The main problem with Brown to this point so far

[VaultHunter]

He doesn't have an offensive staff innovative enough to win in this conference. Yet

At programs like Alabama or Georgia or Troy when you have more talent than everyone else you can focus solely on fundamental football. Perfect execution and mistake free you can wait for the lesser team to make mistakes and mess up. That's where WVU is now.

You can stick with 5 formations and run the same 20-25 plays all game and out execute other teams until you come up against someone equally as talented.

The problem is when you are a team full of 3 stars you have to have innovative ways of coaching on offense and defense. We say this last season with Koenning. His in Game calling was 90% the reason the defense was as good as it was for the situation.

Rid Rod was an innovative offensive mind. Dana was an innovative offensive mind. It's why regardless of who we lined up against we seemed to always move the ball and score. Leach is a master play caller and play designer and it's why he walked into Miss State and they already have a signature win. I'm sure they have plenty of other things to get better at but when you have an explosive offense it gives you a shot no matter what other areas you struggle in.

Not saying Brown won't become this way but to win at a program like this you have to out coach and out play call " better teams"

We are completely predictable on offense and have been since Brown got here.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

You are a lot better poster as Bucky

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

I do agree offensive creativity could improve. Maybe he's limited at the moment, from player/skillset functionality. Im surprised Im not seeing more Zone Stretch runs & Roll out passes, as this will help an inexperienced OL. Maybe we'll see more as the year goes on. As long as we see subtle improvements yr to yr, Im not going to seriously criticize until the 2020 class are Juniors(Until the majority of players are NB recruits).

Once the OL is both more talented & experienced, skillset positions are more experienced, & we have a qb whos also a mobility threat. When those occur, Ill seriously be looking at offensive creativity & predictability.

Some of Sat issues, was execution. Players simply failed to win individual battles or when they did, another failed to deliver. It was a very sloppy game, most of which can be corrected in-season, which is the good news.

No matter what the result is at the end of this season, you have to remember how young this team is and how the majority of our current 1st & 2nd team will be here for a few more years.. When you take a close look at the roster, its mostly Freshmen, Redshirt Freshmen, & Sophomores / Redshirt Sophomores. Then take a look at the 2016, 2017 recruiting, which was two of the weakest years under DH, those classes are our current upperclassmen now. We have to give him time to institute & build his vision, and that requires 3-4 years to accomplish. 5 years if you seek a significant improvement. From my research, it usually takes a coach 5 years before they win a major bowl game, when building a program. Dabo at Clemson, Rich at WVU, both took 5 years..

Brown's offenses at Troy wasnt geared for 50 points a game, it was more balanced, to maintain a positive ToP to helphis Defense. I do think you have to walk that fine-line between offense and defense, one can help the other, but the issue boils down to Brown's offense is not yet at a point when it can control the ToP, through varying strategies. So when the 2020 class are Juniors, we should then start to truly see Browns vision unfold & produce fruits.. If the offense still lacks a bit of spark & unpredictability,Ill be the first to seek answers.. Im not a fan of hiring & firing coaches. They need time to implement & build, and fans are not known to be patient. Approx 70 of the approx 112 players on the team are underclassmen, and a fairly large % of those are playing a healthy % of snaps. This tells me they are more talented & Brown is also getting them prepared to be a better player when they are upperclassmen. If DH left a treasure trove of extremely talented upperclassmen I would have a different level of expectation, but that is not the case. Brown is building for the future, which is evident in him giving so many underclassmen healthy time on the field. We just have to remain patient, and realize the change we seek takes years, not weeks.

Personally, I think we will see a much improved team come Sat vs Baylor. We may not win, but corrections should be noticeable, truly thats all we can ask for in year 2 with such a young team.

 

[oceantide83]

The Product's playbook involved about 5 plays, and Dana's playbook consisted of about 90% prayer bombs, so there goes that argument.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The main problem with the op is he only shows up after losses. The guy got banned from the 24/7 Board.

 

[Rootmaster]

The main problem with the op is he only shows up after losses. The guy got banned from the 24/7 Board.

No you are the main problem...your mom writes it on all men's room walls.

 

[Rootmaster]

Undisciplined. Dropped passes. Missed blocks. More interested in looking jive than focusing. Return of last season...1.6 per play. Piss poor. Soft. Coach needs to strap this bunch down...if the BLM and the Diversity Committee allows it.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Undisciplined. Dropped passes. Missed blocks. More interested in looking jive than focusing. Return of last season...1.6 per play. Piss poor. Soft. Coach needs to strap this bunch down...if the BLM and the Diversity Committee allows it.

