I don’t remember you calling out a single Republican but you sure bought a lot of false claims about Biden
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You either are incompetent or drunk. I’ve been very clear that I many on both sides are bad, and have stated my criticism of Trump. As a decision maker for the country, he’s been really good. Probably the best.
False claims about Biden? He’s a career, corrupt, lying politician that has been profiting off us while acting like he cares.
I've made statements criticizing, off the top of my head, Hillary Clinton, progressives who failed to recognize her as the flawed candidate she was, Maxine Waters, Alexandia Ocasio Cortez, Al Gore and the Central Park Dog Walker.
I'm made positive comments about multiple conservatives, which you can look back a few pages for a post where I listed them all.
I wouldn't be making the type of claims you say if the situations were reversed (but exact same otherwise) and there is nothing in my posting history here that suggests that.
For as much as you like to claim I'm unable to think for myself and I am just a brainwashed sheep, it actually seems like I'm the one who actually likes to read and research.
For example, I was a normal Republican I would recognize that Biden was projected to win mail-in ballots by a huge percentage, due to Donald Trump's insistence and begging that his people not trust the mail-in system.
After the election, I would have done my own research to determine if I thought there was anything sketchy in places like Philadelphia.
For example, I would look historically GOP states that Donald Trump comfortably and see Biden winning 65-70 percent of mail-votes in those states. Using that information, I wouldn't find it hard to believe that Biden would carry 80 percent of the bluest districts of historically blue states.
By the way, you talk about dodging, but I posted something earlier that I was hoping you would give an opinion on:
Thoughts? Is Forbes close enough to the center for you to take as a valid source of economic news?
I just can’t buy what you’re trying to say. I just think most all of the media is so liberal, any republican is fighting a losing battle. You do a better job attempting to stay neutral than the other liberals here, but you still only go so far before your bias shows.
You’ve just been wired that way.
Let’s face it. If Newsmax is his go-to, everyone is too far left.
@durhamgolfer does what liberals do best. Tried to say I don’t ever criticize republicans, is proven to have lied, yet moves on to the next topic. Golf clap for her. Just can’t help yourselves, you’re liberals, you’ve been brainwashed.
Poor sheep.
Poor sheep.
All in one source by a reputable journalist ( oxymoron these days) - for the nothing to see crowd and the suspicious crowd. Make up your own mind. My last post in this thread since its run its course.
Denverexpat’s last post will get debated. Liberals don’t believe it. Why? Because the sources of their choice are in the tank.
I’m not sure many people want the truth, but I know the left doesn’t. Feelings over facts. Party gridlock. Really sad.
I’m not sure many people want the truth, but I know the left doesn’t. Feelings over facts. Party gridlock. Really sad.
I believe a lot of what I read in that post. However what I read is basically a bunch of pro-Trump people making claims to have seen or heard somebody else see or hear something.
I think my favorite is the lawyer (remember a decent lawyer knows how far they can push something without putting himself in the position of having to produce evidence to support a claim or be held responsible for libel, defamation or false accusation) who claims to have heard "over 500," consecutive ballots called out for Biden. Was he using hash marks? Was he recording then later reviewing the audio? 500 straight seems like a high number to keep track of. Since he got all the way up to 500, what made him lost count and have to estimate the rest of the way?
I also liked the person from the assisted living home who claimed all 20 of her clients had been pressured to vote for Biden. Since all 20 enough were competent enough to vote for Biden, why wouldn't any of them come forward to speak for themselves?
I was excited to watch the Georgia video that supposedly blew the lid off cheating poll workers but disappointed to find out it was just some dude telling about how he (allegedly) saw a ballot-counter make a couple mistakes and that he went and told her supervisor about it.
I found it good that the piece contained Michigan claims. I didn't read the link in that but does it contain the part about the "election expert" from Texas who matched up Minnesota counties with Michigan voters to allege his case of fraud?
Seriously, the only stuff that seems to have any validity are the instances where people actually got charged with crimes well before the election. That shows that attempts at fraud were caught and are being prosecuted. Doesn't that give you peace of mind?
Yes it does. They need to be prosecuted. The bigger allegations are the computer ones. If what they’re accusing is true, what should happen?
I semi-lied..one more
From a Pollster this time...too many to make these coincidental - statistically the results do not make sense, nor historically....ok, NOW I'm done!
