The 3-Point Takedown - Folkstyle's Sea Change

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3 point takedown, 3 point reversal, 1 point for a force out if you have opponent’s leg and opponent doesn’t have your leg/ankle in scramble (rewards aggressive wrestler who can’t finish edge takedown). No review of force outs.
 

El_Jefe

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"No review of stepout" means if the ref screwed up and it should've been a takedown, too bad.

Is that what we want?
 

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"No review of stepout" means if the ref screwed up and it should've been a takedown, too bad.

Is that what we want?
That would be a review for a takedown. We could see takedown reviews end in step out points instead. But challenging the step out wouldn't be allowed. I also say 1 point for a failed challenge. No more BS bricks to get a break
 
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El_Jefe

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That would be a review for a takedown. We could see takedown reviews end in step out points instead. But challenging the step out wouldn't be allowed. I also say 1 point for a failed challenge. No more BS bricks to get a break
Lunger bricks are a pox on the sport.

You'd think NCAA Wrestling would've cringed hard enough to do something about it, when Rock Harrison gushed about Kevin Dresser using a lunger brick on an obviously doomed challenge in the nationally televised Iowa-Iowa State dual (IIRC it was the 174 Kennedy-Gaitan match). And you'd be an idiot for thinking so.
 

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Lunger bricks are a pox on the sport.

You'd think NCAA Wrestling would've cringed hard enough to do something about it, when Rock Harrison gushed about Kevin Dresser using a lunger brick on an obviously doomed challenge in the nationally televised Iowa-Iowa State dual (IIRC it was the 174 Kennedy-Gaitan match). And you'd be an idiot for thinking so.
Rules were changed last summer and can't be changed again until next summer 2027. They meet on odd # years and make changes. I think its BS and they should meet yearly
 
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El_Jefe

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Rules were changed last summer and can't be changed again until next summer 2027. They meet on odd # years and make changes. I think its BS and they should meet yearly
Yeah, I know ... and I have sub-zero expectations of it being addressed in 2027.

I'm not sure I agree with rule changes annually. Part of me agrees. Another part of me says that there's a high chance of annual changes intermingling with each other, so that we will rarely understand the effects of any one change. Would love to be wrong ... but my job says good luck with that.

IMO USA Wrestling should have some kind of agreement between the varying levels, so that intended rules changes can be tested at big offseason events like Super 32 regardless of age group. Big enough event to get good data, and offseason so it doesn't hurt anybody's records. Baseball is far smarter about this, testing rule changes in the minor leagues first. Wrestling, less smart.
 

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We have Cael to blame for all of this.

"It's just a game, go out and score points, and have FUN ... it's okay to lose."

If Cael didn't introduce this mindset to the sport, everything would still be copacetic. Coaches who believe that 'winning is the only thing' have had to adapt. Now it's 'win at any cost' even if it means not wrestling for 6.5 minutes.

Rather than trying to outwrestle us, they try to steal a WIN. To them, that's all that matters. If a ref does have the temerity to call stalling, they are sure to jump down his throat so that he knows better next time.

I do feel for the refs, they are in a tough spot, but right now they are nescient coconspirators in the plot. The rules are in place, the refs just have to call the obvious.
 
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