sure Garza had a dominating performance...

[haywood jahblowme]

but most people NU plays will have a 25 point guy

the big factor was the made threes.

iowa - 10/22
NU - 5/17

5 more 3s = 15 points

and NU had ALOT of wide open looks

other areas.
TO:
iowa - 3
NU -5

FG: (5 more made threes)
iowa - 26
NU - 21

FT:
iowa - 13/15
NU - 15/21

rebounds:
iowa - 32
NU - 36

really a very close game aside from the made 3s. good to see nance come back strong with a double/double and young was solid against a big front line. awesome for beran to continue to play well (maybe too aggressive today). jones was solid. kopp was very good but fizzled at the end. spencer was a dud today unfortunately. turner was a solid role player.

 

[Hungry Jack]

Garza was very good. Love his game.

But he got cocky late when he keyed that run that put it out of reach. He blew a kiss to our cheerleaders.

I’d like to see his butt on a pointy stick.

 

[ubercat]

As Pile Driver cogently observed: Garza = Herman Munster.

 

[torque-cat]

Garza was very good. Love his game.

But he got cocky late when he keyed that run that put it out of reach. He blew a kiss to our cheerleaders.

I’d like to see his butt on a pointy stick.

Cheerleaders or fans?

 

[CappyNU]

Was definitely directed at some students behind the basket who were presumably heckling him. Might have been football players. Garza is a great basketball player, but he easily makes my starting lineup for most obnoxious players in the conference. Davidson from Wisconsin is there too.

 

[torque-cat]

Was definitely directed at some students behind the basket who were presumably heckling him. Might have been football players. Garza is a great basketball player, but he easily makes my starting lineup for most obnoxious players in the conference. Davidson from Wisconsin is there too.

Is he normally like that? It did look obnoxious but if our fans are heckling him seems he has every right.

 

[NUCat320]

The blown kiss was awesome. This is fun.

I assume the fans who were on the receiving end loved it. It’s the ultimate prize for a solid night of heckling (assuming a win and a 2 for 15 night aren’t accomplished).

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Was definitely directed at some students behind the basket who were presumably heckling him. Might have been football players. Garza is a great basketball player, but he easily makes my starting lineup for most obnoxious players in the conference. Davidson from Wisconsin is there too.

It was the football players led by RCB. He woofs a lot too.

 

[GatoLouco]

Our plan for Garza seemed to be to double team him when he received the ball down low. It back fired spectacularly when he scored the first 10. Of those, 6 were threes, and the rest were moves so quick the double team never had a chance to get there.

Then Young got into foul trouble. Did not help. So did Garza. And they still went on to score 41 in the 1st half.

We could have elected to play zone because of Garza. We've been in love with zone all season. And we didn't. We could have elected to attempt to stay in front of him. When he got the ball to just keep arms up. Ultimately probably having him go off to 40 points. But focusing on shutting down the rest of the Iowa team and their 3 point shooting.

Ultimately, imo, it was not a bad plan. But it failed spectacularly.

We went to zone in the 1st when score was like 12-12. Why? No idea. Foul trouble did not justify it. Soon after Garza was sitting with foul trouble. When he came back in we were back to man to man because, against the zone Iowa was jacking 3's up like they were throwing candy on a parade.

Garza is a lot to deal with. His work without the ball is Shaq'iesque. The way he seals the defender behind him when the ball switches positions is that of an elite big. Most NBA bigs don't have it. In the 2nd half he feasted on it. 27 points in 24 minutes is pretty amazing. Iowa was mature enough to very clearly look for him. Work for him. Something we could learn a thing or two from. As we look for zero mismatches.

On the other hand, Wieskamp was quiet.

We were just outplayed by a better team, with a solid plan on how to beat whatever we threw at them.

Threes not falling? Without Buie we are a low 60's team if a game is tight (except against 4 guard Nebby). We've had plenty of evidence of that. We are not an offensive juggernaut. When we do not look for mismatches and have zero low post play, shots tend to fall less. So believing we lost because we missed 3's is BS. We either slow down the other offense considerably, which we are actually fairly good at, or we don't stand a chance to win games. Not until and if Buie goes off.