My favourite line: "It is particularly perplexing that all statistical anomalies and tabulation abnormalities were in Biden’s favor. Whether the cause was simple human error or nefarious activity, or a combination, clearly something peculiar happened"
Claims like the Arizona were disproved already, so I don't have much belief that any real charges will come of this. It's really quite simple, though.
The campaign simply needs to go into a courtroom, make clear charges (supported by evidence) against the individuals they feel are in the wrong and move forward. The problem is they don't do that. They get into courtrooms and make a bunch of twisting, turning claims with no evidence and, has been pointed out, never actually allege fraud.
We will see what is to come of the Dominion accusations. Fraud has happened, and I believe more so than other elections. Proving it is the hard part.
Apparently alleging it is also pretty hard, because none of the allegations seem to make any sense to the judges who are hearing the motions.
I came across a site, The Donald, a few days ago. Are you familiar with it?
In 2000 the GOP lost every single court case both federally and state until it went to the SCOTUS. Just saying. Not exactly apples to apples. But still.
Never checked that site. As far as proving some of these allegations? I’m not so sure the judges so far have been willing to do the right thing. Cheating has happened, and big time. It may have to get to the justices, at least the ones with common sense.
You never answered my question about Dominion. What if that is as damaging as Trump’s team, and Powell say they are?
They'll have to actually say something for me to actually answer that. I'm not dodging or being sarcastic either. I've listened to Sydney Powell, Rudy Giuliani and Trump himself talk about Dominion and it all sounds like conspiracy gibberish. Between them being all over the place about where the company is located, who owns it, Hugo Chavez's creating and China being involved it's pretty hard to follow. Throw in the fact that the only thing that actually gets pointed out (6,000 votes wrongfully to Biden staying on the record) was basically a clerical error that was corrected before the campaign lawyers pointed out, and it seems like a big bag of nothing.
I know you want this election to be rigged and overturned so your guy can stay in office, but how many times does the same movie have to play for you to know the end?
Trump's entire political career is essentially throw out something, create a massive conspiracy around it, investigate (since taking his office with his own loyalists doing the investigation, all the while hyping up what's COMING SOON!) and then float off into the night when nothing comes of it. Then just to keep his people on board, he'll occasionally refer to it like the truth was out there but nobody was willing to do anything about it.
Do you actually think something like this couldn’t, or hadn’t been happening? I believe cheating has always gone on, and that it happened in 16, with the intent on Hilary winning.
The Establishment underestimated the silent majority that was larger than they expected. They planned for it this go around. But, they had to go to Plan B after 9:00 pm. That’s when the lights were turned off so they could regroup. They didn’t expect Sleepy Joe to be behind as bad as he was. This sounds foreign to you I know, and the biggest reason is you’re under the impression that the media is honest and fair.
They are neither.
Yeah, it's definitely me.
If we could find some other topic besides politics to discuss a conspiracy like this, maybe you would see how delusional it all sounds. Then again, maybe something occurred in life that led you to travel down roads such as this.
The explanation being laid out apparently involves the media, democrats, the establishment, secretaries of state and governors of both parties, a voting system that was apparently created to fix elections in Venezuela but that just couldn't fix a state election enough and a group of whoever that decided stop the ballot-counting for a few hours (all this in a few hours!) to manufacture enough new ballots to offset what the voting system created specifically for this purpose couldn't take care of.
And then there is Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice and the FBI (all led by Trump-appointees) that have been watching and finding nothing and, in some cases, making specific efforts to point out that this was a fair and free election. That would mean they are all in on the fix.
This sounds like a Dale Gribble rant.
You are getting your news from somewhere. What sites do you go to?
Nothing happened earlier in my life. That’s funny. What did happen? I started to pay attention, look at people’s actions, not their words. The whole bunch in DC is corrupt. Has been for decades. They killed JFK. That shouldn’t even be argued.
Majority of these people go up there and get bought. If you don’t, you probably won’t last long. That’s why I like Trump. He can’t be bought.
Your sources tell you what you want to hear, where there are problems, and who’s to blame for those problems. Funny though that these problems are never solved under their leadership, yet they continue to tell you what they’ll do.
What they have been doing for a long time, and doing it slowly, is taking away our freedoms. Making us more dependent on the government. They aren’t the answer. Look in the black neighborhoods. Been lying to them for decades. They are no different than the guy that sells the user his drugs.
But keep believing what you do. It’s not true though, and your sources are full of ****.
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It's not sources, it's logic. You have suggested everything in my previous post and logical thought would eliminate damn near all of it.
