The Big Ten wants a 24-28 team playoff

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Because 24 works great for FCS and we should be mirroring that.
And, we agree, I'm all for a super-conference with the Big Ten/SEC and the 12-16 team playoff they would create. But some of the things that made college football great to many (bowl games for example) are outdated. They just don't have the same meaning now.
If you want to mirror the FCS format you're gonna need to hand out more autobids to G5 conference champs. That's something none of the people in charge seem willing to do.

If you want better football why do you watch NCAA instead of the NFL?
 

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The current setup is actually the most access any team has ever had. How many undefeated seasons did we produce with less than 1% chance to play for the title? '68, '69, '73. Heck. Go back to '94 and we plowed through the Big 10 (believe it was the first undefeated regular season a Big 10 team accomplished since '68 Buckeyes) and couldn't even get a split vote between the polls (even though they had just done split Champs in the 5 years prior twice).

The biggest problem with the current playoff is the incorporating of the bowls after 1st round games. We don't need that. Play at the higher seed and be done with it.
Give everyone (conferences) the same access != current setup is the most access any team has ever had
 

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If you are not in the top 8 you have no claim to a championship. It should have gone to 8 and stopped there.
I'd be ok with that providing that espn had zero input on any computer rankings or power rankings that would determine the top 8.
 
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So, out of curiosity--I ran your 16 team playoff--it's rough--maybe 3 per conference I could get buy in because you'd have

AAC: Army (1)
ACC: Clemson (2) and SMU (3)
Big XII: Arizona State (4) and Iowa State (5)
Big Ten: Oregon (6) and Penn State (7)
CUSA: Jacksonville State (8)
IND: Notre Dame (9)
MAC: Ohio (10)
MWC: Boise State (11)
SEC: Texas (12) & Georgia (13)
SB: Marshall (14)

I have no idea how we'd reasonably get two more

You add a third Big Ten (Ohio State) and SEC (Tennessee) I'd be content though Indiana is livid with Iowa State and SMU getting in over them.
Boohoo, so and so is livid. When you expand to 24 teams, the 25th team will be livid. When you expand to 64 teams, the 65th will be livid. Do better in your conference and win your games and it's not an issue. If you put a format like this is place you put the pressure on the conferences to make sure they have a scheduling format in place to identify their best teams. That resolves so many of the scheduling disparity issues between conferences and makes it easier to identify who is the best in each conference, then you settle the conference vs conference arguments on the field. With this format you could even expand to more conference games played to better ensure a more accurate conference standing.
 
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If you want to mirror the FCS format you're gonna need to hand out more autobids to G5 conference champs. That's something none of the people in charge seem willing to do.

If you want better football why do you watch NCAA instead of the NFL?
Yes, I want all conferences to get an auto bid
I watch both
 

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Boohoo, so and so is livid. When you expand to 24 teams, the 25th team will be livid. When you expand to 64 teams, the 65th will be livid. Do better in your conference and win your games and it's not an issue. If you put a format like this is place you put the pressure on the conferences to make sure they have a scheduling format in place to identify their best teams. That resolves so many of the scheduling disparity issues between conferences and makes it easier to identify who is the best in each conference, then you settle the conference vs conference arguments on the field. With this format you could even expand to more conference games played to better ensure a more accurate conference standing.
But who do you reasonable put in if you don't give the Big Ten and SEC 3 teams?
I don't understand why you're so dead set on rewarding weaker schedules. This format encourages far less competitive games.
Again, if you simply alter it slightly by saying no more than 3 from any conference with all conference winners you sold me so I'm not sure why this is your response. I said I'd be content EVEN IF Indiana is livid--I didn't say I cared.
 

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28 team playoff means 5 games for some teams. That's half a season.
 

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28 team playoff means 5 games for some teams. That's half a season.
Is it different than our run last year? If we beat Notre Dame then we play 5 with the CCG which won't exist in this new format.
It also would be rare those playing in the first round make a final.
 

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What are you talking about? I've proved you wrong multiple times

He didn't have to enter the portal by the 28th. That was a false statement you made.

Penn State's team rule of once you enter the portal you can't play is why he was gone.