Young inexperienced no spring practice facing a veteren team like OSU. But all you do is complain like a whiney little *****. Do you need any tampons?

 

[Rootmaster]

Young inexperienced no spring practice facing a veteren team like OSU. But all you do is complain like a whiney little *****. Do you need any tampons?

Lol.. very immature...again. Btw JV/TVZ nonuts...you never told me and fellas where you were for the bbq Trump rally. After all...you sre the entertainment.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Lol.. very immature...again. Btw JV/TVZ nonuts...you never told me and fellas where you were for the bbq Trump rally. After all...you sre the entertainment.

You're a total joke. Why don't you tell us who want as a coach loser so we can ***** and complain when things don't get turned around overnight.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

He doesn't have an offensive staff innovative enough to win in this conference. Yet

At programs like Alabama or Georgia or Troy when you have more talent than everyone else you can focus solely on fundamental football. Perfect execution and mistake free you can wait for the lesser team to make mistakes and mess up. That's where WVU is now.

You can stick with 5 formations and run the same 20-25 plays all game and out execute other teams until you come up against someone equally as talented.

The problem is when you are a team full of 3 stars you have to have innovative ways of coaching on offense and defense. We say this last season with Koenning. His in Game calling was 90% the reason the defense was as good as it was for the situation.

Rid Rod was an innovative offensive mind. Dana was an innovative offensive mind. It's why regardless of who we lined up against we seemed to always move the ball and score. Leach is a master play caller and play designer and it's why he walked into Miss State and they already have a signature win. I'm sure they have plenty of other things to get better at but when you have an explosive offense it gives you a shot no matter what other areas you struggle in.

Not saying Brown won't become this way but to win at a program like this you have to out coach and out play call " better teams"

We are completely predictable on offense and have been since Brown got here.

Brown doesnt have a signature win at Wvu but his Troy team went into baton rouge and beat an LSU team. That was better than anything Dana ever did.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

The partition of Louisiana was about to start thanks to Neal Brown.
But somehow LSU rebounded a couple of weeks later against Auburn.


But he had already been there at Troy for awhile

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I do agree offensive creativity could improve. Maybe he's limited at the moment, from player/skillset functionality. Im surprised Im not seeing more Zone Stretch runs & Roll out passes, as this will help an inexperienced OL. Maybe we'll see more as the year goes on. As long as we see subtle improvements yr to yr, Im not going to seriously criticize until the 2020 class are Juniors(Until the majority of players are NB recruits).

Once the OL is both more talented & experienced, skillset positions are more experienced, & we have a qb whos also a mobility threat. When those occur, Ill seriously be looking at offensive creativity & predictability.

Some of Sat issues, was execution. Players simply failed to win individual battles or when they did, another failed to deliver. It was a very sloppy game, most of which can be corrected in-season, which is the good news.

No matter what the result is at the end of this season, you have to remember how young this team is and how the majority of our current 1st & 2nd team will be here for a few more years.. When you take a close look at the roster, its mostly Freshmen, Redshirt Freshmen, & Sophomores / Redshirt Sophomores. Then take a look at the 2016, 2017 recruiting, which was two of the weakest years under DH, those classes are our current upperclassmen now. We have to give him time to institute & build his vision, and that requires 3-4 years to accomplish. 5 years if you seek a significant improvement. From my research, it usually takes a coach 5 years before they win a major bowl game, when building a program. Dabo at Clemson, Rich at WVU, both took 5 years..

Brown's offenses at Troy wasnt geared for 50 points a game, it was more balanced, to maintain a positive ToP to helphis Defense. I do think you have to walk that fine-line between offense and defense, one can help the other, but the issue boils down to Brown's offense is not yet at a point when it can control the ToP, through varying strategies. So when the 2020 class are Juniors, we should then start to truly see Browns vision unfold & produce fruits.. If the offense still lacks a bit of spark & unpredictability,Ill be the first to seek answers.. Im not a fan of hiring & firing coaches. They need time to implement & build, and fans are not known to be patient. Approx 70 of the approx 112 players on the team are underclassmen, and a fairly large % of those are playing a healthy % of snaps. This tells me they are more talented & Brown is also getting them prepared to be a better player when they are upperclassmen. If DH left a treasure trove of extremely talented upperclassmen I would have a different level of expectation, but that is not the case. Brown is building for the future, which is evident in him giving so many underclassmen healthy time on the field. We just have to remain patient, and realize the change we seek takes years, not weeks.

Personally, I think we will see a much improved team come Sat vs Baylor. We may not win, but corrections should be noticeable, truly thats all we can ask for in year 2 with such a young team.

