No question we need more talent, but this staff has under-utilized the most talented player on the roster, Cethan Carter. We also refuse to set up a return for one of the most talented punt returners in the nation in DPE.
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You meant to say the QB underutilized him. He wasn't thrown to and has been ignored by the QB
This is about coaching, style of play and practice habits. If you want a physical team you have to practice that way. You have to rep mentality as much as plays. See Bankers quotes..
Nebraska from the sound of it practices a lot like an NFL team. Very little contact and not giving reps to backups to build depth.
Nebraska from the sound of it practices a lot like an NFL team. Very little contact and not giving reps to backups to build depth.
Cethan was hurt for several weeks and has been thrown to a fair amount. Cethan is most definitely a guy other teams game plan around when he's available.
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We need difference makers especially at QB. TA was a hot and cold guy that without his legs as a threat was ineffective. He got knocked out of the OSU game and you saw what happened. Yeah we were down but Tommy had us driving when he went down. We HAVE to have more consistent QB play whether it's a dual threat guy or pro-style we HAVE to be able to throw it to the right option and throw it accurately. We would have probably been a .500 team without him this year but we could have certainly won yesterday and probably at Wisconsin with better QB play. On top of QB the other place we're missing difference makers is in our D line. Not gonna name names anymore there because I know those guys are doing the best they can but man we need a DE that is a threat.
This staff really needs to focus on recruiting up front on both sides of the ball. The big boys are who win you games in this conference. So far recruiting there is decent but I see Foster Sarell as being a must get for Cav. He is an absolute beast! Don't see Bando and Sichterman being game changers. I really like Deontre Thomas out of Oklahoma at DT. Very underrated. Maybe Guy Thomas and Porcher will be adequate DE's someday? Wish we could find another top notch DT & DE in this class but it's probably not happening. Hope the Davis twins focus 100% on football this off season. Just my $0.02.
I think the Davis boys are going to be VERY good players for us but man we need some DEs that can set an edge AND get after the QB.
You hit the nail on the head. Start over in 2019. You know it and I know it. We know how this will play out over the next three years.
Sadly I suspect you are right. I say sadly because I really like Riley. Hopefully, next year with a true QB he can turn it around.
I know folks will probably hit the ceiling, but do you think our team would be this soft if Frost was running the show? not saying Frost is the answer but I believe he would have at least instilled a tough guy work ethic from the top down.
This is all Tommy. Coaches are so frustrated having to deal with him missing reads. Part coaching, most falls on Mr Yolobomb
Ya know, it's just time to be blunt about this entire topic.
If you can't tell there's not just talent issues but depth issues and coaching issies, it's time to find something else to watch. It all starts with what you have to work with; not just physically but mentally as well. It then goes to coaching which is closely followed by depth. The right coach will create the depth. Heck, even the wrong coach will create the depth.
Riley is building the depth. As some of you want to think it's easy, it's not. Never has been and never will be. Whether Riley is the right or wrong coach, we'll find out soon enough. I'll tell you one thing, Charlie Strong blew up his roster and he's now unemployed. From the outside looking in, it seemed like the right thing to do. He paid dearly for it though.
Coming in to 2015:
If you can't tell there's not just talent issues but depth issues and coaching issies, it's time to find something else to watch. It all starts with what you have to work with; not just physically but mentally as well. It then goes to coaching which is closely followed by depth. The right coach will create the depth. Heck, even the wrong coach will create the depth.
Riley is building the depth. As some of you want to think it's easy, it's not. Never has been and never will be. Whether Riley is the right or wrong coach, we'll find out soon enough. I'll tell you one thing, Charlie Strong blew up his roster and he's now unemployed. From the outside looking in, it seemed like the right thing to do. He paid dearly for it though.
Coming in to 2015:
- Our QB's weren't very good
- Our backup is a walk-on, who wouldn't even play at Kearney
- Our OL had no depth
- Some talent, which doesn't mean depth
- Our TE were non existent
- Our LB were slow
- Absolutely zero depth too
- Our DB's were thin in talent and depth
- Our DE's, even worse
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One more thing, I had a purpose behind watching the games today.
As I watch all kinds of games today, I notice QB's who look at their primary target then check off if they're not open. Even better, I watch QB's throw the ball away. I don't believe I watched any QB just throw the ball up in hopes of his WR making a play. Then I replay multiple Husker games in my head and how many times we [Tommy & Ryker] just chucked the ball in an area, praying someone in the same uniform would catch it.
Sit and think about this. Danny Langsdorf was hand picked by the Manning family to be Eli's QB coach with the Giants. Coughlin wasn't thrilled when Langsdorf left. But for some reason or another, people want to believe he's not good enough for Nebraska. Or he forced Tommy to throw it deep. Or to purposely not throw it to Cethan Carter. Or to intentionally miss Westerkamp in the end zone.
