The left's paid agitators disrupting townhalls

[DvlDog4WVU]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

 

[WVPATX]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

If you notice how the media treats the most recent events like this. They vilified the Tea Party, night after night on tv and in the newspapers. Now, leftists are disrupting town halls and the media treats the disrupters as essentially heroes. The Tea Party was a natural uprising brought on by Rick Santelli's rant on CNBC. This is organized and well funded, not grass roots at all.

Not sure how this plays out. But I do believe there is a chance in the future for violence at these events as the right confronts the left.

 

[atlkvb]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

DvlDog4WVU, we've already experienced a backlash. Don't you remember the response to those paid protestors who were promising to block people expecting to attend the inauguration?

Bikers for Trump showed up by the hundreds of thousands promising to errect a "wall of meat" to protect access of Americans who wanted to just attend Trump's swearing in freely.

You're correct, these Leftist rent-a-mobs are going to push it one protest too far very soon and they will then understand what it truly means to fight for your freedom to assemble.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

They haven't proven that one single person upset at these town halls are paid protestors. In fact, one Republican member of Congress, can't remember who it was, stated that he didn't believe these people being vocal at town halls are paid protestors.

I think it's a bunch of thin-skinned ***** Republicans that can't handle reality throwing out the paid protestor claims.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

Hard to predict how ugly a push back would be. Just showing up might be 90% of the <ahem> discussion. Heck, most of the left have already signed up for border-less carefree frolicking in the sun. They'd quickly be in deep doo if not for American conservatives.

 

[atlkvb]

They haven't proven that one single person upset at these town halls are paid protestors. In fact, one Republican member of Congress, can't remember who it was, stated that he didn't believe these people being vocal at town halls are paid protestors.

I think it's a bunch of thin-skinned ***** Republicans that can't handle reality throwing out the paid protestor claims.

Of course not countryroads89, They're just regular folks from next door!

http://dailysignal.com/2017/02/10/i...os-sows-division-against-trump-gop-lawmakers/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...ded-activist-group-offers-anti-trump-protest-

 

[PriddyBoy]

***** Republicans

You are precious, a National Treasure.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

They haven't proven that one single person upset at these town halls are paid protestors. In fact, one Republican member of Congress, can't remember who it was, stated that he didn't believe these people being vocal at town halls are paid protestors.

I think it's a bunch of thin-skinned ***** Republicans that can't handle reality throwing out the paid protestor claims.

Don't be naive. Obama's own "grassroots" organization, Organizing for America (OFA), google it, re-energized with summits and training sessions scheduled beginning immediately through the Spring for this very type of thing. It's documented in their damn brochures for the training sessions on how to infiltrate and disrupt these events.

I know you think it's spontaneous and disorganized. It's really not and it's being influenced and fueled by our outgoing President. It's utterly shameful.

 

[Mntneer]

I'd love for one of the Congressmen/women ask a simple question when someone stands up and proclaims "the ACA saved my life....", which it seems is a common claim at these "townhalls". I'd like to ask them, "How? How did the ACA save your life?"

 

[atlkvb]

I'd love for one of the Congressmen/women ask a simple question when someone stands up and proclaims "the ACA saved my life....", which it seems is a common claim at these "townhalls". I'd like to ask them, "How? How did the ACA save your life?"

They should then respond to the bogus claim, well that's great I'm glad you're still alive but many Americans are finding the ACA has just about killed their financial solvency, and many health insurance providers have already pronounced their future participation in it dead.

 

[wvu2007]

Watch this video. It perfectly illustrates how the left organizes protests with paid protesters. Ask most of them a question and you will not receive an answer. Includes an appearance from OFA.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Criminy! School Buses?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

If you notice how the media treats the most recent events like this. They vilified the Tea Party, night after night on tv and in the newspapers. Now, leftists are disrupting town halls and the media treats the disrupters as essentially heroes. The Tea Party was a natural uprising brought on by Rick Santelli's rant on CNBC. This is organized and well funded, not grass roots at all.

Not sure how this plays out. But I do believe there is a chance in the future for violence at these events as the right confronts the left.

