The EU moves to censor offensive speech

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U.S. has done the same during times of national stress, Sedition Act of 1918 for one (repealed in the 1920's). Hate speech not protected by the First Amendment, some point to the Espionage Act of 1917, which is still on the books as 'chilling of free speech' with regards to whistle-blowers and others who "leak" information.

The U.S. has many censorship laws on the books and has had some enacted from time to time to squash certain types of speech or activities (McCarthy era for one). We're not as lily-white as you may think in this area.

Certainly the U.S. is not anywhere near the position detailed in your link, at least not today. But who knows what tomorrow may bring?
 

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U.S. has done the same during times of national stress, Sedition Act of 1918 for one (repealed in the 1920's). Hate speech not protected by the First Amendment, some point to the Espionage Act of 1917, which is still on the books as 'chilling of free speech' with regards to whistle-blowers and others who "leak" information.

The U.S. has many censorship laws on the books and has had some enacted from time to time to squash certain types of speech or activities (McCarthy era for one). We're not as lily-white as you may think in this area.

Certainly the U.S. is not anywhere near the position detailed in your link, at least not today. But who knows what tomorrow may bring?

Those two acts were passed in a time of war and were still wrong. Brandenberg vs. Ohio showed these would never pass Constitutional muster today. Heck the riots and protests of the 60's proved that. And Europe is not in a World War situation. The EU is afraid of two politicians and want to take away some parts of their rhetoric to protect themselves, their power and their bureaucracy.

Congress repealed the Sedition Act in 1920 before it could be challenged in court, as you noted. Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment, not sure where you are getting your information.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-the-first-amendment/?utm_term=.0a0889dab74e

The only place I can find today that threatens free speech is on college campuses, liberal bastions.

No doubt we have had periods of time (e.g. WWI) where free speech was tested, but SCOTUS has defined pretty finite instances where free speech can be limited (e.g. fighting words).

Whistle blowers have special protections if they follow the steps outlined by Congress. Exposing national secrets is a crime and should be a crime.
 
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Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment, not sure where you are getting your information.

No doubt we have had periods of time (e.g. WWI) where free speech was tested, but SCOTUS has defined pretty finite instances where free speech can be limited (e.g. fighting words).

"The Supreme Court has ruled that certain categories of speech are excluded from constitutional protection, such as a threat or "fighting words." Sometimes, speech can be both a threat and hate speech, in which case it would not necessarily have First Amendment protection. " http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...hris-cuomo-first-amendment-doesnt-cover-hate/

Often used interchangeably (hate speech/fighting words) so pardon my error on not being more specific.

I was only trying to point out that what is currently going on in the EU, according to your link, has also happened here under similar circumstances.
 

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"The Supreme Court has ruled that certain categories of speech are excluded from constitutional protection, such as a threat or "fighting words." Sometimes, speech can be both a threat and hate speech, in which case it would not necessarily have First Amendment protection. " http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...hris-cuomo-first-amendment-doesnt-cover-hate/

Often used interchangeably (hate speech/fighting words) so pardon my error on not being more specific.

I was only trying to point out that what is currently going on in the EU, according to your link, has also happened here under similar circumstances.

No, I don't think the circumstances are similar at all. One was at a time of war and the other, wrongly, was in reaction to what was perceived as a national security threat.

However, the EU nor Europe has had our First Amendment protections. Never has. This is a blatant attempt to silence two politicians and keep the EU together. I don't think the circumstances are similar at all.