The climax and free fall of Coach Collins

Mr Wickerpark

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For Coach Collins, the Climax, and free fall happened simultaneously and it appears Coach hasnt got over it.
Gonzaga, and our D gets a stop but the ref missed the call but nailed Collins with a T.
From that point, it has become a real crap show. I have no answers as to why but something is wrong.
 

TheB1GTerp

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For Coach Collins, the Climax, and free fall happened simultaneously and it appears Coach hasnt got over it.
Gonzaga, and our D gets a stop but the ref missed the call but nailed Collins with a T.
From that point, it has become a real crap show. I have no answers as to why but something is wrong.

It's a bad year, and I hate every Duke guy, except Lefty Driesel, Collins is a good coach, give him a chance to rebound.
 
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Collins has picked up a bad habit that makes him look very foolish. Frequently when there is a call by a ref that goes against the Cats, CC turns around and appears to complain to his staff behind him about the call. He does it repeatedly and they keep showing it on TV. It's very unprofessional and even somewhat childish. Someone needs to point it out to him and get him to stop doing it. It reflects poorly not only on him, but on the University as well.
 

Hungry Jack

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For Coach Collins, the Climax, and free fall happened simultaneously and it appears Coach hasnt got over it.
Gonzaga, and our D gets a stop but the ref missed the call but nailed Collins with a T.
From that point, it has become a real crap show. I have no answers as to why but something is wrong.
Turk,

The ball is round.
The court is rectangular.
And you are full of ****.
 

Gocatsgo2003

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Collins has picked up a bad habit that makes him look very foolish. Frequently when there is a call by a ref that goes against the Cats, CC turns around and appears to complain to his staff behind him about the call. He does it repeatedly and they keep showing it on TV. It's very unprofessional and even somewhat childish. Someone needs to point it out to him and get him to stop doing it. It reflects poorly not only on him, but on the University as well.

Seriously?
 

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It's a bad year, and I hate every Duke guy, except Lefty Driesel, Collins is a good coach, give him a chance to rebound.
It isn't one year. It's a precipitous 3 year slide with no acceptable reason. Although, if he can rebound, we could use him on the floor.

Disclaimer, the OP is F.O.S. as noted above
 

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Collins has picked up a bad habit that makes him look very foolish. Frequently when there is a call by a ref that goes against the Cats, CC turns around and appears to complain to his staff behind him about the call. He does it repeatedly and they keep showing it on TV. It's very unprofessional and even somewhat childish. Someone needs to point it out to him and get him to stop doing it. It reflects poorly not only on him, but on the University as well.

I assume this is not serious. Coaches do this all the time and nobody cares.
 

Sec_112

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... It reflects poorly not only on him, but on the University as well.

I like these eeeeeeeevery-once-in-a-while reminders of the traditional NU approach. They keep me grounded and remind me why the NU athletic history is what it is.

Will someone let me know the next time US News references Collins' sideline demeanor in its review of NU?
 

Hungry Jack

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Complaints about CCC's sideline demeanor remind me of complaints about Fitz' postgame pressers.
 

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Collins has picked up a bad habit that makes him look very foolish. Frequently when there is a call by a ref that goes against the Cats, CC turns around and appears to complain to his staff behind him about the call. He does it repeatedly and they keep showing it on TV. It's very unprofessional and even somewhat childish. Someone needs to point it out to him and get him to stop doing it. It reflects poorly not only on him, but on the University as well.

This board has a long and distinguished history of posts that are utter nonsense, but I do believe there hasn't been one more nonsensical that this. There are lots of issues in the program, but Coach Collins turning around to talk to his staff is not one of them.
 
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This board has a long and distinguished history of posts that are utter nonsense, but I do believe there hasn't been one more nonsensical that this. There are lots of issues in the program, but Coach Collins turning around to talk to his staff is not one of them.

It's not that he is simply talking to them. He turns around after a call by the refs that he doesn't like and acts foolish about it. He waves his arms and it's clear he is complaining to his staff about it.

You can tell from their faces what it is all about. No one is talking back to him. They are just sitting there staring ahead and not even looking at him. It really appears that they are trying their best to not pay any attention to him.

It's as though he is telling them - it's not my fault we are getting our asses kicked, it's the refs fault.

In one of the recent games he did this repeatedly and they kept showing on it TV. I've never seen any other coach do this and it reflects poorly on him and the school.

