Making the unvaccinated as the “spreaders” of this cold. But if Biden truly “trusted the science” he’d know that the early cases were almost all vaccinated.
The false narrative continues
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So are you fighting through your cognitive dissonance or are you ignoring it?
These people are not dumb, they are evil.
These people are not dumb, they are evil.
Are you including Trump? He's out there encouraging the vaccine and booster as well.
What is wrong with encouraging people to take it? That is a far cry from mandating it, lying about it and bribing people.
Why? What are the benefits? What do the long term studies say about the potential side effects? Is the vaccine better than other early treatments like ivermectin and HCQ?
Truth in any form shouldn't be used with Biden. From '88 he has been a habitual liar.
Because it is a personal choice and if one person chooses to do one thing it should be respected and if another chooses to do a different thing it should be respected.
I get that it's a personal choice. I also understand that there is ZERO information about the long term effects of getting the jab because there wasn't enough time from conception to implementation to properly study these things. It's unfathomable to me that so many people do not understand this.
Some people probably look at it like they are willing to be test studies because in their mind the risk of side effects is less scary than the risk of covid.
That is why it has to be a personal choice. What is unfathomable to me might be a logical decision to you.
I wouldn't take financial / educational advice from a person living on welfare, common sense.
Taking medical advice from someone who has been wrong on just about everything in his 47+ years in government.....think not .
Add in Dr. Fu$kus who has flip flopped on everything & helped create this virus & has stock in the pharmaceutical industry, + the shot or boosters does not stop the spread & still have to sport a mask that does not work & can cause bacterial pneumonia. At the end of the day it is a personal choice your choice will not affect my life , choose wisely
I agree completely. I see both sides in my company. People against the vax and people pushing the vax and people who don't care and just want to be left alone to live their life.
All have fair points. None should be ignored. Some push way too hard. People pushing for the vax and campaigning against the vax many times push too hard.
None of it affects me or my family but it is interesting to live through.
Let me rephrase, the old and vulnerable should take it. It’s a risk reward kind of thing. I don’t think most people under 50 need it, but it’s kind of like the flu shot. It could help and there idk little downside. This is just my opinion based on around a billion people taking it.
I didn’t feel I needed it, but, society made it inconvenient for me to not have it, so I got it.
I’m not telling you to do it, based on the way I judge risk, there is very little downside risk. At the end of the day, I don’t make commission on your decision. I’d step right over you corpse without a second glance either way you decide to go. I don’t know you and ambivalent toward your outcome.
Case after case that comes across my wife's desk, where someone is intubated and probably going to die, is unvaccinated and 50's or older. About 30% in the hospital are probably vaccinated (just learned of a woman who was vaccinated and died of Covid, but was a bad diabetic and had other health issues), but +90% of those that get intubated and die are un-vaccinated.
My brother-in-law's brother-in-law (his sister's husband) is on the vent, refused the vaccine, no underlying health issues but is in his late 50's, and we're praying he pulls through.
Meanwhile she's not seen a single case where someone had such a significant reaction to the vaccine that they've required hospitalization. Not saying there are some that have bad side effects, but it's just not common.
On the flip side, we don't trust the pharma companies beyond their profit motive, just watching "Dopesick" will open people's eyes to how shaddy those companies can act, so who's to say what decade long effect could exist. It's no different than the flu vax at the end of the day, and should be a personal choice.
I looked this up last night on the dhhr site and currently in WV of the roughly 500 hospitalized with covid, 22% are vaccinated. Of the subset that are in ICU or on a vent it is roughly 13%.
My take on that is since roughly half the state is vaccinated you are probably 2 to 3 times as likely to end up in the hospital with covid if not vaccinated.
Since there are about 5k cases and 500 in the hospital, about 10% of cases right now end up in the hospital and since so many omicron cases are slight symptoms or asymptomatic that per engage is probably much smaller.
So I don't know if that screams get vaccinated or not but regardless I think people should make a decision they are comfortable living with.
Yea, my wife had a pretty significant reaction. She had reactionary arthritis and severe inflammation in her legs and feet. It flared in early Sept and is still an issue, but all of Sept and Oct she was basically crippled. I don’t think she’s getting the booster because of that.
