The earth is a flat, non spinning realm, not a planet in an infinite universe
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So you're saying I couldn't buy a boat and circumnavigate the Earth starting in Florida and ending back up in Florida?
ok, the pictures show myriad topography from rocky coastlines to sheer ice cliffs. You're saying that Antarctica encircles earth on the outer edge, correct?
Ok and it doesn't connect to any main lands anywhere, so there is always water then the ice wall, correct?
How big and how far are unknowns at the moment, there are researchers trying to figure this stuff out though. For 500 or so years wrong assumptions have been used to drive certain areas of research and stifle others. Distance to and size of the heavenly bodies is one of these areas.
I'm not trying to be difficult in any way. I'm trying to fully understand your vision of our world. There are lots of issues to discuss.
That's you and me, Bill.
What's the status on our balloons, cameras and fancy lasers? We gotta get you up there.
The truth will always win out!!!
I really have to know, what is a "geosynchronous low earth orbit"?
I do not think there is such a thing. Either I do not understand geosynchronous orbit or the guy in the video does not.
I don't think geosynchronous and low earth orbit are remotely in the same category. Help me out here.
I know he is trying to make a joke; but come on, at least have a clue.
You don't think hundreds if not thousands of people haven't already accomplished this? I'm fairly certain someone has done this and documented it.
I found a bunch of Earths in my car.
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OP is the best wingnut parody account I've seen here in a while.
Kudos to you, whichever Paddock regular created this hilarious alias.
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OP is the best wingnut parody account I've seen here in a while.
Kudos to you, whichever Paddock regular created this hilarious alias.
In case anyone is wondering, this link shows a picture of what flat earthers believe. It also has a lot of explanations. It truly boggles my mind but I do find their position fascinating. Hopefully OP will come back and we can continue the discussion.
http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html
http://www.livescience.com/24310-flat-earth-belief.html
The OP and I have been working on acquiring balloons, cameras and fancy lasers so that we can disprove the round earth know-nothings.
He won't tell me how the mission is going but no news is good news. We should be operational soon and then we can start taking the necessary measurements.
Gonna be sweet seeing the rubes' worldview crumble... or should I say flatten out.
I answer questions at my leisure not upon request.
Gravity doesn't exist. Space doesn't exist. Planets don't exist. Satellites as we commonly know them don't exist. NASA is full of liars and useful idiots. Pretty standard, biggest conspiracy in the history of mankind so (((they))) can hide got from us, stuff, no biggie.
You do realize I can walk outside with my telescope and see most planets in our solar system, right? It's one thing to disagree with opinion, it's another to disagree with fact. Jupiter us particularly easy. How do you explain that?
Planets don't exist, the so called planets are 'wandering' stars and we don't know what stars are for sure although I believe they are pockets of sound inside the waters of the firmament.
Yep, you said its surrounded by ice walls and there is a water gap, so you can easily circle the earth. You can go either direction, it doesn't matter to me, pick one.
Bill is trolling. You have to take it in the spirit it's intended. Tough I'll admit, it was a lot more fun when I thought he might actually be bat guano crazy.
Go up and look at that picture you posted and tell me if it matters which way you travel.
I know I'm not alone when I say that I enjoy the mental gymnastics that must be utilized to explain the sun, moon, planets, tides, satellites, Antarctica, etc. when a round earth with a 23 degree tilt, a revolving moon and a heliocentric solar system pretty much explains it in a nice and neat package.
Nothing can be that simple!!!
Nothing can be that simple!!!
I don't care if you believe I'm serious or not. Now ask something new, that I haven't been asked, or go read the thread I'm not going to rehash my entire argument just for you.
And yet, tell me how you can see Chicago for 60 miles away over water?
Or the La Superdome from 17 miles away over water?
Or Dubai from 70 miles away over sandy desert?
How did we get through the Van Allen belts without killing the astronauts?
Why is every picture taken within earths atmosphere with a standard lens flat?
"Science" is not on your side partner.
You forget yourself, sir.
I am on your side.
Your logic is infallible. Your arguments compelling. You're more thoughtful, intelligent and inquisitive than:
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GALILEO GALILEI
ISAAC NEWTON
ALESSANDRO VOLTA
MICHAEL FARADAY
ANDRE'-MARIE AMPERE
GEORG SIMON OHM
GUSTAV ROBERT KIRCHHOFF
JAMES CLERK MAXWELL
WILLIAM THOMSON (LORD KELVIN)
HEINRICH RUDOLPH HERTZ
WIHLELM CONRAD ROENTGEN
ANTOINE HENRI BECQUEREL
PIERRE CURIE
MARIE SKLODOWSKA CURIE
MAX PLANCK
ALBERT EINSTEIN
LORD ERNEST RUTHERFORD
NIELS BOHR
LOUIS-VICTOR PIERRE RAYMOND DE BROGLIE
WERNER HEISENBERG
ERWIN SCHROEDINGER
PAUL ANDRIEN MAURICE DIRAC
ENRICO FERMI
WOLFGANG PAULI
EUGENE PAUL WIGNER
SIN-ITIRO TOMONAGA
JULIEN SCHWINGER
RICHARD FEYNMAN
MURRAY GELL-MANN
SHELDON LEE GLASHOW
ALVIN WEINBERG
ABDUS SALAM
CARLO RUBBIA
SIMON VAN DER MEER
To name but a few.
And for this, I applaud you, sir.
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