Synthetic Pot/K2

[.S&C.]

Study. Let me guess you think that bc a drug is prescribed that means it's safer for you. Funny the old lady in church thinks pot is the Devils grass but takes Xanax every day to take the load off. There's one reason and one reason only pot is illegal...drug companies can't put a patent on something that occurs and exists naturally. They need to profit off their other drugs that pot would make obsolete.

And are you that dense with your murder analogy...I guess your saying you'd kill people but the law is just holding you back?

man I don't know. When slavery was legal it was everywhere. When community lynching isn't necessarily illegal it's routine in some places. I'm not sure we have laws in place because people always do the ethical and moral thing. They're in place to deter the masses from acting like animals, which as history shows, is pretty widespread.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you on being a bad analogy and agree the real problem in America is everyone being doped up. I'm just not sure legalizing more drugs is going to help much.

 

[.S&C.]

Tried it before in college...it made me laugh uncontrollably like how a whip it does. I think it depends on how hard you hit it...I think when taking a big hit it can have lsd levels of effects. It's all short acting tho I believe.

I put a whole vile in a bowl and dragged it down. Didn't know it was supposed to be taken in small doses. Lol.

 

[nerdcat_rivals308595]

Just passing through the Paddock out of curiosity. Wow. What a compilation of losers. Not men enough to face the world everyday without getting high.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

man I don't know. When slavery was legal it was everywhere. When community lynching isn't necessarily illegal it's routine in some places. I'm not sure we have laws in place because people always do the ethical and moral thing. They're in place to deter the masses from acting like animals, which as history shows, is pretty widespread.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you on being a bad analogy and agree the real problem in America is everyone being doped up. I'm just not sure legalizing more drugs is going to help much.

Well the analogy certainly wouldn't fit for everything...put guns, alcohol, weed in this chart...and I believe it's relevant. Obviously making a substance like heroin legal over the counter is detrimental to society. I think pot should be legal, but that's not to say it isn't negative to certain people. I have a friend who who spends 600 dollars a week on pot...obviously it's effecting his life. I also have a friend tho who eats fast food everyday for every meal...that's also affecting his well being. The point of the chart tho suggests that when pot is illegal it grows organized crime and violence, which is true. There is no dealer, turf wars, illegal money exchanges, etc, or an introduction to the consumer to other substances when it's legal. The murder, lynching, etc is different as pot itself isn't a lethal substance and what one does they do to themselves....a murder/lynching for instance is prohibited it bc that's someone causing harm to someone else rather than themselves. An individual should have claim over themselves and I believe that's the difference, when some things are made illegal it actually spreads the harm out to others in various ways. That's how I see it anyways.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I'm don't consider myself in the pro-weed crowd, but the guy above had it right about testing: no reason to be punished on monday for smoking on friday. It's effects are out of your system and you can work just fine.. In this regard it should be treated the same as alcohol..

I imagine if it ever becomes legal, the testing will be changed. There won't be a point in figuring out if someone smoked weed 3 weeks prior. They'll want to make sure you're not coming to work high and negatively sffecting productivity.. But outside of that, testing shouldn't matter.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Your ability to attention, memory and learning are reduced. You become more prone to accidents, less coordinated, and are less reliable. In a sense you are a danger to those around you and that is why they test for it and why it isn't allowed in many work forces. That is the obvious.

Now, think about this.... As a nation we have spent literally millions, and no telling how much time educating, and forcing away from people the use of tobacco products because of their effects on health and the rising cost to combat that. Why we would then turn around and promote the use of something just as harmful to the body? It doesn't make sense.

Also, you fall into the category of those who feel alcohol is just as bad when it most likely isn't. I wouldn't care if it were illegal too but it doesn't carry the same harmful effects towards others that thc does because the effect of thc on your body can take days to clear your system where as alcohol is shorter.
.

1: You're talking about the effects of being high. That's irrelevant if you aren't high at work.

2: Ending prohibition does not equate to promoting something's use. That's a ridiculous argument. Ending prohibition is an admission that prohibition does not work, society would be better off without prohibition, and that there exists no good argument for judicial punishment of possession and use.

