That was the correct call..I'm not sure if the horse came out due to the crowd or maybe he dodged a water puddle..He did impede the #1 horse...
The derby disqualification
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He was moved to 1st because he finished 2nd..that's the way it works in horseracing..
With the whole world watching no less........the PETA F'ers would be camping out at Churchill Downs...
An observation I've made since this happened.
Those who are really knowledgeable horse racing fans, the ones that know the rules and really follow the sport, all seem to agree it was the correct call.
The people angry about the call all seem to come from the crowd that only casually tunes into the sport for maybe a couple Saturdays per year, or who lost money betting on it.
Which side do you suspect is more likely correct?
Those who are really knowledgeable horse racing fans, the ones that know the rules and really follow the sport, all seem to agree it was the correct call.
The people angry about the call all seem to come from the crowd that only casually tunes into the sport for maybe a couple Saturdays per year, or who lost money betting on it.
Which side do you suspect is more likely correct?
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But you are rewarding a horse a victory who never would have been able to win it otherwise. The 3 horses who got bumped have a much better claim. Country House never got touched or moved and still finished a length and a half behind a horse who zigzagged down the damn track and bumped into 3 other horses. If you can't come closer after all that you sure as hell don't deserve to win. I agree there was a foul, but the wrong horse was elevated to winner in my opinion. Should have been War of Will if anyone.
Not true at all. I know a lot of people in the industry who aren't in agreement or satisfied with it at all. I agree it was a foul, but the horse who they named the winner was never interfered with and the least likely of the front 5 to actually win. Just leaves a bad taste for a lot of people who work year round for these 2 minutes.
And as soon as the reporter rode up on her horse and asked the jockey about winning he started making excuses "he was a little scared on the stretch but he is just a "baby"........"
And the announcers were armatures "the best horse won". Not if you cheat, just ask UofL fans!
And the announcers were armatures "the best horse won". Not if you cheat, just ask UofL fans!
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This is what I noticed. Not a racing fan but wife likes to watch derby, so we did. Thot it was strange the jockey when asked about the win immediately mentioned the crowd affecting his horse.
Then with the controversy it became apparent. Occurred to me he may have done that deliberately. And maybe then quickly veering in in the horse on the inside. No way to know if jockey had any intent but his horse HAD to be dqed after that imo.
I never knew this to be a rule. I figured it was like car racing and you were allowed to try to keep someone from passing you, even though it didn’t look intentional. Guess I should have paid more attention to the races all those years at Keeneland instead of partying 
Likewise, I was focused on my pick Code of Honor. He was blocked on the rail with no path to the lead when all of a sudden, the 7 horse veered out so far that the rail was so wide open you could have driven two 18-wheelers through there side by side. Unfortunately, although Code of Honor gave a game effort, he did not have enough to beat Country House to the finish.
Not the way it works though..The winner comes down and others move up..I haven't looked but id say the winner was dropped to 4th...
Nah, 17th somehow. If you watch closely, Country House is actually leaning into Long Range Toddy and impeding his lane before the 7 knocked War of Will into him. War of Will should have won. I get the rule, but it's dumb nonetheless.
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Country House was not awarded the win because his jockey filed the complaint, he was awarded the win because he finished 2nd. After MS was DQ’d every horse moves up a spot, the stewards do not get to arbitrarily pick who should have won or who might have won had the incident not taken place.
17th I think. He dropped all the way below the 18 who he interfered with. 18 finished 17th so he moved up to 16th and Max dropped to 17th.
http://www.equibase.com/premium/chartEmb.cfm?track=CD&raceDate=05/04/2019&cy=USA&rn=12
Sure he was. CH was never impeded, yet his jockey is the one who filed the complaint with the stewards. He wouldn't have won if not.
That's a great story and all, but it doesn't change the fact the wrong horse won simply as a beneficiary of not getting impeded.
Sorry. Don’t mean to be a jerk but this is 100% wrong. Another jockey claimed foul as well. Whomever claimed the foul had nothing to do with where they placed the horses. CH benefitted because he was second so he got moved up to first and MS got moved behind the horse(s) he impeded. That’s the rule.
That “rule” is their fail safe. Obviously, some serious money was about to be lost. That move happens in almost every race, and it’s never been called. You and I have MUCH better chance to be cited for jaywalking.
