad we didn't have a shot of the Carolina defense when Newton fumbled deep in his own zone and didn't bother to make an attempt to recover his own fumble. I believe it was a writer for the Sun-Times who said Newton's decision to not make an attempt to recover that fumble was a "business" decision. BINGO!

No, I don't expect Newton to act like Manning, but it would be a vast improvement. The things I spelled out here about Newton showed a sign of selfishness and someone acting in an unprofessional way. But the excuse makers will let it go and justify his poor performance and behavior.

I don't feel sorry for Carolina. I picked them to win but rooted for Denver. Part of the reason was the same reason most people outside of Denver rooted for the Broncos. I got tired of the in-your-face winning they did. They took winning for granted, got beat and couldn't handle it. Newton acted like Superman. But the Denver defense brought Kryptonite to the game.

Mirakle,
I will start by saying IDGAF about what someone would have done in any situation. I didn't agree with Peyton walking off against the saints and not congratulating Drew. To me that is far worse than talking to the media answering dumb questions. That brings me to question of where did I make an excuse about anything. I stated that I don't blame him for walking out. I don't feel anyone has to put up with anything they are not comfortable with. Had he said what was on his mind its possible he may be suspended by league. If you feel yourself getting to that point, what do we teach? Just walk away. There is no excuse as I don't feel any of it was wrong.

As far as the game Denver and Carolina was one in the same on offense. Newton had 100 more passing yards compared to Peyton and 40 more rushing. (My numbers may be a little off). Bottom line is he had 300 yards of offense compared to Peyton's 151. Against Denver defense I will say that is not too bad. If you have time pull of the stats for the previous 3 QB's that face Denver D before the super bowl. Now that being said, the fact that they threw 41 times and pretty much ALL the pass plays were 10 plus yards down the field is a REAL BAD game plan. No different then a couple years back with Denver tried that against Seattle front four.

Where we differ is you want me to not like Cam and think his actions were childish. As I stated in my post, I don't think that and understand points 2 and 3. I am okay with having my own opinion and I am okay with you having yours. People are who they are and that is why I love America. To try and change a person because YOU don't like him or his actions is equally childish to me. You have an option to like or dislike him but, don't try to change a person to fit the mold you want him to be in. I don't care if he "Dab on em" or if Aaron Rodgers "Discount Double Check" as long as they both are being themselves.

For the record I have always thought that Manning was the most whining QB in the league. His sideline facial expressions where the worst of any QB. His body language on the sideline was ALWAYS questionable to me. Pull up film from the day when NE OWNED him. How soon we forget. If you don't like Cam fine but please don't pump up a guy who was the most animated QB in the league for a long time.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

LHSTigers94:

Newton acted like Superman. But the Denver defense brought Kryptonite to the game.

That's how you finish. Dr. Mirakle 1 LHSTigers 0

 

[LHSTigers94]

That's how you finish. Dr. Mirakle 1 LHSTigers 0

Newton was MVP THIS year so he was Superman. He also had the ONLY drive that resulted in a touchdown. Again, I am not a Newton fan nor do I care where he rank as an overall QB. What I watched was a horrible game plan that would have worked minus the 14 points that Carolina Offense gave Denver based on turnovers. One fumble recovery in the end zone and the other on the 5. I don't think Denver could have put together a touchdown scoring drive at any point during that game.

 

[GMAN81]

Oh come on LHS. What is this blather? Read my other posts and tell me exactly where I said I don't like Cam Newton. As a matter of fact I said I like him in my 4th post here. But you, like so many others, take criticism as a person possibly "not liking" the person they are criticizing. And for the record, whenever ANY QB whines I will call him out and I have. That is consistency. Where did I say I want you to "not like" Newton? Can you please point that out? That is silly and childish and I never wrote anything like that.

You are incorrect to think I am trying to change anyone in the NFL. That is nearly impossible. I simply said what Newton did in the presser was wrong. His actions on the sideline were wrong. His not attempting to recover his own fumble was wrong. I would say the same thing about any QB who did all of that. And he didn't play "well" as you say.

I don't give a flying F**k how many yards Newton threw for. He threw no TDs and one INT. He fumbled twice. One ended up being a TD and the other, which again, he felt like I didn't need to recover, led to the other Denver TD. But, what that said when a QB fumbles when he is hit I do cut them some slack.

Newton was 18 for 41 which is a completion percentage of 43.9%. If that is playing well, we need to redefine "playing well." And if you were watching, he had some open receivers in those incomplete passes. Yeah, there were a few drops too. Another thing, Newton got rattled which caused some of his wildness and loss of touch. His passer rating was an awful 55.4. THAT is not playing well. Fact is, a lot of his yards passing were YAC yards. He didn't play well and that's the end of it. I guarantee if anyone asked him if he played well he didn't say yes. As a matter of fact he said no. I will take his word over yours there. But, I saw what I saw. It isn't a matter of opinion whether he played well or not. I don't think he played awful, but he sure as hell didn't play well either.

