The hatefest in both directions is just part of the show.
http://www.economist.com/news/busin...aditional-media-firms-are-enjoying-trump-bump
http://www.economist.com/news/busin...aditional-media-firms-are-enjoying-trump-bump
The mainstream media loves Trump because he brings in more $. Link.
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With all due respect Op2, in my opinion I don't think that's it at all. They actually and genuinely hate him, and their constant bashing of him over every breath he draws is evident of that ongoing hatred.
So why do they and most of the Leftist ideology they promote hate Trump and his supporters with such maniacal ferocity?
Because he represents the biggest threat to dismantle the edifice they have errected, worship, and idolize. The very process and theology they have pledged their allegiance to...what their Faith and purpose is in.
Leviathan. The State.... a Socialist utopian. Globalism. Secular Humanism. Atheism. Anti-Christ.
The common thread stringing Trump hatred and the Left together is hatred of all things Christian or God centered.
Anyone and everyone on the Left shares this hatred not only of Trump, but of the entire concept of our individual & Religious freedoms based on our allegiance to a Creator specified in our founding documents, not an all encompassing Government run by all powerful Men!
The media, the Left, and secular humanists hate Trump, America, and anything or anyone else who thinks or believes alternative to their supreme Leviathan State run Holy grail.
They ALL must be destroyed.
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Wow, you're something. So despite the fact that Trump brings in big money, they hate him? Okay.
And religion? With Trump? Seriously? I think it's even more likely that Trump is an atheist than it was that Obama was an atheist.
I think the fact that someone like Trump got such strong support from evangelicals is evidence that the Religious Right has given up on getting one of their own in and they're shifting to surrogates like Trump that the left hates instead.
Op2 you really think the Left hates Trump only because he has money?
You really think Trump's Pro Life position is inferior to Obama's and Hillary's tax payer supported Abortion on demand support when the two are compared by Evengelicals?
You really think the Right believes Trump is anti second amendment, anti Religious Freedom and anti school choice like virtually 100% of the radical Left is?
You really are delusional my friend. As I said, the more you post, the more you leave me confused over what you really believe?
Honest to goodness, I've almost had enough. Where do you even get this stuff?
"you really think the Left hates Trump only because he has money?"
Did I say anything withing 10,000 miles of that? Where do you get it?
And the other stuff you posted wasn't relevant either. You posted about stuff about Trump being a threat to secular humanism and atheism and I noted that he's not even slightly religious and you respond with stuff about the 2nd Amendment and school choice. What???
Either address what I write or else I'm just not going to bother engaging anymore.
OP, let me pose a far different and Imo, more accurate storyline. The media adored Trump doing the primary season. He brought ratings and he took the best the GOP had to offer down. In doing so, he made it much easier for Hillary. He brought ratings and destroyed Hillary's likely GOP opponents (Kasich, Rubio, etc.). A huge win-win for the media.
Then the general election came around and the media coverage changed dramatically. Naturally, the liberal media wanted a Hillary victory. And Trump's coverage turned decidedly negative. He didn't do anything different, but his opponent was different,
This survey shows that 88% of Trump's media coverage is negative:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/14035/report-how-biased-media-against-trump-88-coverage-james-barrett
This exhaustive by the highly respected Tenor, is published in the Wash Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-even-on-fox-news/?dg&utm_term=.0fba41cc06f0
To claim that the media secretly loves Trump because of the ratings is simply silly. They can still cover Trump. Still highlight his statements. Still be 50-60% negative and get ratings. But 88%? And so much fake news that even highly respected John Dickerson says the media is essentially destroying itself.
Op2, what did you mean by this? Do you suggest the media hates Trump only because he makes money for them? That doesn't even make any sense.
You're the one who wrote this:
"And religion? With Trump? Seriously? I think it's even more likely that Trump is an atheist than it was that Obama was an atheist"
and this:
"I think the fact that someone like Trump got such strong support from evangelicals is evidence that the Religious Right has given up on getting one of their own in and they're shifting to surrogates like Trump that the left hates instead'.
So I responded with my post pointing out to you why the Right supports Trump because he is the antithesis of the Left's main positions on all of the issues I mentioned.
So now you accuse me of "making things up'?
I'm responding to your posts Op2!
Tell me... who do you think the Right or Evangelicals think supports Israel more Trump or Obama?
Do you think the Right or Evangelicals believe Trump or Obama favors school choice vouchers more? (Trump is visiting a Private school run by vouchers today in Florida...where's Obama?)