3: There is zero scientific basis for this third statement. Alcohol has more and more severe residual effects than does THC according to scientific study of the drugs effects. Occasional marijuana use has zero measurable lingering effects and chronic use was found to produce only a mild reduction in short term verbal memory less severe than the residual effect on memory of alcohol use.

 

[.S&C.]

Just passing through the Paddock out of curiosity. Wow. What a compilation of losers. Not men enough to face the world everyday without getting high.

I was a loser. Was.

Kicked it and got back into school and finished my degrees.

Most drug use is a result of the inability to cope in life. I will agree with that.

 

[.S&C.]

I'm don't consider myself in the pro-weed crowd, but the guy above had it right about testing: no reason to be punished on monday for smoking on friday. It's effects are out of your system and you can work just fine.. In this regard it should be treated the same as alcohol..

I imagine if it ever becomes legal, the testing will be changed. There won't be a point in figuring out if someone smoked weed 3 weeks prior. They'll want to make sure you're not coming to work high and negatively sffecting productivity.. But outside of that, testing shouldn't matter.

Not the case on the legalization and drug testing for employment.

Colorado Supreme Court ruled that employers have the right to screen for it. That will more than likely be the way the Supreme Court would see it as well.

The problem for weed and employment has to do with insurance. Companies are liable for what happens to employees on the job. Since weed is categorized as a drug, and stays in the system for 30-90 days depending on usage, it's a no go for most places. Alcohol is out in hours.

I get it though. Smoking on Monday has no effect on Friday. But most people I know that smoke do it way more than that.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Like cigarettes and alcohol?

I'm pro-legalization, but I'd say you're definitely wrong here.

I based what I said off the results of surveys I'd read in the past with teenagers saying it was easier to get weed than beer. Looking a bit more, it seems subsequent surveys with different wording show the opposite result. So I appear to have based that on false info. It is worth noting, though, that states that have legalized haven't seen any increases in teen use.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Not the case on the legalization and drug testing for employment.

Colorado Supreme Court ruled that employers have the right to screen for it. That will more than likely be the way the Supreme Court would see it as well.

The problem for weed and employment has to do with insurance. Companies are liable for what happens to employees on the job. Since weed is categorized as a drug, and stays in the system for 30-90 days depending on usage, it's a no go for most places. Alcohol is out in hours.

I get it though. Smoking on Monday has no effect on Friday. But most people I know that smoke do it way more than that.

Unfortunately, this is true. There have even been cases of employers banning tobacco use by employees. At will employment means they can set whatever conditions they want as long as they don't run afoul of labor law or antidiscrimination law.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

To start, sure. But something being legal changes a lot of people's mindset. A giant portion thinks that everything legal is fine and dandy while everything illegal is automatically wrong and bad for you.

And Colorado might have this stance because of bordering states, multi-state companies and organizations, etc. It's probably in their best interest to keep some aspects in tune with every other state. But their tune might change if/when it becomes fully legal.

Atleast I hope so.

 

[.S&C.]

Well the analogy certainly wouldn't fit for everything...put guns, alcohol, weed in this chart...and I believe it's relevant. Obviously making a substance like heroin legal over the counter is detrimental to society. I think pot should be legal, but that's not to say it isn't negative to certain people. I have a friend who who spends 600 dollars a week on pot...obviously it's effecting his life. I also have a friend tho who eats fast food everyday for every meal...that's also affecting his well being. The point of the chart tho suggests that when pot is illegal it grows organized crime and violence, which is true. There is no dealer, turf wars, illegal money exchanges, etc, or an introduction to the consumer to other substances when it's legal. The murder, lynching, etc is different as pot itself isn't a lethal substance and what one does they do to themselves....a murder/lynching for instance is prohibited it bc that's someone causing harm to someone else rather than themselves. An individual should have claim over themselves and I believe that's the difference, when some things are made illegal it actually spreads the harm out to others in various ways. That's how I see it anyways.

Yea I don't disagree with that. I do think if weed became legal the cartels would find something else. But that shouldn't have an effect on the conversation to a great extent.

The legal doping overseen by doctors is the real culprit in society. You won't get an argument from me there.

