Oh I was thinking of Barnett. Switch Bradley to bust for now, but don't be shocked if he's gone this time next year.
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I think it was that you looked at the schedule and figured OSU and UW are the only games you definitely expect to lose. Several you could call coin flip games, but don't be shocked if NU ends up favored in every game but those.
Doesn't guarantee a win obviously, but you could see where 10-2 or 9-3 wasn't an insane prediction based on how soft the schedule is.
Will there be an open competition along the offensive line next year or are we stuck with the current line for next year?
Do not know. Frost knows that we can't continue to struggle as we are now and I can't see Farniok getting much better at tackle. I think they'll have to look at other options or figure out some way to scheme around our shortcomings on the O line. I can not imagine that there won't be competition for playing time at the very least if not the starting spots. Frost appears to be taking a long term approach to who is playing right now on the O line by starting Jurgens at center. To my untrained eye, it would appear that we might have a better immediate option there. By the end of the year that may not be the case. I don't know if he would make Austin dump Farniok or not for another redshirt freshman.
I believe Ohio St actually signed 25 in the 2016 class.
While we had 43% of our guys not on campus any more, Ohio St has 13/25 not on their campus any more (though from a great class), that's 48% of their guys just not even there anymore.
I understand there's a big difference between the two classes, but I'm just pointing out that our 43% isn't out of the norm compared to Ohio St at least.
Linemen don't grow on trees. They have to be developed and can take years to crack into the 2 deep. Yah, even the high star guys. It isn't like Wan'dale where you can walk in and start producing on day 1.
Look at most of the upper level of the B1G (Wisc, IA, Mich, OSU, PSU, etc) OLine depth charts and compare it with ours. You should see a serious issue.
For comparison like I did for the 2016 class, Ohio St has been able to keep 86% of their players from this insanely good 2017 class.
Good posts people.
A lot of relevant stuff.
Beav’s breakdown isn’t brand new but doesn’t get discussed enough. Thanks for the legwork.
it appears from 2015-2017:
LB was left depleted (all 4 LBs from 2017 gone, and 2 playing now from 2016= 2 guys for 4 positions in 2 years!), OL had a few bodies, but not enough. 2016-2017 left us with 3 second string DL this year, not enough....
Combined with no QB stuck around, no RBs from any of those years contributing (thanks Reggie), only 1 WR contributing ‘15-‘17 (how pathetic), and 0 DBs at all in 2017 class!! (the double Williams effect), plus add an injury to our starting safety this year (triple on the Williams), and then...
We can add to that: Frost’s 2018 “no time to recruit” first class has already lost: two 4* DBs, another LB (Dixon), a starting RB, a hybrid WR/TE, potentially losing another WR and a TE (Hunt/Legrone), never had WR Watt, and after missing Canty only signed 1 undersized OL Farniok (although they moved Jurgens)....
and did we mention he inherited a team that was out of shape?
It’s pretty clear the “rebuild” phase is still in full swing and really is a massive REBUILD.
Frost would be quite the architect to pull off any sort of legit structure in the short term.
A lot of relevant stuff.
Beav’s breakdown isn’t brand new but doesn’t get discussed enough. Thanks for the legwork.
it appears from 2015-2017:
LB was left depleted (all 4 LBs from 2017 gone, and 2 playing now from 2016= 2 guys for 4 positions in 2 years!), OL had a few bodies, but not enough. 2016-2017 left us with 3 second string DL this year, not enough....
Combined with no QB stuck around, no RBs from any of those years contributing (thanks Reggie), only 1 WR contributing ‘15-‘17 (how pathetic), and 0 DBs at all in 2017 class!! (the double Williams effect), plus add an injury to our starting safety this year (triple on the Williams), and then...
We can add to that: Frost’s 2018 “no time to recruit” first class has already lost: two 4* DBs, another LB (Dixon), a starting RB, a hybrid WR/TE, potentially losing another WR and a TE (Hunt/Legrone), never had WR Watt, and after missing Canty only signed 1 undersized OL Farniok (although they moved Jurgens)....
and did we mention he inherited a team that was out of shape?
It’s pretty clear the “rebuild” phase is still in full swing and really is a massive REBUILD.
Frost would be quite the architect to pull off any sort of legit structure in the short term.
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I think losing experience hurt alot. I won't say any player specifically hurt because I don't agree. I don't agree on a few years away. I expect the offensive line will be noticeably improved by the end of the year.
I think they will be good next year. I'm not sure every player starting this year will be starting next year. I am dissatisfied with the play of the o-line and I question their coaching to a degree, but they will get better as the season unfolds.
We played tOSU. We won't see that defense again this season.
Huh? So you base your players on perceived talent ceilings? I think that is utter crap.
As a coach, you're responsible for putting the current best players at each position for that year.
Players that need development, are given reps as possible, but not usually made starters unless they are the best you have at that position, see statement above.
100% agree that you have to play your best players that you have "now". Period. To not do that is playing with a potential huge team disaster.
Agreed.
I believe that a HUGE contributor to this season's expectations was Frost's second year at UCF. Way too many people assumed that jump would translate into something similar here. That and all of the 'improvement' talk from the coaches and media lead to extremely over-hyped expectations for this year.
Well then take it up with Scott and Greg but that's pretty much what SF has said about Jurgens is that with his athleticism the ceiling for him is incredibly high.
He has also basically said that Jurgens is the C who gives them the best chance to win. That's coachspeak for "He blocks dudes better than the backup does."
I love the hyperfocus you guys get into like a couple of high snaps is the reason OSU had 38 points at halftime. Did Cam throw picks and give up touchdowns, too? Guess I missed that on the replay.
Well duh!!.....HCSF essentially said that all things considered he's the best we have. What's the big insight about that?
Anyways, high snaps flying around everywhere is "not" a good thing at all. However, I've never seen any poster say that's why OSU had 38 points at halftime. Not even one. Heh....you must just love dreaming up stories like that.
So HCSF says he's currently the best center we have.....so be it! Myself and others will just be glad when his hiking is greatly improved.
nah, I was just replying to your statement about putting in guys with the highest ceiling over someone who might be playing better today.