We are talking about Newton here. Not comparing his performance to Manning's. I don't think Manning played well either. Without looking up I would guess there may not have ever been a SB played without either QB throwing at least on TD pass. I could be wrong.

You have your opinion and that's fine. I am not trying to change that no matter what you say. I am disagreeing. But don't try and tell me what my opinion is by changing things I wrote to make your point. The good thing about this thread is that everything I wrote is still out there.

Like I said, I like Cam Newton for the most part. I do not like the in-your-face winning because when you do that someone somewhere is gonna stick the ball up your a$$ and you had better know how to handle it. Maybe in the future, when he grows a little and matures he will understand that and be a little more humble in the winning. That goes for some of his teammates too.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Oh come on LHS. What is this blather? Read my other posts and tell me exactly where I said I don't like Cam Newton. As a matter of fact I said I like him in my 4th post here. But you, like so many others, take criticism as a person possibly "not liking" the person they are criticizing. And for the record, whenever ANY QB whines I will call him out and I have. That is consistency. Where did I say I want you to "not like" Newton? Can you please point that out? That is silly and childish and I never wrote anything like that.

You are incorrect to think I am trying to change anyone in the NFL. That is nearly impossible. I simply said what Newton did in the presser was wrong. His actions on the sideline were wrong. His not attempting to recover his own fumble was wrong. I would say the same thing about any QB who did all of that. And he didn't play "well" as you say.

I don't give a flying F**k how many yards Newton threw for. He threw no TDs and one INT. He fumbled twice. One ended up being a TD and the other, which again, he felt like I didn't need to recover, led to the other Denver TD. But, what that said when a QB fumbles when he is hit I do cut them some slack.

Newton was 18 for 41 which is a completion percentage of 43.9%. If that is playing well, we need to redefine "playing well." And if you were watching, he had some open receivers in those incomplete passes. Yeah, there were a few drops too. Another thing, Newton got rattled which caused some of his wildness and loss of touch. His passer rating was an awful 55.4. THAT is not playing well. Fact is, a lot of his yards passing were YAC yards. He didn't play well and that's the end of it. I guarantee if anyone asked him if he played well he didn't say yes. As a matter of fact he said no. I will take his word over yours there. But, I saw what I saw. It isn't a matter of opinion whether he played well or not. I don't think he played awful, but he sure as hell didn't play well either.

We are talking about Newton here. Not comparing his performance to Manning's. I don't think Manning played well either. Without looking up I would guess there may not have ever been a SB played without either QB throwing at least on TD pass. I could be wrong.

You have your opinion and that's fine. I am not trying to change that no matter what you say. I am disagreeing. But don't try and tell me what my opinion is by changing things I wrote to make your point. The good thing about this thread is that everything I wrote is still out there.

Like I said, I like Cam Newton for the most part. I do not like the in-your-face winning because when you do that someone somewhere is gonna stick the ball up your a$$ and you had better know how to handle it. Maybe in the future, when he grows a little and matures he will understand that and be a little more humble in the winning. That goes for some of his teammates too.

Read you previous post. If those are comments about a person you like, I would hate to be your enemy. Any way what's done is done. I see it differently and I can respect your view.

 

[GMAN81]

Read you previous post. If those are comments about a person you like, I would hate to be your enemy. Any way what's done is done. I see it differently and I can respect your view.

You are taking this personally. There is nothing personal here. You need to get past that. For instance, I like Corey Crawford of the Hawks. But when he plays badly I will criticize. It has NOTHING to do with how I feel about they guy.

As with Newton. I did criticize his actions. That doesn't mean I don't like him or anything like that.

I love each of my kids. I have criticized them and punished them when necessary when they were little. It didn't change how I feel about them or how they feel about me. They understood what I was doing.

This whole thing is so symptomatic of what's going on in this world. A coach criticizes a kid and right away the kid and the kid's parents say, "that coach doesn't like me or my kid." How do you know? A boss criticizes a young worker and the young worker goes back to his or her work station, cubicle, etc. and whines that the boss doesn't like them. How in hell do you know? Maybe these people are actually trying to help. Criticism is part of life. I don't know how many times I have read posts here railing against whining parents.

Frank Lenti is considered to be a great football coach. Do you think he ever criticized any of his players? Do you think he ever criticized their behavior? Do you think he doesn't like his players when he criticizes them? Based on what I see in your writing, you must think so. I guarantee you he is a LOT harder on them than anything I have written about Newton.

I have always said the very best coaches I had were the ones who were hardest on me. Same for teachers. I never took criticism personally from any of them. I once had a coach who said, "I will criticize and I will be hard on you. But when you should start worrying is if I stop talking to you." What I found was that they were able to push me and help me accomplish things I didn't think I could.

