The fouls
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They are pushing in the back on a lot of their O boards and not getting called. The same thing Pardon got away with against Nebraska.
Purdue is holding and pushing our guys who are trying to get out and set ball screens, it's really bogging down our offense.
It was on BMac...which is code for "I blew the whistle for no reason, but now I have to make it up, let's not give it on the big guy."
This is complete bs. After calling a completely lopsided game for 35 minutes all of a sudden they decided to call 3 fouls in 45 seconds on them once they got up 14 to try to even the final numbers up. Screw job tonight.
AJ Hammons crashes through Olah's body...no call.
That was as blatant of a hatchet job as I've seen in a while. I mean granted we did a poor job of moving our feet on D inside and a bad job of blocking out. But the disparity on how it was called on the two sides of the court was ridiculous. And then how they flipped back all of a sudden with 3-4 mins to go once they got up 14 to try to even up the final numbers. They were in the bonus with more than 13 mins left in 2H and there had been I think 1 foul called on them? That was egregious. I think it was 24 to 9 in total fouls at one point. So frustrating. I hope Collins was screaming on the sidelines.
6th time we've been called for over 20 fouls in a game in conference, which leaves off a few games where we were at 17-19. We average about 18.9 fouls per game while playing primarily a zone. I don't really get it, to be honest.
I completely understood the foul disparities when we were running Princeton and barely going inside. I feel like we have way more movement to the hoop now, and it feels like it's getting worse. Don't know what gives.
I completely understood the foul disparities when we were running Princeton and barely going inside. I feel like we have way more movement to the hoop now, and it feels like it's getting worse. Don't know what gives.
According to the Purdue board, the refs screwed them in the first half when Haas and Hammons couldn't get a call. Then in the 2nd half, NU was basically doing hackashaq, deserved every call against them and there should've been more. Hilarious.
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That IS amazing. I guess Purdue isn’t the place for applied Math majors, or Logic for that matter. When one team gets 20 more free throw attempts (28 vs 8), and makes 21 vs 5, it’s possible (even likely) that some portion of that disparity would be earned legitimately due to style of play or poor defensive technique, but not likely that all or even most of it would be considered legit.
I don’t think this board has a history of calling out refs except on particularly blatant mistakes at a key point(s). Tonight was obviously not that kind of objection.
I wasn’t able to follow the game consistently due to a family birthday celebration with the game on in the bar area of the restaurant. So all I can react to is “the numbers”, not the calls themselves. The lopsidedness is pretty much unprecedented in my experience as a fan.
I have no problem with the foul difference. Northwestern's bigs played lazy, didn't move their feet and barely gave any effort. When your point guard is your leading rebounder that tells you how soft your bigs played. Olah, Pardon and JVZ should be embarrassed by how they performed tonight. That was a pathetic effort.
I agree with you on the foul disparity. Minus a few questionable ones, I thought the vast majority of the fouls called on us were justified.
I wouldn't say our bigs played lazy though. Purdue has the best 1-2 punch of big men in the country. Their bugs are not only bigger than ours, they are athletic big men. Olah has that size, but not the athleticism. JVZ has the height and athleticism, but not the body mass, and Pardon is green and doesn't have that size. Their bigs are very good- both future NBA players. I don't think our bigs were lazy. Just not good enough against that level of talent.
In one sense, I feel better after reading your explanation. Shooters can get hot and carry a team despite not being exceptional in most other games. But the big men are not going to “get hot” defensively. The best that can be hoped for is that they find some chinks in the opponent’s armor that they can exploit for a while until a substitution or different offensive alignment takes back the domination. We ARE better defensively than most NU teams historically, I think. Nevertheless physical, speed, agility and skill deficiencies will be exploited by a top tier team if they are even moderately eager to do so.
Again, I fully agree that our big men got outplayed and outmuscled and lazy with their feet and deserved to be called for fouls. However, there were a number of over the back or illegal touching or tick tack fouls that were NOT called on the other end. If you're calling a fairly tight game on one side then you have to do the same on the other. That was certainly not the case tonight, or at least not until the comical last 3 minutes when they called 5 fouls on Purdue, most similar to the tick tack stuff they called against us all game (with the exception of one legit call on a driving layup), to get them to a grand total of 14 on the game. So 9 in the first 36.5 minutes, and 5 in the last 3.5 minutes. Same personnel. Right, I believe that was random......
There was one sequence where I think they called 4 fouls on us in 1 possession, and I believe on 2 of those the ball had not been or barely had been inbounded. That was a joke. If you are going to call a tight game and whistle every handcheck fine, but do it both ways. Part of the problem is our bigs don't have the credibility, and sadly the stars get the calls.
I agree that their bigs including Swanigan are better than NU's bigs. But while Hammons is going to play at the next level, Haas isn't.
For the record I'm not saying we should have beaten them. They clearly outplayed us in the first half. But we executed and shot better on offense for most of the second half- it should have been a 2-6 pt game heading into the final couple minutes if not for the absurd reffing. We probably still would have lost, but in a close game rather than them walking away with it. And we would've had an outside shot for some Tre Demps or BMac magic maybe.
How many 3's did we shoot? How many did they? There just aren't that many fouls called on 3's and we shot a 3 on almost half of our possessions.. If you compare fouls to 2-point shots, the ratio is pretty similar (we fouled a slightly higher percentage in those cases then they did). We just weren't as aggressive going to the basket. The refs missed some calls, but IMHO the foul disparity is on us much more than the refs.
I wasn't really complaining about the calls on us more the no calls with the hand checks and pushing in the back on offensive boards it seemed almost every ball screen they were holding our guys and the last rebound over Olah I believe at the end of the game being competitive still was a blatant over the back that wasn't called.
The reason I don't think so it because his game is so one dimensional around the bucket. He is slow footed, not terribly athletic, and can't shoot from the outside. He may stick as a bench player for a year or two but the difference between him and AJ is night and day.
You REALLY think that isn't what they're coached to do? They've been hearing it since probably second grade.
He's 7'1" tall, 300 lbs of muscle, and he moves pretty well for his size. Nice quick move along the baseline for a slam, for example. He's also only a sophomore and is ahead of where Hammon was as a sophomore, IMO.
Indeed, They mentioned on the telecast last night that precisely ONE player has a better points-per-minute average than him; Buddy Hield. Could make the argument that Haas is a BETTER NBA prospect that Hammonds.
One could, but one would be wrong. Hammons runs better, blocks shots better, shoots better, has more of an all-around game. Haas is dominant in college because he is HUGE, bigger than anyone including Hammons that he plays against. That advantage will diminish at the next level.
And BIGs take longer to develop so I would expect him to move up those rankings.,
No need to be so deterministic. I would agree that Hammons is probably likely to be a higher draft pick than Haas, but it's far from certain. AJ was pretty green in his younger years too. And Haas has the measurables that might get NBA squads excited. I wouldn't say it's the most likely outcome, but I think it's entirely feasible he develops into a top 10 pick before he goes pro.
Foul calling isn't as laughable this year to me as the amount of times traveling is not called. I certainly was never accused of great basketball moves, but I could have done a lot better if I'd been allowed 3-4 steps going to the basket. European step, indeed. And of course palming has not been called for years.