Tired? BS. How is it that we are the ones who lose because of our legs, against a team that does not rotate more than we do? They used 3 bench players for 63 minutes. We used 4, for 63 (61 if you do not count Malnati). If we are more tired than Iowa, losing because of failing legs, then our coaching staff needs to go back to school to learn conditioning. What a load of crap.

It did not bother me to lose. Yesterday's game was representative of what I expected for the season. Feeling the other team has a better game plan than we do. Hang around for a while, ultimately fall behind by close to 20. Close out the game down 10, looking like a tighter game than it was in reality. Minny game was the same.

We got the positives of seeing flashes of Beran (I was dreaming of a future where he goes off for 40 in a game). Kopp and AJ were decent. Excellent if the game was just 20 minutes. Nance was OK. Young was good offensively while he was on the court. Our guys fought hard, no lack of that.

Wow, this got long.

 

[willycat]

Cheerleaders or fans?

What's the difference. That *** wipe blowing kisses was bush!

 

[willycat]

Is he normally like that? It did look obnoxious but if our fans are heckling him seems he has every right.

Guess he does have the right to act like an *** but it was just a smart *** stunt.

 

[Medill90]

Given how Iowa hit their threes in the first half, this game should have been over at half time. Given how Iowa shot the entire game, should have been a 30 pt blow out.

I'm not suggesting some type of moral victory. Just haven't seen a team shoot like that consistently over a game.

NU's shooting was not good. This team struggles to hit from distance, given how ready they are to shoot it from distance. Lots of mid range to near in shots are left short. Confidence and strength are issues with younger teams.

Beran, though. Beran is happy to mix it up and doesn't hesitate.

 

[Jonny2TheP]

Given how Iowa hit their threes in the first half, this game should have been over at half time. Given how Iowa shot the entire game, should have been a 30 pt blow out.

I'm not suggesting some type of moral victory. Just haven't seen a team shoot like that consistently over a game.

NU's shooting was not good. This team struggles to hit from distance, given how ready they are to shoot it from distance. Lots of mid range to near in shots are left short. Confidence and strength are issues with younger teams.

Beran, though. Beran is happy to mix it up and doesn't hesitate.

I talk a ton of college basketball with a guy at work who watches a ton of games. I told him coming into this one that I felt we matched up worse against Iowa than any other team in the conference because of their ability to score. And it's not only Garza, as they have several other contributors as well.

I'm with you that the loss could have been even uglier if we didn't have a good 1st half. Iowa played really well. They do a fantastic job of feeding Garza inside and running a lot of their offense through him. When they are hitting their shots, they are a very dangerous team. They are the type of team that could get hot and make a run in the tournament...but with their inconsistency (especially on the defensive end), they could be knocked out 1st round easily.

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

It was the football players led by RCB. He woofs a lot too.

Who is RCB.

 

[Jonny2TheP]

Who is RCB.

Ramaud Chiaokhiao-Bowman...Wide Receiver on the football team.

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

but most people NU plays will have a 25 point guy

the big factor was the made threes.

iowa - 10/22
NU - 5/17

5 more 3s = 15 points

and NU had ALOT of wide open looks

other areas.
TO:
iowa - 3
NU -5

FG: (5 more made threes)
iowa - 26
NU - 21

FT:
iowa - 13/15
NU - 15/21

rebounds:
iowa - 32
NU - 36

really a very close game aside from the made 3s. good to see nance come back strong with a double/double and young was solid against a big front line. awesome for beran to continue to play well (maybe too aggressive today). jones was solid. kopp was very good but fizzled at the end. spencer was a dud today unfortunately. turner was a solid role player.

Haywood, are you getting any idea when Buie will back. Ho would be very helpful as we are very short handed and fatigued.

This question brings up another. Why didn’t we bring in another fifth year guy to protect against these emergencies, which are sure to occur. If you don’t bring them in, one has to believe you have a lots of faith in your walk ons. However, they never play.