Money lost for whom? Do you understand how pari-mutuel wagering works?
Could you explain to me what exactly happened and why it was a foul? I didn’t see anything from yesterday
Haha, I’ve forgotten more about it than I care to admit. Enjoy your Cinco De Mayo, Amigo. Perhaps I’ll explain in detail how this all works, in a future post. Olé
Well after the initial jockey. Hell, Pratt wouldn't even say he felt the result should be changed afterwards. He openly admitted he had a clear stretch run and still couldn't catch Maximum Security.
If Long Range Toddy and moreso WarofWill weren't bumped and cut-off, Country House wouldn't have been in the position to benefit. That is literally the only reason he won.
Rolling this forward, it could make for a real interesting Preakness. I sure hope a lot of these horses run throughout the Triple Crown.
My 7-year-old picked the long-shot exacta based on the names of the horses. Wish we'd placed that bet!
My 7-year-old picked the long-shot exacta based on the names of the horses. Wish we'd placed that bet!
I agree with you but that’s the way it’s written. Country House got lucky that’s for sure but it was done correctly.
Maximum Security will run away and hide at the Preakness shorter distance.
So the new tactic is enter multiple horses, have all but one of them interfere with all the rest of the horses, and let the other win. I get the ruling, but the whole thing was a fiasco. For a very casual fan like me, it tainted the race regardless of whether it was the right call. I suspect I'm not alone in that
That's actually a misconception. In pari-mutuel betting the house takes a percentage off the top and the rest is distributed to bettors based on their % of the pool. No matter what, the same amount of money was paid out it just went to different players. I know everybody is referring to the favorite being taken out of the pay offs when they cite "money being lost" but there was serious money being won too. Imagine the person who had the 20 cent pick 6 for over $570,000 if they dq'ed the 7. Man that person was sweating bullets. That move you mention does not happen almost every race or there would be a dq in almost every race. The jockey did not "steer" the horse out. The horse spooked and jumped right. Unfortunate for the connections because they had the best horse but don't have the trophy. Sounds like a lot of NCAA BB championships.
He got the win bc he was the winner after the dq.
Not bc he lodged the complaint. You take awY number 1, number 2 wins..regardless of who lodged.
War of will wasnt winning regardless. And CH did get impeded a tiny amount...which may have changed the outcome.
I agree with this for the most part, but a Global betting event like this, other factors can influence the outcome. However, this is the first time in a Triple Crown Race this rule has been enforced.
CH never got impeded. If anything he veered into LRT.
Lmao, War of Will was moving faster than anyone about to roll past MS until he bumped and cut him off, causing the jockey to have to check his horse, thus losing all forward momentum.
He won because he managed to not get knocked and interfered with, not because he actually earned finishing 2nd place.
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The Derby has a rep of being no holds barred. I think I read there have only been 5 protests. I thought it legit. No ill meaning, just a horse spooked by the crowd who didn’t intend to, but had an impact on the race. The race.
First of all any sentence that starts off with, "you people".......
You probably are right in regard to "new to horse racing"
Don’t think anyone will debate you that country house deserved to win but under the rules he was the winner. Not because the jockey of country house filed the complaint which was your initial beef. It doesn’t matter if CH was impeded or not, it doesn’t matter how he finished 2nd, it only matters that he did finish 2nd, and the first place horse was DQ’d.
I disagree, had Pratt not filed objection I highly doubt Court would have. Without that the original finish would have been official. I agree Court had an objection as he was impeded along with Gaffalione, but he was already slowing before being knocked.
Sure it matters! If it didn't matter people wouldn't be debating and upset by it. Having a horse who wasn't impeded and still wasn't able to win actually get the win as a beneficiary of others having a mistep or getting knocked out of it just feels tainted.
The objection was not filed by Pratt. The stewards official announcement indicated objections were filed by war of will and long range toddy.
Lol, No they weren't. They were filed by Pratt on CH and then Jon Court from Long Range Toddy a bit after. Did you not see the interview with Pratt talking about why he filed the objection and the reporter asking him if he thought it should he overturned by the stewards? He even admitted he had a clear run in the stretch and still couldn't catch MS.