I know I am a little off subject there. But, people really need to stop taking criticism so personally. Criticism can actually be a very good thing if taken the right way. People need to stop being so damned sensitive. Criticism won't hurt a person if it's truthful and not done in an abusive way. But lying to them or telling them their actions, when wrong, are OK or blaming something else, can do a lot of damage.

 

[GMAN81]

LHS:

I'd like to ask you what year you graduated high school or college. I am just wondering if we have a generational gap going on here. I am not assuming the number 94 in your handle is your graduation year.

 

[LHSTigers94]

You are taking this personally. There is nothing personal here. You need to get past that. For instance, I like Corey Crawford of the Hawks. But when he plays badly I will criticize. It has NOTHING to do with how I feel about they guy.

As with Newton. I did criticize his actions. That doesn't mean I don't like him or anything like that.

I love each of my kids. I have criticized them and punished them when necessary when they were little. It didn't change how I feel about them or how they feel about me. They understood what I was doing.

This whole thing is so symptomatic of what's going on in this world. A coach criticizes a kid and right away the kid and the kid's parents say, "that coach doesn't like me or my kid." How do you know? A boss criticizes a young worker and the young worker goes back to his or her work station, cubicle, etc. and whines that the boss doesn't like them. How in hell do you know? Maybe these people are actually trying to help. Criticism is part of life. I don't know how many times I have read posts here railing against whining parents.

Frank Lenti is considered to be a great football coach. Do you think he ever criticized any of his players? Do you think he ever criticized their behavior? Do you think he doesn't like his players when he criticizes them? Based on what I see in your writing, you must think so. I guarantee you he is a LOT harder on them than anything I have written about Newton.

I have always said the very best coaches I had were the ones who were hardest on me. Same for teachers. I never took criticism personally from any of them. I once had a coach who said, "I will criticize and I will be hard on you. But when you should start worrying is if I stop talking to you." What I found was that they were able to push me and help me accomplish things I didn't think I could.

I know I am a little off subject there. But, people really need to stop taking criticism so personally. Criticism can actually be a very good thing if taken the right way. People need to stop being so damned sensitive. Criticism won't hurt a person if it's truthful and not done in an abusive way. But lying to them or telling them their actions, when wrong, are OK or blaming something else, can do a lot of damage.

Mirakle,
You missed my complete point. I don't have a problem with you criticizing Cam or anyone. I disagree with the posters three reason and I explained that. You went on to prove your point by using another QB as an example. I think differently. I explained that. I spoke about the game plan and how horrible it was (Asking Cam to throw the ball 41 times in a close game is horrible). You happen to disagree and I am okay with that. You can see it how you want. I personally don't think he acted like superman by celebrating his touchdowns. To me it is the same as every other player that celebrate in the NFL. You have receivers celebrate a first down. You have DL celebrate a sack. You have every QB in the league do some form of celebration every time they throw a TD pass. I disagree with singling a person out and calling their action childish yet I don't see the same being done for others. The same QB you used as an example walked off the field and didn't shake the opposing QB hand. Somehow that isn't childish but Cam walking out of a press conference after being agitated is. Like I said before we see it differently. It has absolutely nothing to do with generation gap as I would have criticized Cam more had he not congratulated Peyton after the game. To me sportsmanship is about the individuals competing against each other. Press conferences are tools to create conversation however I consider them meaningless when looking at character.

By design a player have to lie when answer questions to reframe from violating code. When asked what did your coach say in the locker room, well all players know locker room is locker room and usually everything stays in the locker room. Had he answered truthfully some people, including Cam would be questioned or ridiculed. What would any coach say that just lost a Superbowl. Most likely the use of foul language was rampant. Add to the fact while answering pour questions you have to hear the winning team brag about how they shut you down all while keeping a smile on your face. I call BS. In my opinion the right thing to do is walk away. As much as people may want them to be puppets or robots, they are not. They are human and have emotions. I don't agree with domestic violence however I don't agree with a woman agitating a man and challenge him.

The only difference between back in the day and now is at one point you could decline the interview and prevent yourself from being in that situation. Now it is a fine and in some cases suspension. No I don't believe that when someone smack the crap out of you that standing there and taking it is the only way. I never felt his celebrations were excessive nor did it warrant all the hoopla before the Super Bowl. I feel it was blown out of proportion and the interview was pure retaliation.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

The bigger item to me, is why Cam acted like the football was a grenade after he fumbled?

 

[LHSTigers94]

The bigger item to me, is why Cam acted like the football was a grenade after he fumbled?

Now that is a good question and I don't think any excuse will be good enough.

 

[CoachHansen05]

The bigger item to me, is why Cam acted like the football was a grenade after he fumbled?

His response to that question was that he was concerned about getting hurt if he dove on the ball.