 

[Titanium999]

but most people NU plays will have a 25 point guy

the big factor was the made threes.

iowa - 10/22
NU - 5/17

5 more 3s = 15 points

and NU had ALOT of wide open looks

other areas.
TO:
iowa - 3
NU -5

FG: (5 more made threes)
iowa - 26
NU - 21

FT:
iowa - 13/15
NU - 15/21

rebounds:
iowa - 32
NU - 36

really a very close game aside from the made 3s. good to see nance come back strong with a double/double and young was solid against a big front line. awesome for beran to continue to play well (maybe too aggressive today). jones was solid. kopp was very good but fizzled at the end. spencer was a dud today unfortunately. turner was a solid role player.

Agreed

 

[CappyNU]

Our plan for Garza seemed to be to double team him when he received the ball down low. It back fired spectacularly when he scored the first 10. Of those, 6 were threes, and the rest were moves so quick the double team never had a chance to get there.

Then Young got into foul trouble. Did not help. So did Garza. And they still went on to score 41 in the 1st half.

We could have elected to play zone because of Garza. We've been in love with zone all season. And we didn't. We could have elected to attempt to stay in front of him. When he got the ball to just keep arms up. Ultimately probably having him go off to 40 points. But focusing on shutting down the rest of the Iowa team and their 3 point shooting.

Ultimately, imo, it was not a bad plan. But it failed spectacularly.

We went to zone in the 1st when score was like 12-12. Why? No idea. Foul trouble did not justify it. Soon after Garza was sitting with foul trouble. When he came back in we were back to man to man because, against the zone Iowa was jacking 3's up like they were throwing candy on a parade.

Garza is a lot to deal with. His work without the ball is Shaq'iesque. The way he seals the defender behind him when the ball switches positions is that of an elite big. Most NBA bigs don't have it. In the 2nd half he feasted on it. 27 points in 24 minutes is pretty amazing. Iowa was mature enough to very clearly look for him. Work for him. Something we could learn a thing or two from. As we look for zero mismatches.

On the other hand, Wieskamp was quiet.

We were just outplayed by a better team, with a solid plan on how to beat whatever we threw at them.

Threes not falling? Without Buie we are a low 60's team if a game is tight (except against 4 guard Nebby). We've had plenty of evidence of that. We are not an offensive juggernaut. When we do not look for mismatches and have zero low post play, shots tend to fall less. So believing we lost because we missed 3's is BS. We either slow down the other offense considerably, which we are actually fairly good at, or we don't stand a chance to win games. Not until and if Buie goes off.

Tired? BS. How is it that we are the ones who lose because of our legs, against a team that does not rotate more than we do? They used 3 bench players for 63 minutes. We used 4, for 63 (61 if you do not count Malnati). If we are more tired than Iowa, losing because of failing legs, then our coaching staff needs to go back to school to learn conditioning. What a load of crap.

It did not bother me to lose. Yesterday's game was representative of what I expected for the season. Feeling the other team has a better game plan than we do. Hang around for a while, ultimately fall behind by close to 20. Close out the game down 10, looking like a tighter game than it was in reality. Minny game was the same.

We got the positives of seeing flashes of Beran (I was dreaming of a future where he goes off for 40 in a game). Kopp and AJ were decent. Excellent if the game was just 20 minutes. Nance was OK. Young was good offensively while he was on the court. Our guys fought hard, no lack of that.

Wow, this got long.

We went to zone in the 1st half because Garza had just scored 10 in a row on us, which forced him low below the basket and he subsequently missed his next 2 shots, then didn't attempt another shot for the next 4 and a half minutes before picking up his 1st foul and subbing out. Came back in 2 and a half minutes later and went another 3 minutes without a shot before missing a 3 and then picking up his 2nd foul. Should we have switched back to man while he was sitting? Maybe.

