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Sorry, Rivals insisted on making this hyperlink a media control which showed a blank space. Making it just text allowed me to post it. You’ll have to copy and paste into your browser. I’m on my phone, so I’m not dedicated enough to troubleshoot.
 

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You have to remember the clear superiority of a UT education which this young man's writing skills clearly demonstrate.
 

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Someone he respects needs to sit down with him and give him a strong lesson on the history of how sports has provided opportunity and helped move the lines of racial divide backwards. It’s up there with just about any legislation, movements, or protests. Sports are one of the great equalizers of men. Has this kid ever heard of the Olympics and its historical purpose?
 

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Honestly I don't even want to know what many of these athletes think about things. 99% of the time I will be disappointed
 
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Someone he respects needs to sit down with him and give him a strong lesson on the history of how sports has provided opportunity and helped move the lines of racial divide backwards. It’s up there with just about any legislation, movements, or protests. Sports are one of the great equalizers of men. Has this kid ever heard of the Olympics and its historical purpose?

I get what you're saying I am just not sure a relatively recent, and on point example, suggests that is the case anymore; see Colin Kaepernick. It is clear he tried to use sports, his platform, to make a statement about the elephant in the room...and for lack of a better term he was black balled by NFL owners.
 

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I get what you're saying I am just not sure a relatively recent, and on point example, suggests that is the case anymore; see Colin Kaepernick. It is clear he tried to use sports, his platform, to make a statement about the elephant in the room...and for lack of a better term he was black balled by NFL owners.
Where Kaepernick went wrong is he didn’t start his protest until after Chip decided Gabbert was going to be his QB. Back-ups don’t carry same clout.
 

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You have to remember the clear superiority of a UT education which this young man's writing skills clearly demonstrate.
That aside, his action and motive is not an issue for me because he has a right to do this. I would feel this way even if he played at OU, as I feel about Chanse Sylvie's remarks about police reform.
What concerns me most these days is having no president or presidential candidate who can unify this country. This is no longer a UNITED States.....politicians and a propagandist media have made this divisiveness happen. We are being played off against each other.
 

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I can’t say I follow his logic, so I won’t argue with something I don’t understand.

I will say this. I’m so sick of the trending phrase, “at the end of the day...”. It has reached critical point now where if I hear someone say it, I immediately imagine them not being very bright. But at the end of the day, I’ll get over it.

//bleacherreport.com/articles/2894722-texas-wr-brennan-eagles-i-wont-play-another-snap-amid-racial-injustice

Oh, Well! He seen his duty, and he done it...Whatever...
 
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Where Kaepernick went wrong is he didn’t start his protest until after Chip decided Gabbert was going to be his QB. Back-ups don’t carry same clout.

Good point it had nothing to do with the several unarmed black men who had been shot in the summer before the start of the 2016 season. Just to be clear: are you implying Kaepernick's protest was in part due to not being named the starter?
 

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Good point it had nothing to do with the several unarmed black men who had been shot in the summer before the start of the 2016 season. Just to be clear: are you implying Kaepernick's protest was in part due to not being named the starter?
There are unarmed men shot every year. The Ferguson riot was August of 2014.

What I said was back-ups don’t carry the same clout. He would have had a better platform if he were an activist when he was a relevant NFL quarterback. For whatever reason he didn’t become one until he got benched, but that’s his business.
 

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He's the only receiver that's worth a crap on texASS roster.
 
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I fully support any and all Texsucks players who wish to make a statement by quitting the team.
 
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There are unarmed men shot every year. The Ferguson riot was August of 2014.

What I said was back-ups don’t carry the same clout. He would have had a better platform if he were an activist when he was a relevant NFL quarterback. For whatever reason he didn’t become one until he got benched, but that’s his business.

Yeah I read what you said. My apologies for not being more clear: several unarmed black men had been shot and killed by police officers in the years leading up to the summer of 2016. It reached a crescendo when two more were killed in July of 2016.

I would say Kaepernick has done fine using his platform as a backup QB, continued to do so as he transitioned to an unemployed QB, and now as what some may consider is the face of a movement.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong to dismiss Kaepernick's stance and the possible importance of it. Ironic how he will likely make more of an impact several years after being a back up quarterback.
 

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Yeah I read what you said. My apologies for not being more clear: several unarmed black men had been shot and killed by police officers in the years leading up to the summer of 2016. It reached a crescendo when two more were killed in July of 2016.

