Awful f'n rule. College football is getting too ridiculous to even watch. 3 guys in this UCLA game have been tossed. Williams today for us. Just basic football plays where guys are doing their job and they get ejected - stupid. Offensive players are constantly dropping their heads and are just as much responsible for the helmet to helmet hits, yet only the defenders are punished. Somebody needs to do something to fix this rule - it's not making the game any safer, just dumber.
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Agreed, plus there is no consistency amongst officials on what constitutes targeting.
They need to get rid of the ejection. Call it a personal foul if you want, but the vast majority of the time it's unintentional.
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I am no expert on this rule.... does intent have anything to do with it? It would be very hard to prove intent on a football field.
My problem with it is that in the heat of the moment, placement isn't always the first thing in the head, a tackle is. I just don't like the ejection part mainly.
I don't think there's anything about intent in the rule, which is why they need to get rid of the ejection part. A bang bang play costing a team one of it's best players and totally changing the game (and possibly the next) is ridiculous.
I feel like Football, ought to adopt Soccer penalization. Reds and Yellows. It's too game changing to remove a player abruptly as it is.
Mora yelling awful at the refs as they throw out a stanford player.....that's something I can respect.
It's supposed to. Half of the ejections I see happen to just be "football plays". Pretty hard to avoid some of those hits. I would have been ejected 6 times a game if that rule was in effect when I played, lol.
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I wish I would have know more back then, honestly. I am too young to have the memory loss and forgetfulness I do. And I know this is a shocker, but I am kind of a red-*** at times. I had a really bad concussion my Junior year. The sky and lights were all different bright colors when I came to. Got blindsided while throwing back across the field and got knocked out cold. Went back in the game a couple series later. Threw up multiple times on the bus ride home, and had a headache for WEEKS that was miserable. Back then it was "funny". Did not miss a practice or a game. I had others, but that was the worst.
Not sure I would have played if I knew what it was doing to ms.
I know what you are saying, double. I know I had one my junior year, too. Never missed any time for it. As a coach, 'getting your bell rung' means something totally different for me than it did back then. I have two different instances over the last four years in which I pulled a kid where the parents were pissed at me for it. Guess what, those two instances both turned out to be concussions. It just ain't worth it. I am as competitive as anyone, but at the end of the day football is just a game.
I just don't like all of the ejections. I think it should be clear their is intent, not just a guess by the official(s).
Let’s start with the name “targeting”. That right there implies intent. Which is just silly. You would have to be the dumbest player in the history of college football to ensure a 15 yard penalty for your team, ejection, and possible life threatening injury.
So the whole foundation of this penalty is screwed from the start.
So the whole foundation of this penalty is screwed from the start.
Williams play I don't believe even drew a flag. The call came from the booth, that is unacceptable. If there was a flag i didn't see it.
Need to pump the brakes on these things. Let them play the game. If it's clearly targeting, with intent to harm and defenseless player, then by all means boot the guy.
This x1000
I got knocked out in 8th grade when my cousin and I hit heads trying to make an interception. He was knocked out too. When I woke up, there were two of my buddies by me and the rest of the junior high kids and coach over at my cousin by the crow's nest.
Little did I know how bad it must have been. I had a concussion every year in football practice after that, and I didn't even know that they were concussions. My senior year (fall of 1999) it happened in a playoff game (blindsided on a punt return) and the coaches saw how dilated my eyes were and kept me out the rest of the game.
I barely remember anything from my childhood. I have a hard time remembering so many things day to day even. My wife and brothers make fun of me all the time because how bad my memory is.
A few weeks ago when Steve Spurrier was on the radio, he was asked by a caller about a game back in the 80's. He recalled so many details of that game, and then of the other games that the caller brought up! I am so jealous of those that can remember things.
My wife's grandpa is 89 years old and is always telling stories about his childhood. I will be the grandpa that makes up stories because I have CRS Syndrome (can't remember sh!t).
Numbers. I have always remembered numbers, whether it be dates, math, ages, etc.
I loved football, and still love it, but I am pretty sure I would have lightened up my hitting had I known what it was doing to my brain. For this reason alone, I am glad I have 4 daughters and no sons.