The problem was that in the 1st half, Iowa's backup PG, averaging 0.6 points/game in B1G play and 1-9 from 3, scored 8 including 2 3s and Iowa's previously injured sharpshooter came back after 2 games out to score 9 on 3 3s. The 'Cats did a great job limiting Garza and Wieskamp in the 1st half but Iowa's depth players stepped up, and Iowa's unselfish ball movement (13 assists on 15 made FGs in the 1st half, all 11 FGs in 2nd half had assists) kept them going all night.

 

[NJCat]

Haywood, are you getting any idea when Buie will back. Ho would be very helpful as we are very short handed and fatigued.

.

Collins said after the Nebraska game they wold reevaluate Buie today And note that his injury is a "stress reaction", not a stress fracture. The Iowa guard was also out with a stress reaction and he returned for the NU game last night.

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

Collins said after the Nebraska game they wold reevaluate Buie today And note that his injury is a "stress reaction", not a stress fracture. The Iowa guard was also out with a stress reaction and he returned for the NU game last night.

That sounds more like severe case of shin splints, which is not fun. Do you know how long the Iowa guy was out.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Our plan for Garza seemed to be to double team him when he received the ball down low. It back fired spectacularly when he scored the first 10. Of those, 6 were threes, and the rest were moves so quick the double team never had a chance to get there.

Then Young got into foul trouble. Did not help. So did Garza. And they still went on to score 41 in the 1st half.

We could have elected to play zone because of Garza. We've been in love with zone all season. And we didn't. We could have elected to attempt to stay in front of him. When he got the ball to just keep arms up. Ultimately probably having him go off to 40 points. But focusing on shutting down the rest of the Iowa team and their 3 point shooting.

Ultimately, imo, it was not a bad plan. But it failed spectacularly.

We went to zone in the 1st when score was like 12-12. Why? No idea. Foul trouble did not justify it. Soon after Garza was sitting with foul trouble. When he came back in we were back to man to man because, against the zone Iowa was jacking 3's up like they were throwing candy on a parade.

Garza is a lot to deal with. His work without the ball is Shaq'iesque. The way he seals the defender behind him when the ball switches positions is that of an elite big. Most NBA bigs don't have it. In the 2nd half he feasted on it. 27 points in 24 minutes is pretty amazing. Iowa was mature enough to very clearly look for him. Work for him. Something we could learn a thing or two from. As we look for zero mismatches.

On the other hand, Wieskamp was quiet.

We were just outplayed by a better team, with a solid plan on how to beat whatever we threw at them.

Threes not falling? Without Buie we are a low 60's team if a game is tight (except against 4 guard Nebby). We've had plenty of evidence of that. We are not an offensive juggernaut. When we do not look for mismatches and have zero low post play, shots tend to fall less. So believing we lost because we missed 3's is BS. We either slow down the other offense considerably, which we are actually fairly good at, or we don't stand a chance to win games. Not until and if Buie goes off.

Tired? BS. How is it that we are the ones who lose because of our legs, against a team that does not rotate more than we do? They used 3 bench players for 63 minutes. We used 4, for 63 (61 if you do not count Malnati). If we are more tired than Iowa, losing because of failing legs, then our coaching staff needs to go back to school to learn conditioning. What a load of crap.

It did not bother me to lose. Yesterday's game was representative of what I expected for the season. Feeling the other team has a better game plan than we do. Hang around for a while, ultimately fall behind by close to 20. Close out the game down 10, looking like a tighter game than it was in reality. Minny game was the same.

We got the positives of seeing flashes of Beran (I was dreaming of a future where he goes off for 40 in a game). Kopp and AJ were decent. Excellent if the game was just 20 minutes. Nance was OK. Young was good offensively while he was on the court. Our guys fought hard, no lack of that.

Wow, this got long.

when college teams play four games in ten days the kids wear down. this is 100% accurate. you disagree?

 

[GatoLouco]

very short handed and fatigued.

It was floated we played 4 games in 10 days. We played 4 games from the 5th trough the 14th. Iowa played 4 games from the 4th to the 14th. But most significant is the time since the last game. How much we had o rest. We had 3 days, Iowa had 4 days.