Hard to predict how ugly a push back would be. Just showing up might be 90% of the <ahem> discussion. Heck, most of the left have already signed up for border-less carefree frolicking in the sun. They'd quickly be in deep doo if not for American conservatives.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Don't be naive. Obama's own "grassroots" organization, Organizing for America (OFA), google it, re-energized with summits and training sessions scheduled beginning immediately through the Spring for this very type of thing. It's documented in their damn brochures for the training sessions on how to infiltrate and disrupt these events.

I know you think it's spontaneous and disorganized. It's really not and it's being influenced and fueled by our outgoing President. It's utterly shameful.

Does that prove that they are "paid protestors" or just organized?

We do still have the right to peaceful assembly and protest, even if it's organized.

Having said that. My problem is that by doing this, it just makes a really convenient excuse to just ignore the concerns of your constituents that you don't agree with. Just dismiss them as paid protestors and not actual active and concerns citizens.

 

[atlkvb]

I told countryroads89 and I think it's probably instructive for you also coop and the Left to understand that nothing else about Trump you're worried about is going to matter unless these two questions are answered affirmatively in 2020.

from my post to countryroads89:

"Countryroads89 if you are anticipating Trump's inability to be Truthful with the American people will eventually spell his undoing, all you have to do then is be patient and watch him self destruct.

I submit all you're worried about is just noise. Trump's effectiveness will be judged by two things and two things only.

Has he kept America safe and secure?

Do Americans have better jobs making more money?

If the answers to both of those questions is yes in 2020, nothing else you or anyone else is worried about regarding Trump will amount to anything other than wind blowing through the trees.

So my suggestion to you is just to forget about everything else, and wait to see if he turns this economy around, and protects the country through peaceful strength. You won't have much more to complain about if he manages to do both well."

31 atlkvb, Yesterday at 8:03 PM

 

[Mntneer]

Does that prove that they are "paid protestors" or just organized?

We do still have the right to peaceful assembly and protest, even if it's organized.

Having said that. My problem is that by doing this, it just makes a really convenient excuse to just ignore the concerns of your constituents that you don't agree with. Just dismiss them as paid protestors and not actual active and concerns citizens.

It also creates an air however where you can't tell who's a real constituent, who's not, who's got a real complaint, who doesn't.

I would require ID checks at the door, proof of where you live, not in my district, not getting in until everyone in my district gets in first, and certainly not going to speak.

I have no doubt that some of these people are making up ******** stories to stir the pot and control the public narrative, and it does a disservice to those that actually do.

 

[atlkvb]

Does that prove that they are "paid protestors" or just organized?

We do still have the right to peaceful assembly and protest, even if it's organized.

Having said that. My problem is that by doing this, it just makes a really convenient excuse to just ignore the concerns of your constituents that you don't agree with. Just dismiss them as paid protestors and not actual active and concerns citizens.

I might be willing to accept that these folks are genuinely concerned about losing their Health care coverage but there is a disconnect between that very real fear, and the reality that it's already happening to far more people than those protesting to maintain the ACA in its current configuration.

Who normally argues for annual premium increases exceeding 35 and 40% in most cases, or being suddenly dropped from their health Insurance plans because their companies can no longer afford to carry the policies?

I'm more willing to believe these protesters are really single payer advocates who likely want the Government running Health care, rather than folks legitimately happy with keeping the ACA.

That is just not reality, no matter which side of the issue you're on.

 

[Boomboom521]

Don't be naive. Obama's own "grassroots" organization, Organizing for America (OFA), google it, re-energized with summits and training sessions scheduled beginning immediately through the Spring for this very type of thing. It's documented in their damn brochures for the training sessions on how to infiltrate and disrupt these events.

I know you think it's spontaneous and disorganized. It's really not and it's being influenced and fueled by our outgoing President. It's utterly shameful.

Helping people organize isn't exactly brainwashing. Say what you want about his qualifications as President, but he was an effective community organizer. Young people especially sometimes need to be shown avenues for their frustration and discontent.

Not everyone upset at those town halls are paid liberals. Might make you feel better to think that, but it just isn't true.