If the right has "sold out" to Trump as you suggest just because he has money, and that's the reason the Left hates him as you suggested...then why does the Left back such a rich radical rabble rouser like George Soros...who is also a Billionaire last time I checked? I thought the Left hated rich people with money?
You're trying to argue to me that the Right has sold its soul to the Devil and hooked up with Trump just because he has money?
(you wrote: "I think the fact that someone like Trump got such strong support from evangelicals is evidence that the Religious Right has given up on getting one of their own in and they're shifting to surrogates like Trump that the left hates instead") but it's really the Left that is upset with him over his wealth and lack of Christian virtues?
Don't make me laugh Op2.
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The media adored Trump during primary season? The media has never adored Trump, period, even before he ran for POTUS. His MO has always been to play the over the top rich guy and the media has always played that angle because that gets eyeballs but the media has never fawned over Trump and I doubt Trump would ever want them to because Trump prefers to conquer.
The whole time Trump was running for the GOP nomination the general gestalt was "Look at this crazy guy running, no way he can win, but the whole thing is so crazy that everybody wants to watch so great, let's keep putting him on TV because it's good for ratings." That's not adoration. Trump has always been "the bad guy" but he's been one that gets great ratings.
So OK Op2, let's say you're right? Why do they want to destroy him now if he's bringing them such great ratings? You'd think they'd want to keep his carnival show up and running to buck up their audience cums?
Instead they hate his guts, ratings be damned. They're turning off half of their audience with their incessant Trump bashing, but that sure as Hell doesn't stop them.
Why?
Because of what I've already told you about why they hate him so much.
Did you read the first post in this thread? Ratings are way up. Trying to destroy someone, whether you're really trying to destroy them or just pretending, gets great ratings.
I addressed your post point by point Op2, specifically and directly and I even suggested to you the real reason(s) the Left and the Media hates Trump so much. Now you can disagree with me, but ask yourself this question:
If it's not because of Trump's belief and support of our Constitutional Individual and Religious Freedoms and allegiance to a Creator so named... do you agree with the People who believe that and support Trump because of it?
What other reason(s) does the Right support him so strongly?
Why do you oppose him?
Is it because he doesn't reflect "Christian values"? Because he's arrogant? Because he's an Atheist? A liar? Because he's a rich snob?
You being on the Left of course abhor all of those things in a political candidate right Op2?
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You were not paying one bit of attention to the primary. Zucker said Trump was great for ratings. He put him on every chance he got. He called into every news show around and they put him on. He sucked the air out of the media coverage for the GOP during the primary.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...35afb41797f_story.html?utm_term=.f68555ab335d
And you're giving the media far too little credit. They knew exactly what they were doing with Trump during the primary. He was great for ratings and he destroyed his fellow GOPers. A win-win.
Why all the negative coverage now? How do you reconcile their loving him during the general and now hating him?
My God, OP, it's ideology. 91% negative? That's just not possible with a balanced media. Conservatives give him about an 85 - 90% positive rating. How could the media essentially give him just the opposite? Can they not report on the positive things he has done that Republicans and Independents agree with? Yes, they could, but they won't. Corruption.
THEY DON'T HATE HIM NOW, HE GETS GREAT RATINGS!!!!!! I don't understand why people don't see something so simple as this.
Have you guys ever seen professional wresting? That's what this is. Sometimes someone is a "bad guy" but that doesn't mean he's inherently bad or that the pro wresting federation is against him. It's a role. Trump likes it and the media like it because it benefits them both, as the fact that it got Trump elected POTUS and the fact that the media ratings are high attest.
Op2, you said the media hates Trump, because he brings them ratings. They are trying to keep their ratings up by bashing him. That's your argument right?
There is no other reason they hate him so much...other than to keep their ratings high right?
So explain why they still oppose him on issues that don't bring them ratings? Like limiting the size of Government. Regulatory reforms. Immigration reforms. Abortion. School choice.
No one is clamoring for more media stories on these issues, yet the Media virtually is 100 opposed to Trump on every one of them. So explain to me how protecting their ratings by opposing Trump on these issues is even smart business, let alone wrong?
The WWF gives bad guys in pro wrestling 100% negative coverage. That's the point. Trump gives the media 100% negative coverage. That's the game! Being over the top is what got him elected POTUS.
Suppose he tried so have a sit and have a long, reason, thoughtful, professorial discussion of the kind that Obama was prone to have. Would anyone have voted for him? Who was the biggest policy wonk amongst the GOP contenders in 2016? Rand Paul probably? How about 2012? Jon Hunstman, when people made fun of him for being an egghead? That stuff doesn't fly and Trump knows it. He WANTS the yelling and arguing in and with the media. It helps him.