It was abundantly floated we were fatigued. Not counting Malnati we used 3 bench players for 61 minutes. Iowa used 3 for 63 minutes.

To give some perspective, the B1G teams that played yesterday

Team/days since last game/bench players used/bench minutes
NU - 4/3/3/61
Iowa - 4/4/3/63

Maryland - 4/4/4/54
Wisky - 4/3/4/67

Nebby - 4/3/4/44 (Not counting Arop as it's like counting Malnati)
OSU - 4/3/2/27 (Not counting Gaffney and Hummer as it's like counting Malnati)

How are we fatigued compared to other teams? Ohio State must have been dead by the end of the game. How are we going to play the conference tournament? Can we even afford to practice?

 

[GatoLouco]

when college teams play four games in ten days the kids wear down. this is 100% accurate. you disagree?

Sure. They do. But so do other teams.

Smells a lot like excuses to me. If we are more tired than others, that's on us and lack of proper preparation.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Haywood, are you getting any idea when Buie will back. Ho would be very helpful as we are very short handed and fatigued.

This question brings up another. Why didn’t we bring in another fifth year guy to protect against these emergencies, which are sure to occur. If you don’t bring them in, one has to believe you have a lots of faith in your walk ons. However, they never play.

kareem south went to cal berekly because he didn't think he woul get enough playing time and freeman-liberty was not admitted.

generally it takes about 3 weeks. usually two weeks from the first diagnosis for rehab and to medically get back on the court. then a time period of a week or so to build up a healthy level of activity and make sure it doesn't flair back up in the best case scenario.

if its bad stress fracture it could be 6-8 weeks to re-establish bone

 

[haywood jahblowme]

but most people NU plays will have a 25 point guy

the big factor was the made threes.

iowa - 10/22
NU - 5/17

5 more 3s = 15 points

and NU had ALOT of wide open looks

other areas.
TO:
iowa - 3
NU -5

FG: (5 more made threes)
iowa - 26
NU - 21

FT:
iowa - 13/15
NU - 15/21

rebounds:
iowa - 32
NU - 36

really a very close game aside from the made 3s. good to see nance come back strong with a double/double and young was solid against a big front line. awesome for beran to continue to play well (maybe too aggressive today). jones was solid. kopp was very good but fizzled at the end. spencer was a dud today unfortunately. turner was a solid role player.

this is why i disagree when some say CCC has a bad offense. NU gets so many wide open looks. as talent gets better - those shots will fall. exited to see kopp, buie, audige, and berry as shooters next year

 

[haywood jahblowme]

Sure. They do. But so do other teams.

Smells a lot like excuses to me. If we are more tired than others, that's on us and lack of proper preparation.

i have heard other coaches say this during their press conferences too though about a "brutal stretch" or even for 3 games in a week, especially how the big ten schedules games now. so its not like CCC is making that up or lying

 

[hdhntr1]

but most people NU plays will have a 25 point guy

the big factor was the made threes.

iowa - 10/22
NU - 5/17

5 more 3s = 15 points

and NU had ALOT of wide open looks

other areas.
TO:
iowa - 3
NU -5

FG: (5 more made threes)
iowa - 26
NU - 21

FT:
iowa - 13/15
NU - 15/21

rebounds:
iowa - 32
NU - 36

really a very close game aside from the made 3s. good to see nance come back strong with a double/double and young was solid against a big front line. awesome for beran to continue to play well (maybe too aggressive today). jones was solid. kopp was very good but fizzled at the end. spencer was a dud today unfortunately. turner was a solid role player.

I thought the deciding play was when Young was called for his third foul a few seconds into the second half. Changed the whole complexion of the game. Especially once Jones got his third, Young was put back in and almost immediately got called for his fourth. Till then we were playing them pretty close. It was then that we had no answer for Garza. It seemed like both fouls on Young were pretty weak.