I would say Kaepernick has done fine using his platform as a backup QB, continued to do so as he transitioned to an unemployed QB, and now as what some may consider is the face of a movement.

I will be the first to admit I was wrong to dismiss Kaepernick's stance and the possible importance of it. Ironic how he will likely make more of an impact several years after being a back up quarterback.

Do you realize very few black men are killed by the cops, more white men are actually killed (this is in reference to actual police encounters, not population), and more cops are killed by black men than vice versa? This whole racist cop thing is a complete farce.
 

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Good luck to MPLS/St Paul rolling without Cops. It’s good the state has 10,000 lakes as they’ll be needed for fire control
 

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Good luck to MPLS/St Paul rolling without Cops. It’s good the state has 10,000 lakes as they’ll be needed for fire control

And LA is going to severely cut their police budget. This country is going down the tubes in a hurry
 
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Do you realize very few black men are killed by the cops, more white men are actually killed (this is in reference to actual police encounters, not population), and more cops are killed by black men than vice versa? This whole racist cop thing is a complete farce.

I realize many things. I realize anybody can manipulate statistics to state their position (e.g. based on police encounters, not population). I realize approximately 235 black people were shot to death by the police in 2019; approximately 370 white people. I realize I was wrong to so easily dismiss Kaepernick's silent protest (even as a backup QB) against the systematic oppression by the criminal justice system against black people. I realize belting out a statement like, "this whole racist cop thing is a complete farce," is myopic and obtuse. This is not just about cops who may or may not be racist, it is much bigger than that.
 

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Well said, soldier.
I never had an issue with Kaepernick's protest to begin with as I've always believed peaceful protest is everyone's right, but I never realized the importance of it until now. Kaepernick sacrificed his career and his celebrity status with his protest.
We should be past the conservative vs liberal, white vs black, Democrat vs Republican infighting, but that seems like a very quixotic hope on my part.
The horrible event in Minneapolis and the backlash following it should be a once-and-for-all awakening for this country, but as long as the media and politicians make this a blame game....a political football....that can't happen.
That being said, I can't help thinking that some of the protests to some degree are more about Trump hate.
 
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Good point it had nothing to do with the several unarmed black men who had been shot in the summer before the start of the 2016 season. Just to be clear: are you implying Kaepernick's protest was in part due to not being named the starter?

That's exactly what happened.

Where were Kap's issues when he was the starter at Nevada.

Where were Kap's issues when he was the starter in San Fran

Where were Kap's issues when he was benched and a white QB took the starting role. Yep, that's when he suddenly had a concern. Dude is a clown
 
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That's exactly what happened.

Where were Kap's issues when he was the starter at Nevada.

Where were Kap's issues when he was the starter in San Fran

Where were Kap's issues when he was benched and a white QB took the starting role. Yep, that's when he suddenly had a concern. Dude is a clown

I didn't realize there are regulations in place to determine when an American could protest for a cause or that their cause in void because they have a personal gain in it? So I am not confused in the future do you have a link to these guidelines? Appreciate the time and help.
 

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I didn't realize there are regulations in place to determine when an American could protest for a cause or that their cause in void because they have a personal gain in it? So I am not confused in the future do you have a link to these guidelines? Appreciate the time and help.
Kaepernick knows there's a reality beyond football. His playing career was not a factor in his peaceful protest other than it being a way to publicly reveal his feelings.
As Mohammed Ali was condemned for not serving in the military during the Vietnam era, Kaepernick has suffered the same fate, although unlike Ali, he has sacrificed his career as an athlete.
This murder in Minneapolis has opened up a Pandora's box in that the worst elements of both sides are making the most noise....and racial division in America widens even after a civil war that killed 700,000 Americans and an American president, the civil rights movement in the 1960's and two terms of an African American president.
 

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My problem with Kaepernick was the "I hate America" aspects of his message. He lost me when he (1) wore socks depicting cops as pigs, (2) wore t-shirts glorifying Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and (3) repeatedly and publicly praised Cuba's totalitarian regime. Hey, Kap, if Cuba's so great I hear they're accepting move-ins. (However, if you ever decide you want to come back to the States, the Cubans usually aren't too keen on that.)

While the whole George Floyd episode is absolutely disgusting, Kaepernick can still kiss my [rear end].
 