Last week tanner lee took a shot the defensive player hit lee and came up with his helmet right it to lee's chin face, my question isn't that a personal foul it was after he threw the pass to me it should have been roughing the passer or targeting but not a call nothing
I saw a game 2 weeks ago where the tackler hit the ball carrier centermast in the chest, wrapped up with both arms. Sounds good so far? The problem was the crown of his helmet came up into the ball carriers face mask, who's helmet was so loose it cause his helmet to come off when he hit the ground. Ejection.
The Florida State player, Pugh, barely touched the running back from NC state with his arm and got called for targeting because it touched his helmet. It was by far the worst one i have ever seen. If it's not bad enough, trhey have to leave the field. They have to be escorted off the field like they're criminals.
I'll listen to the opinions of people who actually played football, thank you.
Sorry you've experienced bad symptoms....
Plenty of people have had concussions and are fine long term.
But that's not the argument. Throwing players out doesn't change the hit.
Agreed it’s a free country, but the funny part to me is all the talk of targeting and all the other teams and players mentioned, the only one you was focused on and made a favorable comment towards was the one against Williams. Sometimes I wonder if you even like the Huskers at all?? Definitely debatable at best. Because honestly, unless I missed it, no one was focused on the Williams hit or having issues against it. The one I remember was a person saying he didn’t remember seeing a flag, that the call from the booth. Hell I got his point. Refs didn’t even think it was a hit that drew a flag.
Maybe we were the only school that was taught to see what you're tackling. We were taught that to avoid head and neck injuries you needed to keep your head up and not lead with the crown of your helmet. Who knows what would of happened, but if our guy would have had his head up and then made contact then it might have been let go.
I got my concussion my senior year in high school I was on the d line went helmet to helmet with a offensive lineman a giant heat butt I saw plenty of stars blacked out for a bit actually don't remember playing rest of the game next day had a massive headache nothing like it before or after mom took me to Dr Monday morning he said I had a concussion prescribed me codine he absolutely said no practice or game that week.
That was 1979 as of now more neck issues than anything. I somewhat attribute it to small school and you selected your gear that fit somewhat the best not even close to being perfect
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Mine worst one was not helmet to helmet. I got lit up going out of bounds. They told me after that my head bounced off the concrete long jump run way after.
wow that's nasty just like the old school gymnasium that the wall was 2 feet from the out of bounds line I happened to see a baseball player get shoved into the wall breaks his arm it actually was a compound fracture but got covered with a towel really fast
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Some suggestion of behavioral - cognitive problems in later life playing tackle football at younger ages. Aaron Hernandez with advanced CTE despite very little time in NFL
I don't know what the evidence is ultimately going to conclude but I know for more and more there is going to have to be conclusive evidence that football DOES NOT cause long term neuro cognitive deficits before engaging rather than evidence that football does cause damage before stopping.
More and more the burden is on football to prove it is safe.
Some suggestion of behavioral - cognitive problems in later life playing tackle football at younger ages. Aaron Hernandez with advanced CTE despite very little time in NFL
I don't know what the evidence is ultimately going to conclude but I know for more and more there is going to have to be conclusive evidence that football DOES NOT cause long term neuro cognitive deficits before engaging rather than evidence that football does cause damage before stopping.
More and more the burden is on football to prove it is safe.
I have a feeling dick butkus would of got a lot of targeting calls, and jack ham, and them oakland raiders hanes and hayes
It's a lot more than half. I'd say more like 90-95% are football plays and there shouldn't be an ejection when making a football play.
I don't think football is a natural game to be honest. It's not natural to have two 200 pound guys who run sub 4.5 40's running full speed and hitting each other going opposite directions. That's one thing I hated about playing football. I think rugby would be fun to get into though. At least in rugby, you have to slow down to make a tackle.
The ejection portion exists to make it a deterrent. If you make it a do it twice and your out think it frees people up to intentionally target someone.
Kind of silly to think someone would do it on purpose in modern football, but I understand why its worded the way it is. There needs to be more subjectivity to the review for the ejection to determine intent is more than likely the answer.
Kind of silly to think someone would do it on purpose in modern football, but I understand why its worded the way it is. There needs to be more subjectivity to the review for the ejection to determine intent is more than likely the answer.
Allow them to eject, but also keep a player in the game with this call (similar to the flagrent 1 vs the flagrent 2 call in the NBA).
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No one's going to intentionally target someone if you take out the ejection penalty. It's the stupidest rule in sports.