This is not utter nonsense as you state. It is an unfortunate habit that he has acquired.
 
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hoosboot

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It's not that he is simply talking to them. He turns around after a call by the refs that he doesn't like and acts foolish about it. He waves his arms and it's clear he is complaining to his staff about it.

You can tell from their faces what it is all about. No one is talking back to him. They are just sitting there staring ahead and not even looking at him. It really appears that they are trying their best to not pay any attention to him.

It's as though he is telling them - it's not my fault we are getting our asses kicked, it's the refs fault.

In one of the recent games he did this repeatedly and they kept showing on it TV. I've never seen any other coach do this and it reflects poorly on him and the school.

This is not utter nonsense as you state. It is an unfortunate habit that he has acquired.

Okay, totally my bad. I got that wrong. There now is a post more nonsensical than that other one you made.
 
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Okay, totally my bad. I got that wrong. There now is a post more nonsensical than that other one you made.

You can offer any comments about me you like, I don't really care. But I'm sticking by my description of what I have seen on TV.

And I'm sorry that you don't seem to care as much about Collins embarrassing himself as I do.
 
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You can offer any comments about me you like, I don't really care. But I'm sticking by my description of what I have seen on TV.

And I'm sorry that you don't seem to care as much about Collins embarrassing himself as I do.
Talk about embarrassing yourself, yeeeesh.
 

willycat

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It's not that he is simply talking to them. He turns around after a call by the refs that he doesn't like and acts foolish about it. He waves his arms and it's clear he is complaining to his staff about it.

You can tell from their faces what it is all about. No one is talking back to him. They are just sitting there staring ahead and not even looking at him. It really appears that they are trying their best to not pay any attention to him.

It's as though he is telling them - it's not my fault we are getting our asses kicked, it's the refs fault.

In one of the recent games he did this repeatedly and they kept showing on it TV. I've never seen any other coach do this and it reflects poorly on him and the school.

This is not utter nonsense as you state. It is an unfortunate habit that he has acquired.
You must have not watched NU games when Carmody coached. Not that there is anything wrong about it.
 

hoosboot

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You can offer any comments about me you like, I don't really care. But I'm sticking by my description of what I have seen on TV.

And I'm sorry that you don't seem to care as much about Collins embarrassing himself as I do.

I didn't make any comments about you. I identified the posts you made as the nonsense they are. I would very much care about Collins embarrassing himself if he actually was doing it, but he's not. The person who seems embarrassed is you. Perchance that is a you thing (that is what a comment about you looks like.) Regardless, on the list of problems in the program, Collins purportedly turning to talk to/complain to his staff after a call by the refs would not be in the top 1,000 problems if it even were a problem (which it isn't.)
 
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I didn't make any comments about you. I identified the posts you made as the nonsense they are. I would very much care about Collins embarrassing himself if he actually was doing it, but he's not. The person who seems embarrassed is you. Perchance that is a you thing (that is what a comment about you looks like.) Regardless, on the list of problems in the program, Collins purportedly turning to talk to/complain to his staff after a call by the refs would not be in the top 1,000 problems if it even were a problem (which it isn't.)

You have your opinion about what he does, and I have mine. I've watched a lot of basketball on TV and have never seen a coach do what Collins does and certainly not as often as he does it. And it's not just purportedly; it's a fact. So while you may not consider it embarrassing behavior, I do.

And I'm not against Collins. Actually I'm big fan of his, which is why this behavior troubles me.

Nothing makes you more right about this than me. Not changing my mind.
 

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You have your opinion about what he does, and I have mine. I've watched a lot of basketball on TV and have never seen a coach do what Collins does and certainly not as often as he does it. And it's not just purportedly; it's a fact. So while you may not consider it embarrassing behavior, I do.

And I'm not against Collins. Actually I'm big fan of his, which is why this behavior troubles me.

Nothing makes you more right about this than me. Not changing my mind.
Much ado over nothing
 

willycat

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You have your opinion about what he does, and I have mine. I've watched a lot of basketball on TV and have never seen a coach do what Collins does and certainly not as often as he does it. And it's not just purportedly; it's a fact. So while you may not consider it embarrassing behavior, I do.

And I'm not against Collins. Actually I'm big fan of his, which is why this behavior troubles me.

Nothing makes you more right about this than me. Not changing my mind.
How does any of this effect the playing of the game? How?
 
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How does any of this effect the playing of the game? How?