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My problem with Kaepernick was the "I hate America" aspects of his message. He lost me when he (1) wore socks depicting cops as pigs, (2) wore t-shirts glorifying Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and (3) repeatedly and publicly praised Cuba's totalitarian regime. Hey, Kap, if Cuba's so great I hear they're accepting move-ins. (However, if you ever decide you want to come back to the States, the Cubans usually aren't too keen on that.)

While the whole George Floyd episode is absolutely disgusting, Kaepernick can still kiss my [rear end].
I see your point and I don't disagree with your dislike of his expressions.
 

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I realize many things. I realize anybody can manipulate statistics to state their position (e.g. based on police encounters, not population). I realize approximately 235 black people were shot to death by the police in 2019; approximately 370 white people. I realize I was wrong to so easily dismiss Kaepernick's silent protest (even as a backup QB) against the systematic oppression by the criminal justice system against black people. I realize belting out a statement like, "this whole racist cop thing is a complete farce," is myopic and obtuse. This is not just about cops who may or may not be racist, it is much bigger than that.

How do black people fight racism? By being even bigger racists themselves. Makes no sense and is very divisive.
 
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How do black people fight racism? By being even bigger racists themselves. Makes no sense and is very divisive.

Based on your responses, I am guessing you saw nothing wrong with the cop pinning his knee on a man's neck for 8 - 9 minutes...I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree.
 
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Based on your responses, I am guessing you saw nothing wrong with the cop pinning his knee on a man's neck for 8 - 9 minutes...I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree.

That's unfair, but typical of what is going on here. There are all kinds of racism. It is racist to go calling people racist, just because you disagree with their political point of view. That is common right now.

We've had a new form of free speech advocacy in America, spawned by the leftist networks, the left wing predominance on college faculties, and the same views from Hollywood and elsewhere. It says protesting that includes the destruction of businesses, that head nothing to do with Minneapolis, is free speech. And since what happened to one man in Minnesota was so deplorable, that it justifies ruining the lives of other people.

A police officer in California was killed as part of this protesting. Not much was made of the fact that he was African American.

African Americans calling whites or others who disagree with their political point of view, "racist," is just fine in the common media dialogue.. A rational discussion is not allowed.

My father grew up poor in Oklahoma during the depression. He took menial jobs, like shining shoes as a kid, and worked hard all his life to be able to afford to make me the first person in his extended family to go to college. He started at the bottom, and with a willingness to serve his customers, over time lived a decent lower half of the middle class life.

I've had people on this site more than occasionally call me racist, because I'm pretty far on the political right. I deeply resent that. I'm on the right, because I'm a born aginner, who thinks abortion is murder, and I've had this little one man company for 38 years. If I do good work, I eat better.

I believe that the country's worst sin was slavery. I argued with some older racist relatives against their point of view. They were on my mom's side. I avoided seeing my mom much, that last 20 years of her life, because I didn't want my kids being exposed to that bigotry. As a teen in the mid 60's, I was the first white kid in the history of PISD, to room with an African American kid on a road trip. We both ended up at OU.

But the "racist" tag is assigned way too often. It is too often used as a tactic, when rational discussion won't serve the accuser well. Just telling me arrogantly that I cannot understand because I'm not black, is unfair, or worse.

Any person, black, white, brown or whatever color you assign to Asian, can set their mind to living a quality life, if they will do things the right way, and work hard to achieve their goals. The biggest deterrent to achieving those goals, is to blame somebody else for their problems.
 
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That's unfair, but typical of what is going on here. There are all kinds of racism. It is racist to go calling people racist, just because you disagree with their political point of view. That is common right now.

We've had a new form of free speech advocacy in America, spawned by the leftist networks, the left wing predominance on college faculties, and the same views from Hollywood and elsewhere. It says protesting that includes the destruction of businesses, that head nothing to do with Minneapolis, is free speech. And since what happened to one man in Minnesota was so deplorable, that it justifies ruining the lives of other people.

A police officer in California was killed as part of this protesting. Not much was made of the fact that he was African American.

African Americans calling whites or others who disagree with their political point of view, "racist," is just fine. A rational discussion is not allowed.

My father grew up poor in Oklahoma during the depression. He took menial jobs, like shining shoes as a kid, and worked hard all his life to be able to afford to make me the first person in his extended family to go to college. He started at the bottom, and with a willingness to serve his customers, over time lived a decent lower half of the middle class life.