I'm sorry you don't know anything about football and can't accept you're wrong.
No, you haven't.

You said Pribula was forced out by a team rule. You are wrong.
It's this simple: Did Pribula leave when he did due to a team rule, yes or no?

Answer's "no", chief. Franklin, himself, said that you are wrong. But I guess you know better than the head coach of the team, right?

If you want to argue that there's nuance to this topic-- that there was no reason Pribula had to leave when he did, he could have stayed through the playoff run...? Fine. I would even agree with that. It's a confusing situation that doesn't seem like it made sense for anyone involved.

It does seem reasonable to suggest that Beau and Franklin placing the blame on the NCAA portal rules is misguided. I think Franklin's perspective is that the portal shouldn't open at all until the playoffs are over because it's too much of a distraction. I don't know. The situation seems very muddled.
 
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No, you haven't.

You said Pribula was forced out by a team rule. You are wrong.
It's this simple: Did Pribula leave when he did due to a team rule, yes or no?

Answer's "no", chief. Franklin, himself, said that you are wrong. But I guess you know better than the head coach of the team, right?

If you want to argue that there's nuance to this topic-- that there was no reason Pribula had to leave when he did, he could have stayed through the playoff run...? Fine. I would even agree with that. It's a confusing situation that doesn't seem like it made sense for anyone involved.

It does seem reasonable to suggest that Beau and Franklin placing the blame on the NCAA portal rules is misguided. I think Franklin's perspective is that the portal shouldn't open at all until the playoffs are over because it's too much of a distraction. I don't know. The situation seems very muddled.
The answer is "yes".

I wasn't wrong. Once he entered the portal the team rule forced him to leave. FACT

It made perfect sense to everyone. See everyone on our roster that stayed until we were eliminated then entered the portal. Something you said wasn't an option. It was. Beau just didn't like it. 12/28 was not the deadline as was falsely claimed.

At the end of the day, Beau did what was best for him. He was emotional about Allar deciding to stay and made an emotional decision. Instead of owning that he blamed the NCAA which many fans blindly believed because the dislike the portal. And Franklin used the situation in hopes of creating change.

It's okay to acknowledge I'm correct here that Beau had other options and the Penn State rule is the only reason he couldn't continue to play while in the portal (see Devin Brown winning a title while in the portal) while still saying you hate the rule

Contrary to what Beau has said. He had options. He just didn't like them.
 

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Is it different than our run last year? If we beat Notre Dame then we play 5 with the CCG which won't exist in this new format.
It also would be rare those playing in the first round make a final.
It would mean possibly 5 more games instead of 4 more games.

I remember back in 1994 when PSU was undefeated but denied the national championship. It was an 11 game regular season + a bowl game. Paterno wanted a playoff but those opposed said they were concerned about players missing class time. I always thought the 4 major bowls should be the top 8 teams in the first round of playoffs. 4 teams would play one more game and 2 teams would play two more games. That seemed manageable.

Since then they went from 11 to 12 regular season games and they added a conference championship game. So 11 goes to 13. Now add 5 more games in the playoffs. The maximum number of games would have gone from 12 to 18. Today it's all about the $$$. Academics and excessive wear and tear on young bodies is an afterthought.
 
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Again, you're wrong
College football transfer portal: Winter window closed Dec. 28, but exceptions keep player movement alive - CBSSports.com

Key exceptions to the deadline​

Players involved in postseason play have extra time to enter the portal. Any athlete participating in a bowl game or playoff has a five-day window to enter the portal after their season ends. For instance, players in Jan. 1 bowl games have until Jan. 6, while those in the Jan. 20 national championship game have until Jan. 25.


How did Wallace leave? How did Evans leave? Both in January

Penn State Football: Two Penn State Starting Receivers Enter NCAA Transfer Portal

Just because you want to blindly defend Beau (guessing I know who you are) doesn't mean you can ignore facts
I don't know about team rules but I'm confident that Pribula left when he did because Allar said he was coming back. Pribula wanted to start somewhere for 2 years and teams were already accepting transfers and making NIL deals. The longer he waited the fewer opportunities would be available to him.
 