Seriously people.
As I watch all kinds of games today, I notice QB's who look at their primary target then check off if they're not open. Even better, I watch QB's throw the ball away. I don't believe I watched any QB just throw the ball up in hopes of his WR making a play. Then I replay multiple Husker games in my head and how many times we [Tommy & Ryker] just chucked the ball in an area, praying someone in the same uniform would catch it.
Sit and think about this. Danny Langsdorf was hand picked by the Manning family to be Eli's QB coach with the Giants. Coughlin wasn't thrilled when Langsdorf left. But for some reason or another, people want to believe he's not good enough for Nebraska. Or he forced Tommy to throw it deep. Or to purposely not throw it to Cethan Carter. Or to intentionally miss Westerkamp in the end zone.
Seriously people.
You talk about a devastating recruiting failure by the previous regime. There it is.....terrible roster management.
It is as simple as the old saying goes: Hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard. Iowa had much more energy than Nebraska did. Nebraska players looked like they had no clue what was going in.
Good post. And needed. I was so pissed after yesterday I wanted to fire everyone. But that is emotion talking not reason. Thanks for this
I think something different needs to happen with the special teams situation but other than that I didn't have any concerns about our coaching yesterday. We had individual players (sometimes a couple of guys on our D on the same play) blow assignments and be physically and mentally unable to make the plays they needed to make. We had a freshman punter have a 5 yard punt. We had a senior future NFL safety get called for a roughing the kicker penalty. None of those IMO were because of who was coaching them or how they were coached. It will get better.
This post was pretty hilarious to me. You do realize we had to start guys like Utter, Hahn, Knevel, etc this year with all of the injuries and poor recruiting by Pelini? We fired Pelini because he was an asshat, not cut out to be a head coach at a major college football program. In year 7, YEAR SEVEN SO YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THIS, Pelini's prowess as a defensive coach was shown to the country in a 59-24 beatdown at the hands of Wisconsin. Under him, we crapped the bed in recruiting (especially at QB, OL/DL) and were embarrassed in big games year after year.
I know you're pissed but Jesus man, get a grip. Riley just got us to 9 wins this season, the magical number Bo supporters loved to flaunt. He did it was a talent-deprived roster, a QB in love with the yolobombs, and with a guy back punting who had a shank to bomb ratio of what felt like 3 to 1. Once we get some quality, Riley recruited players in here playing in the system he wants to run, then we can evaluate how he's doing, IMO. Or I guess Riley is to blame for the YOLObombs and Gerry committing one of the dumbest penalties of all time?
All true. And noted. Thanks for the post. But I still have my doubts about some of our coaches. I don't think they are totally off the hook.
Some is the key word there. I've seen enough cluster f###s by our special teams to know that something different needs to get done there. Other than that, IMO we just need better players in the trenches especially. Maybe Riley gives a little more "guidance" on special teams without canning the guy BUT they have to do something different there because there is NO excuse for some of the crap I've seen there. Foltz would have helped us IMMENSELY in the punt game and on punt coverage but man.
His players have gotten better the more time he's spent with them IMO. We've got good backs and Newby has just done nothing but get better under his tutelage. A RB coach isn't the problem or the answer either one. I'll add that he got a true freshman RB up to speed and the kid has gotten better with every game. IF we want better RB production we have to get better up front. Hell a better passing game would help our running game tremendously.
Let's get super real about these recruiting rankings and this is mostly in response to the idiot Iowa fans that are constantly whining and crying about losing four-star recruits and how Ferentz goes about his recruiting.
Here's the top recruiting teams last year. I know it's not an exact extrapolation but these are the same teams that always recruit pretty well and then I'm "guessing" a little bit about their losses but it will mostly be accurate...
5) LSU- 4 losses
7) Texas-7 losses
8) ole miss-7 losses
9) auburn - 4 losses
10) UCLA- 7 losses
12) Georgia - 5 losses
13)ND-7 losses
15) Tenn- 4 losses
17)A&M- 5 losses
18) MSU- 8 losses
And on and on and on......
Iowa has produced either the second or third most NFL players in the last 15 years behind the Ohio State who let's be honest dwarfs the entire big 10 so there's a lot more going on here than recruiting rankings.
And good record or bad record over the next two or three years Iowa will pump a bunch of kids into the NFL yet again.
So what does this all mean...irst it's really hard to win football games second you better know what the hell you're looking at whether they are two star or a five stars & three you better figure out how to get them in a position to succeed!!
These who has more talent arguments are typically pretty stupid and these recruiting ranking arguments are typically pretty stupid. Yes I understand there's a correlation there's also about 50,000 examples of teams that continually sign top rated recruits and blow!!!!!!!