Because the players on the bench see this outburst as well and it makes their leader, CC, appear weak. It looks like he has lost control of the game and is blaming it on the refs. Pleading with his staff accomplishes nothing.

Showing his anger to the refs would be a lot better, and he does that sometimes. It's the other times when he turns around and appears to complain to the staff behind him that make him look weak.

I think this can be demoralizing to the players on the bench who see it, and that could very well affect the game. So yes, I see this as an important problem.

Most of you don't agree, but I don't care. That's how I see it.
 
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Because the players on the bench see this outburst as well and it makes their leader, CC, appear weak. It looks like he has lost control of the game and is blaming it on the refs. Pleading with his staff accomplishes nothing.

Showing his anger to the refs would be a lot better, and he does that sometimes. It's the other times when he turns around and appears to complain to the staff behind him that make him look weak.

I think this can be demoralizing to the players on the bench who see it, and that could very well affect the game. So yes, I see this as an important problem.

Most of you don't agree, but I don't care. That's how I see it.
...I’m speechless at this take. You’re really approaching skip bayless tweets level of accuracy here.
 
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...I’m speechless at this take. You’re really approaching skip bayless tweets level of accuracy here.

I've never heard of Skip Bayless, don't know who he is, and couldn't care less about his tweets.

There is nothing inaccurate about my description of Collin's behavior. It's right there on the recordings from virtually every recent game. Play them back if you still have them, and you will see that what he has been doing is exactly what I described.

The only thing that's up for debate is how it makes him look and any affect it may have on the team. I've made my thoughts on that clear. Others disagree and that's fine. But perhaps my perception of his behavior is better than theirs. I think it is. Your are welcome to disagree.
 
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hoosboot

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There is nothing inaccurate about my description of Collin's behavior. It's right there on the recordings from virtually every recent game. Play them back if you still have them, and you will see that what he has been doing is exactly what I described.

Since you insist that you know exactly what is happening, could you tell the rest of us what CCC says when he turns away from the court (and the camera) and talks to his assistants? And also could you let the rest of us what the players have said it makes them feel? And also how it devastatingly impacts not only Northwestern's prospects in games but the overall reputation of the university?

I mean, since you watch a lot of basketball on TV and all, you've got a truly special feel for the game and one is compelled to absorb such teaching. It's really nice that someone with such special insight for the game (and really sports psychology as a whole) so willingly welcomes others to disagree with him. /s
 
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Since you insist that you know exactly what is happening, could you tell the rest of us what CCC says when he turns away from the court (and the camera) and talks to his assistants? And also could you let the rest of us what the players have said it makes them feel? And also how it devastatingly impacts not only Northwestern's prospects in games but the overall reputation of the university?

I mean, since you watch a lot of basketball on TV and all, you've got a truly special feel for the game and one is compelled to absorb such teaching. It's really nice that someone with such special insight for the game (and really sports psychology as a whole) so willingly welcomes others to disagree with him. /s

I'll give you my interpretation. You don't have to accept it. You can make your own. Here is what happens and it does so repeatedly.

The Refs make a questionable call that goes against the Cats. The camera goes to CC. He throws his hands up in the air in disbelief. That part is OK. All coaches do things like that.

But then he turns around to his assistants behind him and continues to gesture about it. Of course you can't hear what he is saying, but you can certainly imagine what it is. He is not saying 'will someone please go get me a burger and a beer'. He obviously is complaining about the call. And his assistants just stare straight ahead essentially ignoring him.

So you got a bad call. It happens all the time to every team. It's part of game. What the f..k does he expect his assistants to do about it and why is he complaining to them?

None of you apparently see this the same way I do. That's OK. My opinion is that it makes him look foolish. You don't agree. Fine. I don't care and I'm not changing mine.

But watch more carefully when this happens in upcoming games, it most probably will, and you might understand better what I'm talking about.
 

EvanstonCat

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I'll give you my interpretation. You don't have to accept it. You can make your own. Here is what happens and it does so repeatedly.

The Refs make a questionable call that goes against the Cats. The camera goes to CC. He throws his hands up in the air in disbelief. That part is OK. All coaches do things like that.

But then he turns around to his assistants behind him and continues to gesture about it. Of course you can't hear what he is saying, but you can certainly imagine what it is. He is not saying 'will someone please go get me a burger and a beer'. He obviously is complaining about the call. And his assistants just stare straight ahead essentially ignoring him.