You like Trump because he can't be bought, yet he actually said in an interview that he helped Mohammed bin Salman get away with murder because there is a lot of money to be made with Saudi Arabia. He also talks really strong about gun control after every school shooting, but then meets with NRA leaders and the talk immediately stops. He's also has approximately $500 million in debt that is coming due in the next four years so I imagine he can probably be, at the very least, leveraged. That's just opinion though.
I agree with you about JFK not being a one-man job, although I've always been interested in theory that it was essentially a mob hit. That would nicely wrap up the Jack Ruby connection.
By the way, I don't think it was earlier life, like childhood or anything. That thing you said about listening to the conspiracy guy all those years ago and not buying in but then how it started to make sense to you about four or five years ago. Many studies have shown that people who become wrapped up in conspiracy theories and find belonging in cults or cult-like movements, even the online variety, often experience some sort of a traumatic experience or hit a wall in life that leads them down such a path.
You are so far off base. The only thing in your post that makes any sense is the JFK death. His was bigger than just the mob. He went against the Establishment. He was against war, and wanted to tear apart the cia. You don’t like Trump. I get it. He is brash, and has a past. But who doesn’t have a past? Biden is rotten to the core, so are the Clinton’s, Pelosi is too, and her nephew, Newsome, has learned well.
You watch horrible people on tv, or read slanderous articles from people who aren’t interested in fixing problems. Until you open your eyes, which I’m not sure that will ever happen, you will continue to walk around in the dark.
@Mac9192
I actually just watched a large portion of Trump's monologue he did on Fox this morning and he actually did suggest the DOJ and FBI are involved with the rigging the election. I didn't know that at the time of my earlier post.
Let this sink in the next time you think any of this **** makes sense:
Donald Trump has suggested William Barr, who actually has argued DOJ lawyers should be allowed to represent Trump in a defamation lawsuit because he feels Trump was acting in his presidential capacity when Trump said an accuser wasn't didn't meet his standard of rape-worthy, is involved with stealing the election from him. The same William Barr who shredded his own credibility to play PR spin doctor for Trump by releasing that joke of an edited version of the Mueller report.
Either Trump is really just pushing this as far down the road as possible to continue collecting the PAC donations, which is entirely possible and smart, or he needs mental help.
Well, of course it makes sense. Unless you're the type that thinks our government is honest. Did you hear where Trump said he was disappointed in the governor of Georgia? Think he said he was embarrassed that he had endorsed Kemp. I don't know why this is a hard concept for many of you to grasp. Money talks, and bribes are made.
Many democrats have been on record the last few years complaining about the voting machines being able to be compromised. There was the Michigan Professor that did a YouTube video on how it can be done. All the sudden, democrats are quiet, and there's nothing to see. Isn't that odd?
But, we are to believe an inept, not popular man that stayed in his basement, had little energy at his rallies, and just did a Thanksgiving message that was not watched by many, gathered 80 million votes legally? Oh, and the cities being at the center of these accusations? You can't make this stuff up.
I don't know how anyone with a sane mind could even suggest that this election has been legit.
Many democrats have been on record the last few years complaining about the voting machines being able to be compromised. There was the Michigan Professor that did a YouTube video on how it can be done. All the sudden, democrats are quiet, and there's nothing to see. Isn't that odd?
But, we are to believe an inept, not popular man that stayed in his basement, had little energy at his rallies, and just did a Thanksgiving message that was not watched by many, gathered 80 million votes legally? Oh, and the cities being at the center of these accusations? You can't make this stuff up.
I don't know how anyone with a sane mind could even suggest that this election has been legit.
It makes me laugh when you tell me (and others) about being sheep and being in the dark and being brainwashed, but then you post things like this.
I'm certain Trump is disappointed in William Barr, Brian Kemp or anyone else he feels like he directly (or indirectly by way of endorsement) put in a position. He asks for total loyalty from "his" people. The problem is, he doesn't understand that folks in these roles are not "his" people. They are not employees of the Trump Organization and they don't work for him. They work for the United States of America.
It is this line of thinking that led to him, a month prior to the election, express the thought that the Supreme Court would decide the presidency. If Trump's other comments, statements and tweets are any indication, he thinks the three justices he has had appointed (and possibly thr other six, as well) work for him. Therefore he just needs two others (and there's that many conservatives not including Roberts, so why wouldn't they) to side with him and he's President.
As for your other stuff, I ask you to at least look into the stuff you parrot from Trump and his sycophants.