I've had people on this site more than occasionally call me racist, because I'm pretty far on the political right. I deeply resent that. I'm on the right, because I'm a born aginner, who thinks abortion is murder, and I've had this little one man company for 38 years.

I believe that the country's worst sin was slavery. I argued with some older racist relatives against their point of view. They were on my mom's side. I avoided seeing my mom much, that last 20 years of her life, because I didn't want my kids being exposed to that bigotry. As a teen in the mid 60s, I was the first white kid in the history of PISD, to room with an African American kid on a road trip.

But the "racist" tag is assigned way too often. It is too often used as a tactic, when rational discussion won't serve the accuser well. Just telling me arrogantly that I cannot understand because I'm not black, is unfair, or worse.

Any person, black, white, brown or whatever color you assign to Asian, can set their mind to living a quality life, if they will do things the right way, and work hard to achieve their goals. The biggest deterrent to achieving those goals, is to blame somebody else for their problems.

Sure it is fair. When someone hides behind their beliefs with a broad statement meant only as a firestarter, they open themselves up to receive the same.

I appreciate you experience (in life and OU football) as well as your knowledge. I do not always agree with you, which is okay, but respect your point of view;. Mike Stoops may be the exception :).

This country was born with civil unrest, rioting, and casualties. Many important moments in the growth of the United States unfortunately required more than peaceful protesting. I do not agree with the violence, vandalism, and looting...but I do understand it.

I do not consider myself on the right or left, I just try to inform myself the best I can and make a decision based on that. I don't blame the Left (or Right) for gaslighting our current times. People can make their own decisions and live with them. I choose to acknowledge I was wrong to dismiss Kaepernick's protest. I choose to acknowledge the criminal justice system in America, as currently constituted, is disproportionately unfair to blacks. I choose to acknowledge we can do better as a society.

I also choose to voice my differing opinions in a manner I see fit when a poster makes broad, tautological statements. This is not unfair, this is our constitutional right. The fact that you are so sensitive being called a racist or believe it is used to often without justification is probably your issue to resolve; not the Left, not a black person, not anyone.
 

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Based on your responses, I am guessing you saw nothing wrong with the cop pinning his knee on a man's neck for 8 - 9 minutes...I guess we will simply have to agree to disagree.

What a typical response. You can't take one instance and call most cops and white people racist. Its ridiculous
 

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That's unfair, but typical of what is going on here. There are all kinds of racism. It is racist to go calling people racist, just because you disagree with their political point of view. That is common right now.

We've had a new form of free speech advocacy in America, spawned by the leftist networks, the left wing predominance on college faculties, and the same views from Hollywood and elsewhere. It says protesting that includes the destruction of businesses, that head nothing to do with Minneapolis, is free speech. And since what happened to one man in Minnesota was so deplorable, that it justifies ruining the lives of other people.

A police officer in California was killed as part of this protesting. Not much was made of the fact that he was African American.

African Americans calling whites or others who disagree with their political point of view, "racist," is just fine. A rational discussion is not allowed.

My father grew up poor in Oklahoma during the depression. He took menial jobs, like shining shoes as a kid, and worked hard all his life to be able to afford to make me the first person in his extended family to go to college. He started at the bottom, and with a willingness to serve his customers, over time lived a decent lower half of the middle class life.

I've had people on this site more than occasionally call me racist, because I'm pretty far on the political right. I deeply resent that. I'm on the right, because I'm a born aginner, who thinks abortion is murder, and I've had this little one man company for 38 years.

I believe that the country's worst sin was slavery. I argued with some older racist relatives against their point of view. They were on my mom's side. I avoided seeing my mom much, that last 20 years of her life, because I didn't want my kids being exposed to that bigotry. As a teen in the mid 60s, I was the first white kid in the history of PISD, to room with an African American kid on a road trip.

But the "racist" tag is assigned way too often. It is too often used as a tactic, when rational discussion won't serve the accuser well. Just telling me arrogantly that I cannot understand because I'm not black, is unfair, or worse.

Any person, black, white, brown or whatever color you assign to Asian, can set their mind to living a quality life, if they will do things the right way, and work hard to achieve their goals. The biggest deterrent to achieving those goals, is to blame somebody else for their problems.

I agree. You can either strive to succeed or you can blame others and live your life on government assistance.
 
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Sure it is fair. When someone hides behind their beliefs with a broad statement meant only as a firestarter, they open themselves up to receive the same.

