Needs to run some half-court offense. A double screen for DJ & Kimble is your adjustment from the previous game? Are you serious? It’s not like we haven’t seen these guys earlier this season. Earn your money.
The Four Million Dollar Man
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You mean like the previous 7 million dollar man and his baggage?
I'll stick with the 4 million dollar man.
My comments have zero to do with the previous regime. It’s all about a concern that we made zero adjustments to answer their amped up half-court pressure. As I stated, where’s the game plan having already seen these guys before? If you’re ok with Kimble being our go-to in the half-court it’s going to be a short post season.
I get what you are saying, but when we did have a chance to get in a set, we missed the shot. Aside from that, they had the length and athleticism at every position. God love Sutton, but he 6'5 doing everything in his power to bang against 6'8 and 6'9. McMahon played his *** off, but they can easily shoot over him. DJ was able to get things going, but got sent to the bench after the FSU player danced a jig and then they called the foul.
Coach did about all he could do with the players he has. Kimble did well against the pressure compared to everyone else, but he was getting beat like a drum on defense. Johnson was getting some tough calls which put him in foul trouble and limited his ability to be on the floor. McMahan plays his heart out but just like Kimble, he's too little and gets beat like a drum. Perry was playing like a wild man on acid. Some of the off the wall plays he was trying was head scratching. The cold hard truth is there was little that could be done. FSU is just better. No shame in admitting that.
We don’t run anything in the half court. We dribble until 5-8 on the 30 second clock and then go. I guess we’re not watching the same game.
No I agree. We never ran any type of set plays last night in the second half. FSU had a lot to do with that. They brought it in the second half. We never did.
So far Hamilton has Mack's number. But the same thing happens for other coaches as well- even great ones.
I remember John Thompson III and Georgetown got the better of Pitino back in the Big East even though Rick was the better coach. Styles, matchups, personnel, etc. all come into play. FSU's style and personnel are the Card's kryptonite in recent games.
I remember John Thompson III and Georgetown got the better of Pitino back in the Big East even though Rick was the better coach. Styles, matchups, personnel, etc. all come into play. FSU's style and personnel are the Card's kryptonite in recent games.
It happens so I'm not too worried about it. The chances of meeting FSU in the ACC tourney are greater than meeting them in the NCAA tourney but we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it. Hopefully Malik is back 100% and Enoch too as I now understand he was not 100% healthy either. We'll need both @ 100% if we have to play them again.
I never assumed we would give up 82 points and win against FSU. I didn’t see our offense as the problem. Their pressure did have an effect but we also missed several wide open shots.
Well he’s not the only one.. NCST did exactly what we did. But I think they led by as much as 20. FSU disrupts offensive play, that’s what they do. Their deal is to prevent a team from getting into their O. They have big athletic guards. We were out marched period. And losing Williams didn’t help.
FSU is long and athletic. We have a team that doesn’t a have a point guard that can really run half court sets or beat pressure.
A coach can run a play, but if the players just aren’t capable of running it effectively and other teams are equipped to defend it, can’t really blame Mack for it right now.
A coach can run a play, but if the players just aren’t capable of running it effectively and other teams are equipped to defend it, can’t really blame Mack for it right now.
The offense has to match FSU's output. Its both.
Defense has to get stops.
Offense has to equal or increase the lead. Or if behind, catch up.
Easy to say not easy to do against FSU. You can’t give up 82 points and expect to win. We lost because they played bully ball and our guards could not stop them from driving. We made shots in the first half and didn’t in the second.
Some guys’ memories are about as long as their . . . . Oh never mind, this is a family site. Also, some also forget the total ineptitude that the former $7 million dollar man had versus calisleazy.
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Just stop comparing Mack to you know who. I want to evaluate him on his own merits. Lately he’s had issues with blowing double digit leads against FSU. Is it just basketball or more to it like coaching philosophy? If it plays out we should play them again for ACC tournament championship.
Its mainly radio callers and FB Cards fans that are so anti-Mack.
They were spouting that Coach Mack has never beaten FSU. i had to not so gently remind them.
Comprehension my man. Nobody said he had never beaten FSU. I said in the last 3 losses to FSU, Mack’s team had double digit leads in the 2nd half only to lose. That included his last game at Xavier. However I don’t really care what Mack did at Xavier against FSU. It really has no bearing. Would you have preferred just a reminder how Mack has lost to FSU as coach of U of L? I think not.
You criticize your way and I’ll criticize my way. You seem to pray at the altar of the $7 million man and I think our $4 million dollar man is doing just fine. OVERALL. I think I’ll just wait until CCM gets his recruits here and see how he does at that point. I believe that’ll be about 2 more seasons. I believe we gave “dick” Pitino time to get his recruits in here and I think our present staff deserves the same consideration.
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$4 Million doesn't give you the power to make our guards taller, more physical, better defenders and better ball handlers and shooters..
I’ll wait as well. He’s our coach and I support him but doesn’t mean I can’t question some things and has nothing to do with “dick”. Obviously you have some feelings about it. Oh yeah by the way CRP did make FF in year 4. I know, I know but he didn’t have scandals weighing him down. Excuses are already being lined up.