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It would mean possibly 5 more games instead of 4 more games.

I remember back in 1994 when PSU was undefeated but denied the national championship. It was an 11 game regular season + a bowl game. Paterno wanted a playoff but those opposed said they were concerned about players missing class time. I always thought the 4 major bowls should be the top 8 teams in the first round of playoffs. 4 teams would play one more game and 2 teams would play two more games. That seemed manageable.

Since then they went from 11 to 12 regular season games and they added a conference championship game. So 11 goes to 13. Now add 5 more games in the playoffs. The maximum number of games would have gone from 12 to 18. Today it's all about the $$$. Academics and excessive wear and tear on young bodies is an afterthought.
It's still 5 more games as the CCG won't exist. And it's still 4 games for the top 8 seeds who are likely to reach a title game.
 

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I don't know about team rules but I'm confident that Pribula left when he did because Allar said he was coming back. Pribula wanted to start somewhere for 2 years and teams were already accepting transfers and making NIL deals. The longer he waited the fewer opportunities would be available to him.
This is fair and accurate but Beau had options and the team rule forced him to leave once he entered the portal. We all agree the system is awful but it's a factual statement he didn't have to enter the portal by 12/28 and other programs would have allowed him to play while in the portal.

Plus if we're being honest...he doesn't have to enter the portal to talk to other schools. His agent could have handled all that for him. It's why kids announce within days of entering the portal where they're going.

Bad system...just being honest that Beau had options. He made a choice and made multiple inaccurate statements instead of just saying he was going what was best for himself.
 

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... excessive wear and tear on young bodies is an afterthought.

The kids are being paid now. In addition to the education and room and board. The training tables. Doctor access. It's a conscious choice. If you want to play, it's a 365 lifestyle.

If you are concerned with wear and tear, don't play. The real world will gladly take them and apply similar wear and tear with no educational opportunities.
 
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The kids are being paid now. In addition to the education and room and board. The training tables. Doctor access. It's a conscious choice. If you want to play, it's a 365 lifestyle.

If you are concerned with wear and tear, don't play. The real world will gladly take them and apply similar wear and tear with no educational opportunities.
The wear and tear might be something that helps get us to collective bargaining, eventually. They could negotiate some medical needs clauses to cover injuries post graduation for a period of time. It's probably not something many of these 20 year olds think about, but it's something they should ask for.
 

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The wear and tear might be something that helps get us to collective bargaining, eventually. They could negotiate some medical needs clauses to cover injuries post graduation for a period of time. It's probably not something many of these 20 year olds think about, but it's something they should ask for.

It very well could be. Definitely a down the road concern less than 5% probably have ever thought of.

The issue is, collective bargaining probably limits NIL. Why would players sign away the current free-for-all that is NIL, revenue sharing, and unlimited transfers? The schools are probably thrilled that the revenue share is capped at $20 million AND split between all sports. Collective bargaining means "we see you just signed a $20 billion contract here, we want revenue sharing increased."
 

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It would mean possibly 5 more games instead of 4 more games.

I remember back in 1994 when PSU was undefeated but denied the national championship. It was an 11 game regular season + a bowl game. Paterno wanted a playoff but those opposed said they were concerned about players missing class time. I always thought the 4 major bowls should be the top 8 teams in the first round of playoffs. 4 teams would play one more game and 2 teams would play two more games. That seemed manageable.

Since then they went from 11 to 12 regular season games and they added a conference championship game. So 11 goes to 13. Now add 5 more games in the playoffs. The maximum number of games would have gone from 12 to 18. Today it's all about the $$$. Academics and excessive wear and tear on young bodies is an afterthought.
Just like to point out that FCS kids have been dealing with this additional wear and tear and academic stress for a while now and I’ve heard little outcry.
 
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Just like to point out that FCS kids have been dealing with this additional wear and tear and academic stress for a while now and I’ve heard little outcry.

They, smartly, play straight on through. No big gaps between the end of the regular season and their games.

Why did the CFB playoff have a 3 week gap between the ccg week and the Quarterfinals? Then another gap of nearly 2 weeks before the Semis.