Really I support a state's right to choose, as I do on just about everything minus things like the second amendment. I'm just iffy on saying I "support" legalization of any drug, as I think it sends the wrong message to kids. I understand some of the arguments though.

 

[.S&C.]

I based what I said off the results of surveys I'd read in the past with teenagers saying it was easier to get weed than beer. Looking a bit more, it seems subsequent surveys with different wording show the opposite result. So I appear to have based that on false info. It is worth noting, though, that states that have legalized haven't seen any increases in teen use.

When I was in high school scoring some weed was WAY easier than convincing an adult of 21 to buy us beer.

 

[.S&C.]

To start, sure. But something being legal changes a lot of people's mindset. A giant portion thinks that everything legal is fine and dandy while everything illegal is automatically wrong and bad for you.

And Colorado might have this stance because of bordering states, multi-state companies and organizations, etc. It's probably in their best interest to keep some aspects in tune with every other state. But their tune might change if/when it becomes fully legal.

Atleast I hope so.

I believe the issue surrounds employers rights and liability. I can honestly say if I were an employer, I'd hire the clean guy over the guy testing positive for marijuana. I think most people in a position of ownership would. Business is hard enough without worrying about how high your employee's are getting, trying to play a guessing game with when he smokes, and worrying about the liability of it all if he were to get hurt, or hurt someone else on the job. With a giant pool of clean potential employees, there's no reason to risk a job on someone who does drugs. Like I said I get that weed can be extremely harmless, but nonetheless, it's the world we live in.

I would feel the same about addictive prescription drugs, alcohol, and others.

I don't think the supreme court would ever rule an employer doesn't have the right to drug test employees. The classification of pot being a "drug" would probably have to be changed, and that's definitely not going to happen. Colorado has a leftist supreme court, and they upheld the right.

I don't think it would change much in our lifetime. Like you said, maybe years and years down the road when we're gone.

 

[.S&C.]

1: You're talking about the effects of being high. That's irrelevant if you aren't high at work.

2: Ending prohibition does not equate to promoting something's use. That's a ridiculous argument. Ending prohibition is an admission that prohibition does not work, society would be better off without prohibition, and that there exists no good argument for judicial punishment of possession and use.

3: There is zero scientific basis for this third statement. Alcohol has more and more severe residual effects than does THC according to scientific study of the drugs effects. Occasional marijuana use has zero measurable lingering effects and chronic use was found to produce only a mild reduction in short term verbal memory less severe than the residual effect on memory of alcohol use.

My father still believes it kills brain cells. (67)

Lots of mistruths about Marijuana use, that's for sure.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I don't think most of the studies have been concluded yet. Colorado is a good case study and it's shown beneficial, and at the same time it's causing a host of other issues, like the boom of the homeless population. Time will tell.
.

It's weird. I've been burning for over 20 years and it actually brought nothing but the best things in life for me. Most people I know who smoke have nothing but great things going on in their life too. No negatives at all.

Just had a good friend from high school die June 27th due to Fentanyl. He was a absolute brainiac. Dead to prescription narcotics. I've had about 30 people die in my life due to drug and alcohol related deaths. But 0 to weed.

That study about saving American tax payers $165 million was Medicare. It has concluded and it's valid. Most studies coming out about the social affects from MJ use will be nothing but beneficial. Colorado also has had a huge decrease in teenagers using. Meaning legalization actually decreases children's access and lowers usage rate.

 

[DSmith21]

3: There is zero scientific basis for this third statement. Alcohol has more and more severe residual effects than does THC according to scientific study of the drugs effects. Occasional marijuana use has zero measurable lingering effects and chronic use was found to produce only a mild reduction in short term verbal memory less severe than the residual effect on memory of alcohol use.

Actually, studies have shown that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers. Of course, that health benefit goes away for heavy drinkers. Meanwhile, people who regularly smoke pot live a shorter life than non-pot smokers due to cancer risk.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Actually, studies have shown that moderate drinkers live longer than non-drinkers. Of course, that health benefit goes away for heavy drinkers. Meanwhile, people who regularly smoke pot live a shorter life than non-pot smokers due to cancer risk.