Here's the top recruiting teams last year. I know it's not an exact extrapolation but these are the same teams that always recruit pretty well and then I'm "guessing" a little bit about their losses but it will mostly be accurate...
5) LSU- 4 losses
7) Texas-7 losses
8) ole miss-7 losses
9) auburn - 4 losses
10) UCLA- 7 losses
12) Georgia - 5 losses
13)ND-7 losses
15) Tenn- 4 losses
17)A&M- 5 losses
18) MSU- 8 losses
And on and on and on......
Iowa has produced either the second or third most NFL players in the last 15 years behind the Ohio State who let's be honest dwarfs the entire big 10 so there's a lot more going on here than recruiting rankings.
And good record or bad record over the next two or three years Iowa will pump a bunch of kids into the NFL yet again.
So what does this all mean...irst it's really hard to win football games second you better know what the hell you're looking at whether they are two star or a five stars & three you better figure out how to get them in a position to succeed!!
These who has more talent arguments are typically pretty stupid and these recruiting ranking arguments are typically pretty stupid. Yes I understand there's a correlation there's also about 50,000 examples of teams that continually sign top rated recruits and blow!!!!!!!
Yea and North Dakota State was more talented than Iowa. Nebraska had the talent level to beat Iowa no doubt. Even Pelini got the better of Ferentz. We got beat on special teams, offense, and defense. It falls on the coaches not having the team ready to play. We got the ball back and cut it back to 16 with time in the 3rd quarter and we go pass happy again. We didn't even try to establish a run game. As far as defense goes we were horrible any time we played an offense with a pulse this year, and seriously you could find a multiple punters in Nebraska to walkon better than the one we have. The next two years are going to be tougher.
Could it be....coaching?
This is what pisses me off about the fanboys jumping ip and down like giddy schoolgirls about our recruiting. Who cares if you dont coach talent properly? It seems some around here think the real game is played in februrary and this is all meaningless. Its as if coaches are there to recruit more than coach, then they just sit back and let "their guys" do the winning.
Yes talent matters and is necessary for winning titles, but coaching is more important. After friday i dont have much faith.
Most of us can remember what the program did in the 90's especially on defense, bottom line is they have be to more athletic on the defensive side of the football meaning more speed our linebackers and defensive ends have been extremely slow with the exception of Gregory and David these last couple of years. I would be willing to sacrifice size for speed right now, there is no way that Iowa WR should be pulling away from our secondary.
Being serious about running the ball happens during the week in practice. I don't believe we will ever have a dominant run attack under these coaches. The Banker quote illustrates this point. We need to beat Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, and Ohio state if we want to get to the top. I know Michigan isn't great at running the ball yet, but they will get there if Harbaugh's last jobs are an indication. Those teams are serious about running the ball and running physIcal practices. We are going in the opposite direction.
Not sure about that one, Kittle has been a pretty good TE for Iowa for the last 2 years. More TDs than Carter. Fant will be a stud after he adds 20-30 more lbs.
No, but even if so that kind of explains the problem....LOL
And quite frankly depending on how they run at the combine or their pro days don't be surprised if George Kittle doesn't get drafted higher.
Well I've got a pretty good gauge on how many Iowa players will be drafted in the next couple drafts how many do you think North Dakota State will have ?
Most of the top 40 or so teams have the talent to beat all the other teams,
really kind of a meaningless statement!
Do you have any idea how many times I've heard a whiny bitter fan of numerous teams say something like..."it will be worse next year or the year after"...honestly fans as a general rule have no clue what they're talking about.
That's what worries me. Has a cold-climate program ever been dominant running a pass-heavy offense?
Nebraska talks about wanting to get back to a power team, but I don't see how that can happen when you guys are in Shotgun every play. You can be a good running team in a spread offense, but it seems hard to have a physical mentality when the offensive lineman are in a two point stance all game.
And this is what pisses me off about fire the coaches now fools who know that the coaches are coaching Tommy to throw the bomb and coaching Banderas to overrun the play and... fill in the blank.
Complain all you want that we aren't coaching to true strengths... fine, at least that is debatable. But to turn a blind eye to the strides made in our team this year is stupid, and to assume it won't get better with the players they are recruiting is equally asinine.
Do you really think Tommy is the ideal QB for this system? Can't you admit coaching will be better when the QBs are able to execute better because it is what they have been recruited for?
It's ok to be pissed off about the two biggest games on our schedule being blowouts... I get it. But until we add depth to our lines we will struggle. Who did we blow out this year? No one! In every game we had extended periods on offense where we couldn't move the line of scrimmage, nor could we move the ball through the air... get better talent and coaching all of a sudden improves as well.
Are these coaches the best tacticians out there? No, but they're not the stiffs you think they are either.
Give it a rest. We can be satisfied with this season while still wanting more. Improvement needs to continue, and if it doesn't, it won't just be Read looking for a new job...