91% negative? OMG. Have you seen his press conferences? The hate is palpable.
Let me give you a lesson OP. The media's job is to report facts, right? Why are they shunning that responsibility and their journalistic ethics? For financial gain for their companies? Would you violate your professional ethics so that your company can make a little more money? Would you sacrifice your credibility for your company? Or would you take a principled stance and decline for the sake of your professionalism?
You're essentially saying the MSM are all whores worshipping at the altar of ratings. I think the media can get ratings and still cover Trump in a fair and balanced fashion.
How do you know that any media oppose anyone on anything? They're media, their job is to get you to watch.
"You're essentially saying the MSM are all whores worshipping at the altar of ratings."
Now you're starting to get it. What I don't understand is why it took so long considering it's been this way forever.
You're arguing against yourself Op2! You're saying the media really loves to hate Trump because he brings them ratings. Well by that same argument, they should have opposed Obama as maniacally as they do Trump!
Did they? He was great ratings...AND they supported and fawned over every initiative he proposed, even if it was an abject failure like the ACA.
So why continue to support someone who was so obviously flawed at least politically when protecting their ratings was all they were concerned about? They should have been bashing Obama every day like they do Trump just to keep their ratings high right Op2?
And why now conversely, continue to oppose Trump on things that don't bring them any ratings, just to protect them (ratings)?
You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth trying to get around the real reason I've already told you they hate Trump (you too)
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If you start a media entity you do whatever you want. I can't dictate to you what you should do.
That's not what this reporter says Op2:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...its-our-job-control-exactly-what-people-think
OP, professional wrestling is a HOAX. Are you saying the hard news media is a HOAX? Only interested in ratings. Lie, distort, slant, ignore all for ratings? If you're right, the media is much more corrupt than I thought.
BTW, the media's non stop negative coverage of Trump is not good for Trump. Have you seen his ratings?
Exactly! Op2 is in quick sand, and won't admit it. His argument for the media hysteria over Trump is bogus and he knows it. They hate him for reasons far beyond protecting their ratings.
Sophistry.
So because I equate playing up a "bad guy" to increase ratings like they do in wrestling I'm suddenly implying that everything is a hoax? Oh, okay.
If not for the medias non-stop coverage of Trump HE WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT so yes, on the whole it's good for him. That doesn't mean every single thing the media does is good for Trump. The media looks after themselves somewhat too ya know. Geez, you guys are a chore.
Op2, if the Media was more concerned about it's ratings under Obama using your theory can you cite some examples for me where they opposed him (or made him out to be the "bad guy" under your scenario) to keep their ratings up?
When was their coverage of Obama nearly 100% negative or at least as universally negative (91%) against him like it is against Trump now?
I actually do believe that is exactly what he is arguing (after rereading all the posts he's made in this thread)
Not only that PAX, he seems to be suggesting it's always been that way. Noting but a "show" to draw ratings. No need for them to be factual, or even responsible in their reporting! just get eyeballs to watch...that's it...to Hell with telling the Truth!
And apparently he's OK with that. Maybe that explains why the Left has no issues with all of the "fake news" reporting going on now?
Amazing.
Yeah, I'll give you an example. Everything over the last 1.5 years. Obama was totally different. He's a good guy in wresting. Trump is a bad guy in wrestling. Hilary is an uninteresting person in wresting, which is why she lost.
Honest to goodness, this is such a waste of time. Why do you guys spend so much time on this nonsense? Pointless.
Because your argument doesn't make any sense Op2. You said the last 1.5 years the Media was "all over" Obama as a good guy foil just to prop up their ratings?
So then why did they pimp Trump as PAX suggested during the Republican primaries? Wouldn't they have been "all over" Hillary to keep their ratings up by her being in effect an extension of Obama's 3rd term?
Hilary is boring. Obama and Trump are not. If Hilary wasn't boring she'd be POTUS today. It's too bad people judge based on that stuff, but they do.
Well then I'd be very distrustful of virtually anything or anyone they report on who is "boring".
So tell me Op2, since you think the Media does not find Trump "boring", do you think they still fairly and accurately report on him?
Did they fairly and accurately report on Obama who also was not "boring"?
Do they tell the Truth, or is everything they report on based on lies and "ratings"?
I do agree with OP about one thing. He claims the media is ALL ABOUT RATINGS. This means the media cannot be trusted to report facts but rather report things that get ratings, even if those things are outright lies. He has proved my point that I have been making for months. The main stream media is corrupt. OP and I simply have different theories as to why they are corrupt.