That is true about moderate drinkers living longer but comparing moderate drinkers to heavy smokers doesn't seem entirely valid. And what are you basing this shorter lives and more cancer on? All the research I've seen shows no increase in cancer among people who smoke marijuana but do not smoke tobacco.

 

[DSmith21]

That is true about moderate drinkers living longer but comparing moderate drinkers to heavy smokers doesn't seem entirely valid. And what are you basing this shorter lives and more cancer on? All the research I've seen shows no increase in cancer among people who smoke marijuana but do not smoke tobacco.

Smoking anything irritates the lungs. Pot smoke does contain tar and carcinogens. Several studies have linked smoking pot to increased head/neck/lung cancer while others refute that. Smoking pot long term has also been linked to mental health issues later in life. However, I don't think the occasional user is at much risk.

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Smoking anything irritates the lungs. Pot smoke does contain tar and carcinogens. Several studies have linked smoking pot to increased head/neck/lung cancer. Smoking pot long term has also been linked to mental health issues later in life. However, I don't think the occasional user is at much risk.

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

Your link does not say it has been shown to increase cancer risk. It talks about cancer risk factors, but not actual cancer incidence. Any studies I've seen that look explicitly at cancer risk have not found increases and discuss this paradoxical effect, speculating on reasons for it. Long term marijuana smoking has also not been found to cause a decrease in lung capacity, though as they note it does lead to increases in irritation and acute bronchitis.

Do you have any sources for the claim about mental health problems? From what I've seen there are a number of real risks from adolescent use, and it can make existing conditions worse (earlier onset and quicker progression of schizophrenia, for example) but not necessarily that otherwise mentally healthy people increase their risk through long term use.

 

[DSmith21]

Do you have any sources for the claim about mental health problems? From what I've seen there are a number of real risks from adolescent use, and it can make existing conditions worse (earlier onset and quicker progression of schizophrenia, for example) but not necessarily that otherwise mentally healthy people increase their risk through long term use.

"There is growing evidence that people with serious mental illness, including depression and psychosis, are more likely to use cannabis or have used it for long periods of time in the past. Regular use of the drug has appeared to double the risk of developing a psychotic episode or long-term schizophrenia. However, does cannabis cause depression and schizophrenia or do people with these disorders use it as a medication?

Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability - and that there is a particular issue with the use of cannabis by adolescents.

• Depression

A study following 1600 Australian school-children, aged 14 to 15 for seven years, found that while children who use cannabis regularly have a significantly higher risk of depression, the opposite was not the case - children who already suffered from depression were not more likely than anyone else to use cannabis. However, adolescents who used cannabis daily were five times more likely to develop depression and anxiety in later life.

• Psychoses - schizophrenia and bipolar disorder

There is now sufficient evidence to show that those who use cannabis particularly at a younger age, such as around the age of 15, have a higher than average risk of developing a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

These studies also show that the risk is dose-related. In other words, the more cannabis someone used, the more likely they were to develop a psychotic illness. Furthermore, a study in Australia recently showed that those who used cannabis could develop the illness about 2.70 years earlier than those who did not........."

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/cannabis.aspx

 

[UKserialkiller]

"
Mental health problems
There is growing evidence that people with serious mental illness, including depression and psychosis, are more likely to use cannabis or have used it for long periods of time in the past. Regular use of the drug has appeared to double the risk of developing a psychotic episode or long-term schizophrenia. However, does cannabis cause depression and schizophrenia or do people with these disorders use it as a medication?

Over the past few years, research has strongly suggested that there is a clear link between early cannabis use and later mental health problems in those with a genetic vulnerability - and that there is a particular issue with the use of cannabis by adolescents.

• Depression

A study following 1600 Australian school-children, aged 14 to 15 for seven years, found that while children who use cannabis regularly have a significantly higher risk of depression, the opposite was not the case - children who already suffered from depression were not more likely than anyone else to use cannabis. However, adolescents who used cannabis daily were five times more likely to develop depression and anxiety in later life.