So you got a bad call. It happens all the time to every team. It's part of game. What the f..k does he expect his assistants to do about it and why is he complaining to them?

None of you apparently see this the same way I do. That's OK. My opinion is that it makes him look foolish. You don't agree. Fine. I don't care and I'm not changing mine.

But watch more carefully when this happens in upcoming games, it most probably will, and you might understand better what I'm talking about.

I went back to my DVR to check this out. Now, I'm no lip reader, but I think he's telling his assistants, look fellas, don't get down on the kids. Let them play through this bull ****. The refs are a bunch of ********, but we can't let them mofo's lose their **** over this. We got this. Go Cats
 

Gocatsgo2003

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I'll give you my interpretation. You don't have to accept it. You can make your own. Here is what happens and it does so repeatedly.

The Refs make a questionable call that goes against the Cats. The camera goes to CC. He throws his hands up in the air in disbelief. That part is OK. All coaches do things like that.

But then he turns around to his assistants behind him and continues to gesture about it. Of course you can't hear what he is saying, but you can certainly imagine what it is. He is not saying 'will someone please go get me a burger and a beer'. He obviously is complaining about the call. And his assistants just stare straight ahead essentially ignoring him.

So you got a bad call. It happens all the time to every team. It's part of game. What the f..k does he expect his assistants to do about it and why is he complaining to them?

None of you apparently see this the same way I do. That's OK. My opinion is that it makes him look foolish. You don't agree. Fine. I don't care and I'm not changing mine.

But watch more carefully when this happens in upcoming games, it most probably will, and you might understand better what I'm talking about.

And even then we still wouldn’t understand why you think it’s such a big deal.
 

willycat

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I'll give you my interpretation. You don't have to accept it. You can make your own. Here is what happens and it does so repeatedly.

The Refs make a questionable call that goes against the Cats. The camera goes to CC. He throws his hands up in the air in disbelief. That part is OK. All coaches do things like that.

But then he turns around to his assistants behind him and continues to gesture about it. Of course you can't hear what he is saying, but you can certainly imagine what it is. He is not saying 'will someone please go get me a burger and a beer'. He obviously is complaining about the call. And his assistants just stare straight ahead essentially ignoring him.

So you got a bad call. It happens all the time to every team. It's part of game. What the f..k does he expect his assistants to do about it and why is he complaining to them?

None of you apparently see this the same way I do. That's OK. My opinion is that it makes him look foolish. You don't agree. Fine. I don't care and I'm not changing mine.

But watch more carefully when this happens in upcoming games, it most probably will, and you might understand better what I'm talking about.
Hey, do you think he may be asking his assistants if they should change the defensive set-up or maybe if so and so may be a better option then Joe Blow? They are coaches , remember and coach the players also. You also realize he has to turn around to talk with them since they are not on the playing floor, right? The fact that NONE of the other posters agree with you, should tell you something.
 
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It's not that he is simply talking to them. He turns around after a call by the refs that he doesn't like and acts foolish about it. He waves his arms and it's clear he is complaining to his staff about it.

You can tell from their faces what it is all about. No one is talking back to him. They are just sitting there staring ahead and not even looking at him. It really appears that they are trying their best to not pay any attention to him.

It's as though he is telling them - it's not my fault we are getting our asses kicked, it's the refs fault.

In one of the recent games he did this repeatedly and they kept showing on it TV. I've never seen any other coach do this and it reflects poorly on him and the school.

This is not utter nonsense as you state. It is an unfortunate habit that he has acquired.
I agree. I would disagree if it was only his way to blow off some negative energy, but it isn't. It gets him angry and off his game. I mean, his 'barbie tantrum' is normal for college basketball coaches. Hell, throw in NBA coaches as well. But what is closely associated with his rants is a brain fart afterwards. That suggest that he allows his emotions to control him. This is a thinking man's game, emotions need to be less. That said, his biggest downfall is that he doesn't seem to grasp any learning system to close out a game, which suggest that he just doesn't listen. Look, I am clueless about basketball but even I can see that it is a ignorant thing to have 100% predictable tendancies when there are 10 seconds left on the clock. In fact, I'll tell you what he will do when the next game is on the line with seconds remaining. He will clear out and isolate one player who dribbles the ball for 15 seconds to drain the clock then tosses up bomb with 3 people on him.
 