Overall, really liked the way that we were playing. Nance was playing much more like a 6'10" guy taking it to the basket. And over all the way we were playing until foul trouble for our bigs. Kopp seemed to have lost his legs as our bench is a bit too thin. Seems to be a story that is repeating. He starts by hitting everything and then in the second half, just does not have the legs. Needs to get stronger and needs to be spelled more. Beran really coming on.

I thought I had seen at the stadium that they had 11 threes but maybe it was the shot by Garza that was ruled a two.

 

[GatoLouco]

i have heard other coaches say this during their press conferences too though about a "brutal stretch" or even for 3 games in a week, especially how the big ten schedules games now. so its not like CCC is making that up or lying

It's not about lying. It takes a toll. But it takes a toll on everyone. Not just on NU. We had one less day to recover than Iowa. But we did not have to travel. If we are tired, so are others.

Ohio State had the same days to recover. Used 2 players off the bench, for 27 minutes. Had to travel to Bloomington. Played a Nebraska team that, like Iowa, likes to push the tempo.

Everyone is affected. We are not the poor team that got screwed by the schedule. We lost fair and square because they were better.

 

[TheC]

I talk a ton of college basketball with a guy at work who watches a ton of games. I told him coming into this one that I felt we matched up worse against Iowa than any other team in the conference because of their ability to score. And it's not only Garza, as they have several other contributors as well.

I'm with you that the loss could have been even uglier if we didn't have a good 1st half. Iowa played really well. They do a fantastic job of feeding Garza inside and running a lot of their offense through him. When they are hitting their shots, they are a very dangerous team. They are the type of team that could get hot and make a run in the tournament...but with their inconsistency (especially on the defensive end), they could be knocked out 1st round easily.

I actually thought we looked like the better team in the first half. We were dominating them in the paint and on the glass. We were getting lots of open looks. The difference was that they knocked down their 3-pointers and we didn't.

 

[hdhntr1]

The blown kiss was awesome. This is fun.

I assume the fans who were on the receiving end loved it. It’s the ultimate prize for a solid night of heckling (assuming a win and a 2 for 15 night aren’t accomplished).

Having him miss his shots is the ultimate prize. Getting the kiss after he hits everything is not.

 

[Medill90]

this is why i disagree when some say CCC has a bad offense. NU gets so many wide open looks. as talent gets better - those shots will fall. exited to see kopp, buie, audige, and berry as shooters next year

your not going to win many Big Ten games shooting 36% from the field...not from three...from the field

Iowa shot 45% from three

NU had a lot of open looks....and many short to mid range shots...and a few layups...that should have been makes

I asked early in the year what the deal was with Collins' offense....I think the team has looked v. good on both sides of the ball in conference games

I also think we've seen a much milder Collins this year in terms of how he relates to players

 

[Medill90]

I thought the deciding play was when Young was called for his third foul a few seconds into the second half. Changed the whole complexion of the game. Especially once Jones got his third, Young was put back in and almost immediately got called for his fourth. Till then we were playing them pretty close. It was then that we had no answer for Garza. It seemed like both fouls on Young were pretty weak.

Overall, really liked the way that we were playing. Nance was playing much more like a 6'10" guy taking it to the basket. And over all the way we were playing until foul trouble for our bigs. Kopp seemed to have lost his legs as our bench is a bit too thin. Seems to be a story that is repeating. He starts by hitting everything and then in the second half, just does not have the legs. Needs to get stronger and needs to be spelled more. Beran really coming on.

I thought I had seen at the stadium that they had 11 threes but maybe it was the shot by Garza that was ruled a two.

There was a post play that really stuck out to me....Young got caught too deep under the basket defending Garza....Garza caught the ball and before going up, stuck his left elbow into Young's mid section. No call.

Not a dirty or flagrant call at all by Garza. But it should have been called. Would have put Garza on the bench for extended minutes.

I think the college refs are pretty lost on post play. They call what they think they see and don't call what they see.

 

[NJCat]

That sounds more like severe case of shin splints, which is not fun. Do you know how long the Iowa guy was out.