I appreciate you experience (in life and OU football) as well as your knowledge. I do not always agree with you, which is okay, but respect your point of view;. Mike Stoops may be the exception :).

This country was born with civil unrest, rioting, and casualties. Many important moments in the growth of the United States unfortunately required more than peaceful protesting. I do not agree with the violence, vandalism, and looting...but I do understand it.

I do not consider myself on the right or left, I just try to inform myself the best I can and make a decision based on that. I don't blame the Left (or Right) for gaslighting our current times. People can make their own decisions and live with them. I choose to acknowledge I was wrong to dismiss Kaepernick's protest. I choose to acknowledge the criminal justice system in America, as currently constituted, is disproportionately unfair to blacks. I choose to acknowledge we can do better as a society.

I also choose to voice my differing opinions in a manner I see fit when a poster makes broad, tautological statements. This is not unfair, this is our constitutional right. The fact that you are so sensitive being called a racist or believe it is used to often without justification is probably your issue to resolve; not the Left, not a black person, not anyone.

I believe you and I could have very reasonable discussions about this privately. We might not agree, but we could shed some light on each other's point of view. The biggest problems in the African American community are not about racism, though few would see it that way.

I prefer Tony Evans' view on this subject. I'd defer to him on any of these matters. Now, he's a longtime pastor in south Dallas, and that would cause many with their own other biases to discard his point of view. But until the family is more valued, and responsibility especially among men makes some serious changes, then no amount of protesting and political posturing is going to change anything.

There is no doubt that America's history on racial issues is ungodly. Those who tried to justify slavery biblically, grieved the God we serve.

But there is an intended duplicity in the way this is being reported. And the anti-police rhetoric is foolish. 50 years ago, you frequently in this part of the world, would hear anecdotal evidence about something done by some African American person as justification for racism. The unfair evil of that was rightly pointed out.

This painting all police officers with the same broad brush is just as evil.
 

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There has been a lot of defacing the lone Heissman statue and a large percentage of the walls around Kinnick Stadium in Iowa City over the weekend, unfortunately
 

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The accusation of racism is too often being recklessly used these days and the micro-sensitivity by so many is now adding to the problem as the real racism that has always been part of our nation's history.
When an NBA announcer, Grant Napear, declares that "all lives matter....every single one !" and then loses his job after 32 years, that to me is disturbing....and up until last week, I thought "all lives matter" was a sensible, sensitive sentiment by open and fair minded people.
The civil rights movement in the 1960's was well intended and overdue, but as the rules for welfare were relaxed, the illegitimacy rate soared and the traditionally role of the father figure within black families began to disappear. Then, as white fight from the inner cities occurred, leaving inner city schools all black and deteriorating, the downward cycle continued. Blacks were denied the traditional assimilation that marked America throughout its history and were now no longer expected....and no longer allowed....to meet the standard of whites. This has resulted in a backlash of attitudes towards those who constantly want an advantage enabled by government.
 

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The accusation of racism is too often being recklessly used these days and the micro-sensitivity by so many is now adding to the problem as the real racism that has always been part of our nation's history.
When an NBA announcer, Grant Napear, declares that "all lives matter....every single one !" and then loses his job after 32 years, that to me is disturbing....and up until last week, I thought "all lives matter" was a sensible, sensitive sentiment by open and fair minded people.
The civil rights movement in the 1960's was well intended and overdue, but as the rules for welfare were relaxed, the illegitimacy rate soared and the traditionally role of the father figure within black families began to disappear. Then, as white fight from the inner cities occurred, leaving inner city schools all black and deteriorating, the downward cycle continued. Blacks were denied the traditional assimilation that marked America throughout its history and were now no longer expected....and no longer allowed....to meet the standard of whites. This has resulted in a backlash of attitudes towards those who constantly want an advantage enabled by government.

so you are saying many blacks stopped getting married and had more children in order to gain more welfare?
 
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so you are saying many blacks stopped getting married and had more children in order to gain more welfare?
I don't think he's saying that. But the guys I grew up with had a community where parents watched out for each other. Families mattered. The more government tried to help, the less the traditional roles of family to take care of each other, went downward. That wasn't just in the black community. There is, or at least should be, a difference between a safety net, and a reliant lifestyle. When government does things, the corruption increases. And the political favors give more power to those who want more control.

It didn't work in the Soviet Union, and if we are so unfortunate that socialists win, our nation will be on the road to self destruction.