The op is a troll only shows up after losses. As for the majority of what you said its pretty much true. You're not gonna to be a championship team at wvu when you are relying on Freshman and sophmores to lead the way. Its not gonna happen anywhere. NB wants a more physical run game at the point of attack and he didn't inherit enough quality lineman to be successful. Secondly he didnt have the benefit of a spring evaluation period. The whiners will make the excuse that it happened to everyone which is True But it was harder for coachs like Brown who is dealing with a young roster and still trying to figure what he can and cannot excute at this stage of the programs development. If we get to year 4 and its the same then there would be cause fo concern. Some of the fans on here need to get off of Browns back on the vic deal. Who knows what happened between Vic and KM but its over time to move on. Brown had no choice in the outcome if vic would have stayed it would have probably become a liability for Brown and the program.

 

[Rootmaster]

Too funny idiot number one responding to idiot number two...all inside tvz/jv single mini brain....and posting. Too funny.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

Some of the fans on here need to get off of Browns back on the vic deal. Who knows what happened between Vic and KM but its over time to move on. Brown had no choice in the outcome if vic would have stayed it would have probably become a liability for Brown and the program.

According to an insider, who spoke with someone that has knows the contents of the report, there wasnt a fire-able offense committed by Vic, nothing warranted him leaving. That said, you are correct, even if he was completely innocent, it absolutely would have been a liability in the recruiting game. My hope is KM transfers, it seems he'll join his buddy PItts soon, cause at this point he's just a distraction & a splinter in the fanbase. Its extremely disappointing all around, cause many of us would have done all we could to support KM throughout his life, and we all loved Vic and his brutal honesty(not aligned with GenZ), which was somewhat hilarious at times. Bottom line, if you are emotionally traumatized cause someone said "retard" after a boneheaded mistake, you are not mature enough to be in a professional environment, and thats what I think Brown is building & instilling in Morgantown.

When Vic was hired, everyone praised him for saying "We will be the builders of men, on & off the field, to be mentors, and teach them how to be successful in life, to teach & love them hard as a family member would". Well when you treat someone like family, you have tough conversations, you talk about many different things aside from football. Vic was doing what he said he would, and from KM's twitter PM's to me, he was obviously getting emotionally caught up with certain indoctrinations. I would never trust someones state of mind who says " Its ok to riot & loot, because Europeans stole land from the Indians". That was an actual message to me, which caught me by surprise, as I thought he was a level headed type, which is why I offered him a position with my company if he pursued certain degrees. I was hit hard by it all, because I had somewhat consistent stream of conversation with KM once he committed, its almost like being betrayed, difficult to explain or put into words really.

All that aside, I think we have two really good position coaches in Jahmile & Lesley, I hope we can hold onto them both. If we add someone, maybe we can get Blake Seilers back since his wife is from close by, and move Cansteel back as an analyst. I would promote all three to Co-DC, they all deserve a decent raise as well. Not sure that would happen, but having Jahmile, Lesley, & Seilers would be a great def staff.

 

[Rootmaster]

Co coordinators never work...let alone tri coordinators lol

 

[mofo]

He doesn't have an offensive staff innovative enough to win in this conference. Yet

At programs like Alabama or Georgia or Troy when you have more talent than everyone else you can focus solely on fundamental football. Perfect execution and mistake free you can wait for the lesser team to make mistakes and mess up. That's where WVU is now.

You can stick with 5 formations and run the same 20-25 plays all game and out execute other teams until you come up against someone equally as talented.

The problem is when you are a team full of 3 stars you have to have innovative ways of coaching on offense and defense. We say this last season with Koenning. His in Game calling was 90% the reason the defense was as good as it was for the situation.

Rid Rod was an innovative offensive mind. Dana was an innovative offensive mind. It's why regardless of who we lined up against we seemed to always move the ball and score. Leach is a master play caller and play designer and it's why he walked into Miss State and they already have a signature win. I'm sure they have plenty of other things to get better at but when you have an explosive offense it gives you a shot no matter what other areas you struggle in.

Not saying Brown won't become this way but to win at a program like this you have to out coach and out play call " better teams"

We are completely predictable on offense and have been since Brown got here.

PricRod's innovative mind only showed at WVU when he had a QB who run the RPO with a threat to run.
But QB is a throwing position.

PricRod left for Michigan with Gibby to land Terrell Pryer.

 

[MeBlow]

No you are the main problem...your mom writes it on all men's room walls.