 

[Boomboom521]

It also creates an air however where you can't tell who's a real constituent, who's not, who's got a real complaint, who doesn't.

I would require ID checks at the door, proof of where you live, not in my district, not getting in until everyone in my district gets in first, and certainly not going to speak.

I have no doubt that some of these people are making up ******** stories to stir the pot and control the public narrative, and it does a disservice to those that actually do.

And so we go further down the rabbit hole? ID checks at the door?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

And so we go further down the rabbit hole? ID checks at the door?

I think a few months of bank statements wouldn't hurt either. Make sure these people are all on the up and up.

 

[Boomboom521]

I think a few months of bank statements wouldn't hurt either. Make sure these people are all on the up and up.

Reform campaign finance....take soft money and PAC money out....and I say you got an argument. What is it the right says "money is speech"?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

What is it the right says "money is speech"?

I believe the SC says that too, but I'm not sure you realized my post was a joke about being paid?

 

[Boomboom521]

I believe the SC says that too, but I'm not sure you realized my post was a joke about being paid?

And the SC is never wrong

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Helping people organize isn't exactly brainwashing. Say what you want about his qualifications as President, but he was an effective community organizer. Young people especially sometimes need to be shown avenues for their frustration and discontent.

Not everyone upset at those town halls are paid liberals. Might make you feel better to think that, but it just isn't true.

I don't think that everyone upset are paid liberals. I do think that by initiating this type of action, it will drown out actual concerns and debate on the issues under the cloud of the organized disruptors.

 

[Boomboom521]

I don't think that everyone upset are paid liberals. I do think that by initiating this type of action, it will drown out actual concerns and debate on the issues under the cloud of the organized disruptors.

I agree. I think the Dems and liberals should voice there concerns in the proper venues, and re-evaluate where the party is, where the money is coming from, and reach out to people again. But Trump (you must admit) is just wildly different in his approach, and people are freaked. Whether It's the environment, immigrant rights, fear of the oval being financially compromised by foreign powers, gay/transgender rights, or Islamophobia....he is extreme and scary for many people.

 

[Keyser76]

lmfao, you seen those pictures from the town halls? They hardly look like liberals to me but if they are being paid where do I sign up? The more likel;y answer is that they are Asshats who didn't know the ACA and Obamacare were the same thing or democratic constituents attending their reps event. Just cause you didn't vote for someone doesn't mean they aren't your rep, hmmmmm?

 

[Boomboom521]

lmfao, you seen those pictures from the town halls? They hardly look like liberals to me but if they are being paid where do I sign up? The more likel;y answer is that they are Asshats who didn't know the ACA and Obamacare were the same thing or democratic constituents attending their reps event. Just cause you didn't vote for someone doesn't mean they aren't your rep, hmmmmm?

Great point....a rep is a rep....doesn't matter the letter after their name

 

[WVPATX]

Helping people organize isn't exactly brainwashing. Say what you want about his qualifications as President, but he was an effective community organizer. Young people especially sometimes need to be shown avenues for their frustration and discontent.

Not everyone upset at those town halls are paid liberals. Might make you feel better to think that, but it just isn't true.

What is a community organizer Boom? How does that qualify him for President? Even in the Illinois Senate he voted present hundreds of times. Totally unqualified. Trump is an idiot, but much more qualified because he was chief executive of a huge corporations. He ran things. He got big things done. He traveled the world doing deals.

 

[WVUBRU]

Not surprising the same morons that loved every conspiracy theory the past eight years are now touting the ridiculous conspiracy of PAID protesters. Meanwhile they spin every real thing this administration is doing as their agenda requires them to do so. Idiots.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Does that prove that they are "paid protestors" or just organized?

We do still have the right to peaceful assembly and protest, even if it's organized.

Having said that. My problem is that by doing this, it just makes a really convenient excuse to just ignore the concerns of your constituents that you don't agree with. Just dismiss them as paid protestors and not actual active and concerns citizens.

That's the next step. Only pay attention to the ballot box. Thanks Democrats.