• Psychoses - schizophrenia and bipolar disorder

There is now sufficient evidence to show that those who use cannabis particularly at a younger age, such as around the age of 15, have a higher than average risk of developing a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

These studies also show that the risk is dose-related. In other words, the more cannabis someone used, the more likely they were to develop a psychotic illness. Furthermore, a study in Australia recently showed that those who used cannabis could develop the illness about 2.70 years earlier than those who did not.

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/cannabis.aspx

I haven't got the time now, but there are better research than that DSmith. That sounds like a very biased link. I don't trust it and I would bet that link was put to together by some anti-pot group.


Here's a critique of that "leaflet" http://ukcia.org/wordpress/?p=71

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Ha, didn't we just do this debate a few months ago? If I remember correctly, it was Willy and his band of Junkies vs. DSmith and myself, the cool alcohol-sipping Don Drapers of the world.

Maybe I was hungover, but that's how I remember it..

 

[DSmith21]

I haven't got the time now, but there are better research than that DSmith. That sounds like a very biased link. I don't trust it and I would bet that link was put to together by some anti-pot group.

I am not anti-pot. I just believe that there are some negative effects from heavy usage over long periods of time. If you are an occasional user, I don't think that you have much to worry about. Like many vices, moderation is the key.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I am not anti-pot. I just believe that there are some negative effects from heavy usage over long periods of time. If you are an occasional user, I don't think that you have much to worry about. Like many vices, moderation is the key.

****. Look at me. Smoke all day every day and I feel like dancing in the rain. Life is great except for having to share the same oxygen with everyone else.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Drugs affect people in different ways. I can actually work with a few drinks in me. It relaxes me in many situations. And I dance EXTREMELY well.. Drinking makes sense for me. I maybe have 4 drinks Sunday-Thursday.. another 4 on one weekend day, and then really tying one on the other weekend day. Still 29, with little to no responsibilities than wiping my own ***, so I can get away with it a few more years.

Marijuana on the other hand, Makes me super anxious and paranoid and puts me in a fog the next day (admittedly, the fog isn't as bad as a hangover). I'm not productive on it, actually worse than if I have a few drinks. I turn into a slug that's pulled back into it's own shell, half on the verge of freaking out. Can't be ANYWHERE other than my own house or an equally safe environment. That's just how it affects me.

I know people just like me, and I know people that are the opposite: they could smoke all day and be productive, and turn into hot messes after 3 drinks..

 

[.S&C.]

****. Look at me. Smoke all day every day and I feel like dancing in the rain. Life is great except for having to share the same oxygen with everyone else.

I miss the bud, not gonna lie. Nuggs helped me wake up each day.

Try quitting for a while. I bet you're unlivable. If she's bang tough, she can stay here while you recover.

 

[.S&C.]

Your link does not say it has been shown to increase cancer risk. It talks about cancer risk factors, but not actual cancer incidence. Any studies I've seen that look explicitly at cancer risk have not found increases and discuss this paradoxical effect, speculating on reasons for it. Long term marijuana smoking has also not been found to cause a decrease in lung capacity, though as they note it does lead to increases in irritation and acute bronchitis.

Do you have any sources for the claim about mental health problems? From what I've seen there are a number of real risks from adolescent use, and it can make existing conditions worse (earlier onset and quicker progression of schizophrenia, for example) but not necessarily that otherwise mentally healthy people increase their risk through long term use.

From the research I've done on it, and it's been awhile, I think a link between dementia and pot use has been found, or believed to be found.

Could be wrong though.

 

[mashburned]

Lmao

2 things that are indisputable:

1. Married people wish they weren't married.

2. Ex smokers wish they smoked.

Miserable people just want you to be miserable.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I miss the bud, not gonna lie. Nuggs helped me wake up each day.

Try quitting for a while. I bet you're unlivable. If she's bang tough, she can stay here while you recover.

[laughing] No doubt. I went 17 days without weed in 2011. I never want to go through that again.

 

[UKserialkiller]

From the research I've done on it, and it's been awhile, I think a link between dementia and pot use has been found, or believed to be found.

Could be wrong though.