CJ Fredrick played against PSU on Jan 4 and returned for the NU game yesterday, so 9 or 10 days depending how you count them.

 

[hdhntr1]

Our plan for Garza seemed to be to double team him when he received the ball down low. It back fired spectacularly when he scored the first 10. Of those, 6 were threes, and the rest were moves so quick the double team never had a chance to get there.

Then Young got into foul trouble. Did not help. So did Garza. And they still went on to score 41 in the 1st half.

We could have elected to play zone because of Garza. We've been in love with zone all season. And we didn't. We could have elected to attempt to stay in front of him. When he got the ball to just keep arms up. Ultimately probably having him go off to 40 points. But focusing on shutting down the rest of the Iowa team and their 3 point shooting.

Ultimately, imo, it was not a bad plan. But it failed spectacularly.

We went to zone in the 1st when score was like 12-12. Why? No idea. Foul trouble did not justify it. Soon after Garza was sitting with foul trouble. When he came back in we were back to man to man because, against the zone Iowa was jacking 3's up like they were throwing candy on a parade.

Garza is a lot to deal with. His work without the ball is Shaq'iesque. The way he seals the defender behind him when the ball switches positions is that of an elite big. Most NBA bigs don't have it. In the 2nd half he feasted on it. 27 points in 24 minutes is pretty amazing. Iowa was mature enough to very clearly look for him. Work for him. Something we could learn a thing or two from. As we look for zero mismatches.

On the other hand, Wieskamp was quiet.

We were just outplayed by a better team, with a solid plan on how to beat whatever we threw at them.

Threes not falling? Without Buie we are a low 60's team if a game is tight (except against 4 guard Nebby). We've had plenty of evidence of that. We are not an offensive juggernaut. When we do not look for mismatches and have zero low post play, shots tend to fall less. So believing we lost because we missed 3's is BS. We either slow down the other offense considerably, which we are actually fairly good at, or we don't stand a chance to win games. Not until and if Buie goes off.

Tired? BS. How is it that we are the ones who lose because of our legs, against a team that does not rotate more than we do? They used 3 bench players for 63 minutes. We used 4, for 63 (61 if you do not count Malnati). If we are more tired than Iowa, losing because of failing legs, then our coaching staff needs to go back to school to learn conditioning. What a load of crap.

It did not bother me to lose. Yesterday's game was representative of what I expected for the season. Feeling the other team has a better game plan than we do. Hang around for a while, ultimately fall behind by close to 20. Close out the game down 10, looking like a tighter game than it was in reality. Minny game was the same.

We got the positives of seeing flashes of Beran (I was dreaming of a future where he goes off for 40 in a game). Kopp and AJ were decent. Excellent if the game was just 20 minutes. Nance was OK. Young was good offensively while he was on the court. Our guys fought hard, no lack of that.

Wow, this got long.

It is not just that were were not hitting threes but that the same time, they were. As far as tired, we have a thin bench comprised mainly of Frosh and Sophs. Kopp was most noticeable as he started out about 4 of 5 or 6 and then ended up 5-17. He played 34 minutes. We were especially hurt by the fouls at center. Young was only able to log 18 minutes and Jones even less. As far as staying with them, we were able to until foul problems sidelined Young. Till then it was a 4-5 pt game

 

[hdhntr1]

It was floated we played 4 games in 10 days. We played 4 games from the 5th trough the 14th. Iowa played 4 games from the 4th to the 14th. But most significant is the time since the last game. How much we had o rest. We had 3 days, Iowa had 4 days.

It was abundantly floated we were fatigued. Not counting Malnati we used 3 bench players for 61 minutes. Iowa used 3 for 63 minutes.

To give some perspective, the B1G teams that played yesterday

Team/days since last game/bench players used/bench minutes
NU - 4/3/3/61
Iowa - 4/4/3/63

Maryland - 4/4/4/54
Wisky - 4/3/4/67

Nebby - 4/3/4/44 (Not counting Arop as it's like counting Malnati)
OSU - 4/3/2/27 (Not counting Gaffney and Hummer as it's like counting Malnati)

How are we fatigued compared to other teams? Ohio State must have been dead by the end of the game. How are we going to play the conference tournament? Can we even afford to practice?