 

[rog1187]

lmfao, you seen those pictures from the town halls? They hardly look like liberals to me but if they are being paid where do I sign up? The more likel;y answer is that they are Asshats who didn't know the ACA and Obamacare were the same thing or democratic constituents attending their reps event. Just cause you didn't vote for someone doesn't mean they aren't your rep, hmmmmm?

What does a liberal look like?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

What does a liberal look like?

 

[rog1187]

Is this good or bad for our democracy? If we've seen anything, it's that turnabout, while fair, is likely to be oneupped by the opposing side. I submit that while in the interim, you all on the left might be enjoying this, think of what happens when the right inevitably pushes back harder?

I'm actually beginning to get concerned where this is heading with the left's refusal to accept reality. We are slowly yet steadily picking up steam towards the precipice of potential disaster. Make no mistake, the right is not going to accept this type of coordinated, funded, and disruptive insurgent activism.

Mark my words, short term gains on the left will fuel and be met with extreme blowback by the right.

I understand what you're saying (some on here are missing your point). I think it's a real potential problem in the future.

I think the best way a member of Congress should handle a town hall like those is to recognize that everyone has issues and the best way to address them is to hear from everyone...and not just the loudest in the room.

 

[bamaEER]

lmfao, you seen those pictures from the town halls? They hardly look like liberals to me but if they are being paid where do I sign up? The more likel;y answer is that they are Asshats who didn't know the ACA and Obamacare were the same thing or democratic constituents attending their reps event. Just cause you didn't vote for someone doesn't mean they aren't your rep, hmmmmm?

They must be paid. Hillary is behind the whole thing.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

It also creates an air however where you can't tell who's a real constituent, who's not, who's got a real complaint, who doesn't.

I would require ID checks at the door, proof of where you live, not in my district, not getting in until everyone in my district gets in first, and certainly not going to speak.

I have no doubt that some of these people are making up ******** stories to stir the pot and control the public narrative, and it does a disservice to those that actually do.

Agree completely, and I'd have no issue at all with the proof of living in that district. On the one hand they are rallying the base ... but on the other hand they are defeating their own purpose by providing a convenient excuse. As you said, if you can't tell the real constituents from the rest, then you can just easily dismiss them all.

 

[Boomboom521]

What is a community organizer Boom? How does that qualify him for President? Even in the Illinois Senate he voted present hundreds of times. Totally unqualified. Trump is an idiot, but much more qualified because he was chief executive of a huge corporations. He ran things. He got big things done. He traveled the world doing deals.

We are discussing organizing protesters, NOT Obama's qualifications. I think I said "say what you want about his qualifications as President, but he was an effective community organizer"....so, say what you want....I guess. You hate him WAY TOO much brother.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

It also creates an air however where you can't tell who's a real constituent, who's not, who's got a real complaint, who doesn't.

I would require ID checks at the door, proof of where you live, not in my district, not getting in until everyone in my district gets in first, and certainly not going to speak.

I have no doubt that some of these people are making up ******** stories to stir the pot and control the public narrative, and it does a disservice to those that actually do.

Here is a true story from Charleston, WV.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/health/obamacare-lifetime-limits-impact/

 

[Mntneer]

Not surprising the same morons that loved every conspiracy theory the past eight years are now touting the ridiculous conspiracy of PAID protesters. Meanwhile they spin every real thing this administration is doing as their agenda requires them to do so. Idiots.

That's because during the election the Democrats were paying people to show up to Trump rallies.

 

[Mntneer]

Here is a true story from Charleston, WV.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/health/obamacare-lifetime-limits-impact/

I don't doubt that there a handful of people like this that have benefit from parts of the ACA. Pre-existing conditions, subsidies, etc.

But it's better to not have to wade through the ******** stories to get to the real stories like this. It's better if we can get to the truth first, so we have a better idea of how to really effect change on health care in this country. And let's address the costs so that this family doesn't have to see bills for $800,000.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Bottom line: now that reality is getting ready to hit middle class folks right in the face, they are taking the effort to figure out they have been lied to from the right about the ACA.

They aren't very keen on removing the catastrophic limit elimination provision of ACA, the pre-existing condition elimination provision of ACA, the removal of children until 26 provision of ACA, the lower prescription prices for a lot of drugs, etc.