Those who write on bathroom walls
Roll their **** in little balls
Those who read the bits of wit
Eat the little balls of ****

A bit of wisdom I remember prominently displayed on the bathroom wall at the glorious College Inn in the partying Mecca that was Sunnyside. 1976-1980. Rock n roll.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

According to an insider, who spoke with someone that has knows the contents of the report, there wasnt a fire-able offense committed by Vic, nothing warranted him leaving. That said, you are correct, even if he was completely innocent, it absolutely would have been a liability in the recruiting game. My hope is KM transfers, it seems he'll join his buddy PItts soon, cause at this point he's just a distraction & a splinter in the fanbase. Its extremely disappointing all around, cause many of us would have done all we could to support KM throughout his life, and we all loved Vic and his brutal honesty(not aligned with GenZ), which was somewhat hilarious at times. Bottom line, if you are emotionally traumatized cause someone said "retard" after a boneheaded mistake, you are not mature enough to be in a professional environment, and thats what I think Brown is building & instilling in Morgantown.

When Vic was hired, everyone praised him for saying "We will be the builders of men, on & off the field, to be mentors, and teach them how to be successful in life, to teach & love them hard as a family member would". Well when you treat someone like family, you have tough conversations, you talk about many different things aside from football. Vic was doing what he said he would, and from KM's twitter PM's to me, he was obviously getting emotionally caught up with certain indoctrinations. I would never trust someones state of mind who says " Its ok to riot & loot, because Europeans stole land from the Indians". That was an actual message to me, which caught me by surprise, as I thought he was a level headed type, which is why I offered him a position with my company if he pursued certain degrees. I was hit hard by it all, because I had somewhat consistent stream of conversation with KM once he committed, its almost like being betrayed, difficult to explain or put into words really.

All that aside, I think we have two really good position coaches in Jahmile & Lesley, I hope we can hold onto them both. If we add someone, maybe we can get Blake Seilers back since his wife is from close by, and move Cansteel back as an analyst. I would promote all three to Co-DC, they all deserve a decent raise as well. Not sure that would happen, but having Jahmile, Lesley, & Seilers would be a great def staff.

Retardation is beyond someone's control majority of the time.

Using it as a personal attack needs to go away.

Back in the day we would call people **** and retards and thought nothing of it.

No one asked to be born mentally or physically handicapped.

No need for that.

Has nothing to do with people being emotionally weak. It has something to do with using someone's misfortune as a personal attack on others.

 

[muthed]

According to an insider, who spoke with someone that has knows the contents of the report, there wasnt a fire-able offense committed by Vic, nothing warranted him leaving. That said, you are correct, even if he was completely innocent, it absolutely would have been a liability in the recruiting game. My hope is KM transfers, it seems he'll join his buddy PItts soon, cause at this point he's just a distraction & a splinter in the fanbase. Its extremely disappointing all around, cause many of us would have done all we could to support KM throughout his life, and we all loved Vic and his brutal honesty(not aligned with GenZ), which was somewhat hilarious at times. Bottom line, if you are emotionally traumatized cause someone said "retard" after a boneheaded mistake, you are not mature enough to be in a professional environment, and thats what I think Brown is building & instilling in Morgantown.

When Vic was hired, everyone praised him for saying "We will be the builders of men, on & off the field, to be mentors, and teach them how to be successful in life, to teach & love them hard as a family member would". Well when you treat someone like family, you have tough conversations, you talk about many different things aside from football. Vic was doing what he said he would, and from KM's twitter PM's to me, he was obviously getting emotionally caught up with certain indoctrinations. I would never trust someones state of mind who says " Its ok to riot & loot, because Europeans stole land from the Indians". That was an actual message to me, which caught me by surprise, as I thought he was a level headed type, which is why I offered him a position with my company if he pursued certain degrees. I was hit hard by it all, because I had somewhat consistent stream of conversation with KM once he committed, its almost like being betrayed, difficult to explain or put into words really.

All that aside, I think we have two really good position coaches in Jahmile & Lesley, I hope we can hold onto them both. If we add someone, maybe we can get Blake Seilers back since his wife is from close by, and move Cansteel back as an analyst. I would promote all three to Co-DC, they all deserve a decent raise as well. Not sure that would happen, but having Jahmile, Lesley, & Seilers would be a great def staff.

We don't want him in Hton.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

Retardation is beyond someone's control majority of the time.

Using it as a personal attack needs to go away.

Back in the day we would call people **** and retards and thought nothing of it.

No one asked to be born mentally or physically handicapped.

No need for that.

Has nothing to do with people being emotionally weak. It has something to do with using someone's misfortune as a personal attack on others.

Sticks & Stones