Sorry to hear that. Does she have a family history of things like vasculitis or auto-immune diseases? It was a big concern for us with our son who has a history of that, and had it not been for the requirement at WVU we probably wouldn't have had him get it.
I've been having soreness and weakness in my right arm (bicep and forearm) and inner thighs since my second dose, but I can't fully attribute it to the vaccine. Just seems odd that the weakness showed up about 4 to 6 weeks after and has not gone away.
She has an aunt with Lupus, but they tested for literally everything. Honestly, I suggested the vaccine as the causal factor at the onset of the testing and the doctors (Hopkins) were pretty adamant that it wasn’t. After she went through 3 separate rounds of labs, MRIs, RA tests, etc and it all came back negative, I suggested it again. The doctor told me they were required to rule everything else out before they were permitted to say it was vaccine related even though she said she’d seen 5 other cases very similar that ended up being vaccine related.
On the plus side, it goes away after the vaccine runs it’s course through your system. 2 months of hell, 1.5 months of uncomfortability, and she’s basically back to normal. Still gets some residual inflammation, but she can walk and isn’t having to eat ibuprofen like it’s pez now. She also started taking tumeric pills, that seemed to help some as well.
My family has a big history of auto immune disease like lupus. At this stage I wouldn't get another shot of the vaccine either.
What are they trying to achieve?
All the shots will not stop the spread, are they trying to achieve not ever getting a simple cold ?
It's time to move on & act like it's a flu , some will die , that's expected in old age & people who are compromised. I'm not heartless but I am a realist.
This new variant omicron has a lower death rate then a common cold & is dropping off in Africa faster than it appeared.
Over 45 Congressmen bought stock in AstraZeneca, Pfizer, or J & J in 2020. Think about that. Among them were people like Marjorie Greene who spouts off all "anti-vaccine", and she bought upwards of $15,000 in stock in those companies. WAKE UP AMERICA! Our politicians are using this to MAKE MORE MONEY! Even the ones who claim to be on the side of the anti-vaccinated people.
Not a bad gig to be in . Make laws that will effect a stock that you are invested in . This vaccine mandate is the tip of the iceberg, been going on for generations. 140,000 a year is not a lot of money & no way in hell could joe Biden afford 4 mansions in the north east on that income had there not been corruption involved. Not meaning to single him out , but low hanging fruit.
I guess my point is that politicians should NOT have a stake in the stock market when they may have to make decisions that would impact the same companies they have stock in. That's just wrong, and smells of corruption. Plus, when you go on the TV and tell everyone how "bad" the vaccine is, then you are found to have bought stock in the same companies making it, well......I think that should be enough for the people to tune out your message.
I agree 100% that its wrong for them to buy stock, that could be called insider trading, I think.
Since they are allowed I dont blame her & give her credit for speaking against the mandate even though she has stock in it .
You don't blame her? Come on. She's just as bad of a hypocrite as all the rest of them. I guess we should put Mike Tyson with the rape crisis group just for some more help.
Its legal unfortunately, so I dont blame her for investing in the pharmaceutical companies, I did & I'm not getting the vax . I do respect that she is still vocal about it & does not believe it should be mandatory.
Good question. I'm sure now she'll sell those stocks now that she knows she invested in the same companies that make the vaccines she thinks are bogus.
EDIT: And she must be appalled that she is investing in the companies that she claims are killing people with the vaccine.
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Sen. Coons announces he tested positive for COVID-19Coons is the third Democratic senator to test positive this week
Who knows? She’s not my Rep, so I don’t really care either way. If I was making money on them, I wouldn’t sell them, but that’s me personally.
My niece now has a heart condition directly resulting from the vaccine. She was in prime shape as a collegiate field hockey player. She can no longer play any competitive sports and her career is over as a sophomore. As if that wasn't bad enough, the school yanked her scholarship because she became ill over something the school forced her to take. And everyone involved has immunity. Well, all except her which is ironic as hell.
The argument I've had from the get go . How in the hell can any person accept a mandate that no one is held accountable? WTF is people thinking? They are forcing us to be experiments ....lab rats .
You should sue the university and get very public about it. I’d bet my life Fox News would cover that one.
I am trying to figure out why they bother with the vaccine now.
There are pills on the market to take if when you get the virus. Even if the pills have side effects you are exposing less people to the danger by only treating positive cases aka sick people.