Actually wrong. Newest research shows marijuana compounds reduces plaque (I focus on dementia)

http://www.popsci.com/marijuana-compound-removes-alzheimers-plaque-from-brain-cells-study June 29th, 2016

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

There's definitely evidence of risks to adolescent use but that critique of the leaflet definitely casts doubt on a lot of the conclusions. I've read a lot about the issue, going directly to published studies and not always relying on others' summaries of them, and my take is that risks to adult users is pretty small. People should be aware of what they're doing and make informed decisions. I give myself a substantially increased risk of cancer through too-high consumption of processed meats (I eat a lot of deli meat for lunches and have sausage and bacon on weekends). I'm aware of it and as yet have done nothing about it. Risk from that is far greater than anything I've found looking into the effects of moderate to even low end heavy alcohol use or from marijuana use.

And yeah as Willy said I've not come across info on adult marijuana use contributing to dementia but have seen recent studies suggesting marijuana use may actually slow the progression of Alzheimer's.

 

[.S&C.]

[laughing] No doubt. I went 17 days without weed in 2011. I never want to go through that again.

Dude when you're a steady smoker the "want" never leaves you. I swear I think about it everyday, and I've been clean for a years now. I miss sitting back, rolling some diesel, and just blowing. Little things, like the way the first joint of the day feels, sitting in sunlight burning it as I blow it out and see all the smoke accumulate around my body. Feeling those problems drift off, while playing my favorite PS (1,2,3,4) game.

I miss my grinder and my keif. Miss lining my joints with the keif using my old guitar pick. Miss blowing shotguns to girls in high school for the sole intent of kissin'm. Miss sitting in a living room smoking with friends laughing at all of the nicknames and stupid **** we'd come up with for each other. Bradford Pear head, the Green Onion (old friend looks just like one pulled out of the ground swear to god), or Yurple Yogurt ( had a friend who's knees turned purple while he was on powder, funniest **** we've ever seen. Called him yurple since).....

Only heads could be so creative. Now I have to be a grown up. I hate life.

 

[UKserialkiller]

That sure is a trip down memory lane...

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

Making crappy (and some not so crappy) pipes and bongs to smoke out of was always fun. For a long time, I rarely smoked out of any purchased paraphernalia.

 

[Get Buckets]

Making crappy (and some not so crappy) pipes and bongs to smoke out of was always fun. For a long time, I rarely smoked out of any purchased paraphernalia.

Ah, MacGyver smoker.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

All of you damn dirty hippies need to leave the kiddy drugs behind and move onto cocaine like the rest of us hard-working adults.

 

[.S&C.]

Making crappy (and some not so crappy) pipes and bongs to smoke out of was always fun. For a long time, I rarely smoked out of any purchased paraphernalia.

Yup.

An apple, or the the famous cola can. A ketchup bottle was great too but took a little engineering.

I rememeber being 14/15 and splitting a sac of reg with 3 or 4 of us, 2 or 3 bucks and presto a dime bag. then of course not having a car and having to resort to rolling it up with phone book or receipt paper.

I picture @Willy4UK smoking this way at his current age (45?), don't know why...

 

[UKserialkiller]

Yup.

An apple, or the the famous cola can. A ketchup bottle was great too but took a little engineering.

I rememeber being 14/15 and splitting a sac of reg with 3 or 4 of us, 2 or 3 bucks and presto a dime bag. then of course not having a car and having to resort to rolling it up with phone book or receipt paper.

I picture @Willy4UK smoking this way at his current age (45?), don't know why...

Damn man. I ain't that old yet. haha

I use to use an apple too. Got a vape machine in 2012. Before that I was a bowl and also use to smoke off one of those small crunkled starbucks espresso cans.

 

[.S&C.]

Damn man. I ain't that old yet. haha

I use to use an apple too. Got a vape machine in 2012. Before that I was a bowl and also use to smoke off one of those small crunkled starbucks espresso cans.

Ha took you for a semi-elder.

Most of the time I preferred 1.25 JOB papers. French lights.

Never was big on glass for some reason(bought bongs and pipes and ran them till they gunked up or forgot they were in my lap and stood up
). Nothing like a fat Junt of some loud to me. A bowl was always like a key bump of coke, just enough to piss me off.

Philly Titans with reg too. Those were the days. Then the "chocolate" blunts, then the flavor wraps, then the cigarillos.

Oh the days.