Mack's had two cracks at grad transfers and one at high school grads. When does he start to catch "blame" for his roster if that's the problem?
And to make sure we're comparing apples to apples...
Pitino was paid $5 million annually by U of L, which means that U of L is paying Mack 80% of what it was paying Pitino. And their buyout terms are the same. Of course, their resumes aren't comparable....
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Pitino has a lot of cracks at guys too early on, but made the NIT his first season. We didn’t really have a contender until year 4. But that didn’t dampen my support because I knew he’d get us on top
Rick Pitino is a legend and he deserved our patience. We’ll never get another Pitino.
Mack was the best on the board we could get(other than Pearl who had his own FBI issues). We paid him to straighten the ship or else the attendance and support issues may be worse than what we are seeing now. I mean imagine if the crying had they hired Kenny Payne or Mick Cronin(who is doing alright at UCLA btw)
Went from NIT to the tournament his first year. We’ll be a top 4 seed range in year 2. I’d like to see him coach with his roster before making full judgements. He seems like he’s building his roster with college guys and has embraced the city culture. He’s stabilized us, but we still need some energy to get back to where we were before Rick was let go.
And just whom would you have been willing to pay either $4 or $5 million to at the time of the replacement of “dick”? And would any of those folks been willing to bite the bullet here with possible other infraction punishment coming? And please don’t say David Padgett because our performance that season versus uahkay should have told you that we could do better. David was and is a good guy but the fact that he ain’t coaching any longer should speak volumes.
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All these guys seem overpaid.
Looked at the 2019 salary list....
Mack's salary amount is a bit higher than a few with much better resumes (Wright/Roy), but after those guys when you start reading some of those names it feels like they are ALL TBD, ignoring a few crusty vets who are what they are (Huggins/Barnes).
Some of the 3 Million Dollar Men were on the hot seat one of them resigned (Avery Johnson) a few others in hot water a year later (Shaka/Crean). Tom Crean made 3.2 Million last year, his record at UGA is 23-31. I guess thank GOD we didn't land THAT guy? Archie Miller @ IU just dunno about those guys these days either.
Let's Look @ Preseason vs Week 17
#1 MSU, now #24
#2 UK, now #8
#3 KU, now #1
#4 Duke, now #7
#5 UofL, now #11
#6 FLA, now unranked
#7 Maryland, now #9
#8 Zags, now #3
#9 UNC, now LOL
#10 Nova, now #12
Has this been a bit of a frustrating season considering the projections? Overall results slightly down to date maybe. "How" this team plays at times has certainly justifiably annoyed some fans.
Ultimately these guys are judged by how they do in March. An early exit is not going to put the guy on the hot seat, but that Honeymoon will be over for some.
I can't make up my mind on anything these days but I understand all POVs!
Looked at the 2019 salary list....
Mack's salary amount is a bit higher than a few with much better resumes (Wright/Roy), but after those guys when you start reading some of those names it feels like they are ALL TBD, ignoring a few crusty vets who are what they are (Huggins/Barnes).
Some of the 3 Million Dollar Men were on the hot seat one of them resigned (Avery Johnson) a few others in hot water a year later (Shaka/Crean). Tom Crean made 3.2 Million last year, his record at UGA is 23-31. I guess thank GOD we didn't land THAT guy? Archie Miller @ IU just dunno about those guys these days either.
Let's Look @ Preseason vs Week 17
#1 MSU, now #24
#2 UK, now #8
#3 KU, now #1
#4 Duke, now #7
#5 UofL, now #11
#6 FLA, now unranked
#7 Maryland, now #9
#8 Zags, now #3
#9 UNC, now LOL
#10 Nova, now #12
Has this been a bit of a frustrating season considering the projections? Overall results slightly down to date maybe. "How" this team plays at times has certainly justifiably annoyed some fans.
Ultimately these guys are judged by how they do in March. An early exit is not going to put the guy on the hot seat, but that Honeymoon will be over for some.
I can't make up my mind on anything these days but I understand all POVs!
The first sentence of his HOF bio says he was the first and only coach to win a NC at two different schools.
Maybe you need to submit a butthurt version of his bio...
We’ve had this discussion ad nauseum. What we have now is a good coach with a $12 million buyout who struggles against Leonard Hamilton. I’m waiting and hoping for that to improve...
I recall our new AD at the time quoted in the media proudly saying that he was gonna bring more fiscal accountability to coaching hires he makes. That sounded to me like he was ready to break from the pack...
Just some adjustments from game to game (specifically FSU). How about some halftime adjustments?
And, can he not enter a huddle during a timeout without wasting 2/3 of the timeout caucusing with his assistants? All of these criticisms are real, valid and concerning. I’m pulling for the guy but not sold on him by any means.
Oh I'm with you post season success is the big deal.
But that's not what I was responding too.
I was responding to your regular season data.
I don't think there are any posters on this board that think Mack is a great coach right now. Many root for him, and are open about that. I think this thread, and other commentary we've read, shows that fans have made it clear they don't think he's great. He might have a great agent though?
Keep worshipping the failed clown.
That Title is tainted because of him.
Eff patino.
Should have never been hired here.