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My take:

In isolation, complaining to your assistants, means nothing. Every coach does it. But they don't do it a lot. Just on occasion. I don't know if he does it a lot or not. I don't know you can conclude one way or another without being in the arena. On TV, kind of hard. If a coach is doing it all the time, it suggests to me some insecurity, feeling the need to spread blame around, finding excuses.

As far as being embarrassing, just don't see it. Useless, yes. Embarrassing, no. I still remember watching the first game live when Carmody was the coach. His constant shrugs to his assistants looked to melike a useless exercise. But not an embarrassing one.

Most coaches direct their issues at the referees themselves. Because that puts pressure on them. Kind of like the home court bias. Might not be conscious, but a coach's pressure might swing a call one way or another. If this was not a thing, coaches would not do it. And they all do. To one extent or another, they all do. I kind of wish the NCAA would crack down on it, like they are doing with flopping. Because it seems an unfair advantage for some coaches who, by virtue or status, get away with a lot more than others. It often feels more like an act than anything else. Let me look really pissed off, even if I am not, cause that looks more like I feel so incredibly cheated that the next 50/50 call will go my way.
 

willycat

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My take:

In isolation, complaining to your assistants, means nothing. Every coach does it. But they don't do it a lot. Just on occasion. I don't know if he does it a lot or not. I don't know you can conclude one way or another without being in the arena. On TV, kind of hard. If a coach is doing it all the time, it suggests to me some insecurity, feeling the need to spread blame around, finding excuses.

As far as being embarrassing, just don't see it. Useless, yes. Embarrassing, no. I still remember watching the first game live when Carmody was the coach. His constant shrugs to his assistants looked to melike a useless exercise. But not an embarrassing one.

Most coaches direct their issues at the referees themselves. Because that puts pressure on them. Kind of like the home court bias. Might not be conscious, but a coach's pressure might swing a call one way or another. If this was not a thing, coaches would not do it. And they all do. To one extent or another, they all do. I kind of wish the NCAA would crack down on it, like they are doing with flopping. Because it seems an unfair advantage for some coaches who, by virtue or status, get away with a lot more than others. It often feels more like an act than anything else. Let me look really pissed off, even if I am not, cause that looks more like I feel so incredibly cheated that the next 50/50 call will go my way.
Also wish the refs would keep the coaches from going over the restraining line and even onto the court. All of them do it, some more than others.
 

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Man, I remember when I was the sole hated poster on this Board. My crappy, glass half empty posts raising flags of concern - which couldn't be more misplaced or misguided. How I could possibly forecast bad results. How I could possibly assess blame on CCC - for recruiting failures, for game coaching failures, for player development failures, for player management failures. It was such a lonely road to stroll.

But look at all the friends I have on the road now! Hmmmm. It is almost like a prelude to the next BC v CCC war around here - wonder who will assume the role of the next coach. Clearly the calls to move on from CCC are growing... Have fun ripping each other apart - all over a losing program that is a dumpster fire at the moment... Let me know when to search for the PBJ, Christie and Goode mass signing...
 
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its pretty easy to see what you want to see, especially when all you have is opinions sans facts.

here’s another opinion without facts. Collins knows the refs are happy to T him up any time he complains while ignoring opposing coaches who step into the court to reposition their players while the ball is in play, so he doesn’t complain to them. He laughs at their antics, turns around, and cracks wry jokes with his staff about the sad state of amateur stand up comedy.
 

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Man, I remember when I was the sole hated poster on this Board. My crappy, glass half empty posts raising flags of concern - which couldn't be more misplaced or misguided. How I could possibly forecast bad results. How I could possibly assess blame on CCC - for recruiting failures, for game coaching failures, for player development failures, for player management failures. It was such a lonely road to stroll.

But look at all the friends I have on the road now! Hmmmm. It is almost like a prelude to the next BC v CCC war around here - wonder who will assume the role of the next coach. Clearly the calls to move on from CCC are growing... Have fun ripping each other apart - all over a losing program that is a dumpster fire at the moment... Let me know when to search for the PBJ, Christie and Goode mass signing...


Buh-bye! Don’t let the door hit yo *** on the way out!

Will let you know when the vaunted 2021 class is landed.
 

xxxbobxxx

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Buh-bye! Don’t let the door hit yo *** on the way out!

Will let you know when the vaunted 2021 class is landed.

what made you think I was going anywhere? I’m enjoying the company I have found in the growing group of concerned fans.