But I think we are also the youngest team in BIG. We started two FY and 2 Sophs. And younger players tend to wear down faster. Add in foul trouble

 

[NJCat]

[QUOTE="hdhntr1, post: 700418, member: 640" As far as tired, we have a thin bench comprised mainly of Frosh and Sophs. Kopp was most noticeable as he started out about 4 of 5 or 6 and then ended up 5-17. He played 34 minutes. We were especially hurt by the fouls at center. Young was only able to log 18 minutes and Jones even less. As far as staying with them, we were able to until foul problems sidelined Young. Till then it was a 4-5 pt game[/QUOTE]
Do you realize Iowa only played 8 guys, same as NU (if you exclude the garbage time 2 minutes Tino played)? Their bench played 63 minutes, NU's bench 62. Why should they be less tired than NU? The only argument is that their 3 bench men are older than the 3 NU bench guys, although NU did have AJ (5th year SR) off the bench.

A better answer is NU just isn't as good as Iowa yet.

 

[hdhntr1]

[QUOTE="hdhntr1, post: 700418, member: 640" As far as tired, we have a thin bench comprised mainly of Frosh and Sophs. Kopp was most noticeable as he started out about 4 of 5 or 6 and then ended up 5-17. He played 34 minutes. We were especially hurt by the fouls at center. Young was only able to log 18 minutes and Jones even less. As far as staying with them, we were able to until foul problems sidelined Young. Till then it was a 4-5 pt game

Do you realize Iowa only played 8 guys, same as NU (if you exclude the garbage time 2 minutes Tino played)? Their bench played 63 minutes, NU's bench 62. Why should they be less tired than NU? The only argument is that their 3 bench men are older than the 3 NU bench guys, although NU did have AJ (5th year SR) off the bench.

A better answer is NU just isn't as good as Iowa yet.[/QUOTE]
But we are playing FY and Sophs and they are basically a year older. That makes a huge difference in amount of minutes that they can play at a high level. That they are better at this point is natural but it is also true that the additional year usually helps with the ability to handle the minutes

 

[GatoLouco]

A better answer is NU just isn't as good as Iowa yet.

Thank you.

Like you, I am optimistic on the "yet" part. I think we have the conditions to be better than them in the future.

We missed 3's, they were hot from 3, we got tired, blah blah blah... We also got a ton of 2nd chance points we usually don't. Can't have it both ways. Without those we'd be down by double digits at the half.

If there's a moment we lost the game was when they switched to zone. We were putting up points on the board at a higher tick than we usually do. Kopp was particularly great. They switched and our offense went to "against Purdue" levels.

 

[NJCat]

[/QUOTE]
But we are playing FY and Sophs and they are basically a year older. That makes a huge difference in amount of minutes that they can play at a high level. That they are better at this point is natural but it is also true that the additional year usually helps with the ability to handle the minutes[/QUOTE]


Iowa started 1 JR, 2 SO's and 2 FY.

NU started 1 SR(5th year), 2 SO's and 2 FYs.

Are you telling me Iowa was a significantly older team? Not buying it.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

There was a post play that really stuck out to me....Young got caught too deep under the basket defending Garza....Garza caught the ball and before going up, stuck his left elbow into Young's mid section. No call.

Not a dirty or flagrant call at all by Garza. But it should have been called. Would have put Garza on the bench for extended minutes.

I think the college refs are pretty lost on post play. They call what they think they see and don't call what they see.

It was disappointing to see the ticky tack fouls on Young. Garza just bullied for position all game. Good for him, but Young didn’t even have a fair chance to defend when they let Garza get away with knocking people over and Young got called for breathing on people.

It would have been a L either way, but it was star treatment for Garza.

CCC has been thankfully been much more calm this year. Young kids can’t get barked at every minute of the game. He actually seems to be encouraging the young guys after a bonehead play. Much better.