I actually posted about the Democrat/voting concerns a couple weeks ago. Don't take my word for anything, though. Just use the names I listed (they're the same ones mentioned by right-wing media) and do some searching. You can actually find the videos and letters online. What those Democrats questioned is nothing close to what is being thrown around by Trump's team and surrogates.
Inepts, unpopular, etc, etc.
Biden apparently is not inept because he played a major part in resurrecting the economy following Barack Obama's election.
Biden apparently is not all that unpopular as he was elected to the United States Senate six times and to the United States Presidency once.
I can't believe you cited the Thanksgiving message thing. For real, just try to fact check some of the **** you read.
Trump tweeted that on Friday and OANN "reported" it.
The problem with both is they're based on nothing but each other.
It was broadcast on all major networks, but Nielsen had not released viewership totals for Thanksgiving at the time of his tweet and the report. In fact, due to the holiday, official viewership for cable networks haven't been released since Wednesday.
So basically, the entire Thanksgiving thing is completely fabricated. Why does Trump continue to lie about things that no one cares about? Also, why should anyone believe what he says about things that people do care about?
Since TV ratings, in your mind, are evidence of who won the election, who won the viewership battle when Biden and Trump had dueling town halls back in October?
The cities at the center of all this? They're all cities he wasn't projected to be competitive in.
For someone who calls others brainwashed and sheep, it seems you have a tendency to lap up everything those you believe in serve you, regardless of how obviously untrue it may be.
I read about this a few days ago. This guy wanting his money back and the Georgia Republicans who Sydney Powell named as plaintiffs in her lawsuit not wanting to a part of it are probably the two things that best embody the ridiculousness of all this.
Good luck getting the "election fraud" believers to get on board with it though. It's based in fact, and that gets in the way of their feelings. All these Trumpers are the biggest snowflakes of all, which I find to be extremely ironic.
Because...data > emotion...last one i promise....ha! ok, maybe not...they are just too well researched not to share
I have a data question, maybe you can help me.
If there was something more to the Pennsylvania patterns (by the way, much like the second article you posted yesterday, I saw a lot of numbers but no links to official government sites to support) than simply the vast majority of Trump voters voting in person on election day and the vast majority of Biden supporters voting via mail-in, can you give a reasonable explanation as to why Trump led by nearly 700,000 votes at one point?
He won PA by 44,000 in 2016 against a historically unpopular candidate who basically didn't campaign in the state because she figured it was historically blue and locked up.
You really think he had that kind support in a state he has done nothing but disparage since taking office (you know, constantly shitting on Democrat-run cities and states, terrible comments about the city of Philadelphia)?
If there was more to it than just how people cast their votes, can you explain how Trump would go from +10,000 in Michigan in 2016 to +300,000 in 2020?
I've taken a shot at explaining thing in multiple posts in this thread. I'm curious to hear what you think about these big leads Trump amassed.
This is badly needed and both the president AND president-elect agree on it!
Your Pennsylvania question is actually pretty easy to address. As has been stated many times, MIVs are counted after IPVs. So it would be expected that Trump would have an early lead based on everyone's acknowledgement that IPV would favor Trump and MIV would favor Biden.
As far as comparing this election to 2016. PA went to Trump at the margin it did in 2016 because it is a state that typically votes democrat despite being labeled as a battleground state and they took a chance. The enthusiasm for Trump this year in PA was far higher than in 2016. It really wouldn't be a surprise if Trump expanded his votes in PA.
Same thing in Michigan. In 2016, Michigan took a chance. There's no reason other than feelings for Michigan not to be happy with their vote in 2016 and again, have Trump expand his votes.
Statistical anomalies might not be enough evidence or physical enough evidence to make you second guess the election integrity, but it should. I mean, you seem like an intelligent person. I have a hard time believing that you are being honest when you explain how Biden got as many votes as he did. There is no way that many people vote based on feelings.
Sadly, neither side seems to want to govern right now. Trump is absent and Nancy and Mitch don't seem to be any better.
Ghost its a good point I cannot argue with. Hoping Trump will really get behind it though. It would strengthen his legacy, and be a good impetus for a 2024 campaign. It would also serve as a good springboard for Biden when he takes office next month. OFC
The democrats had a bill. The Republicans were the ones that decided it was more important to get ABC on the Supreme Court. Now Trump is golfing and licking his wounds and the Republicans don't want to give any money to the states who have been hemorrhaging funds as a result of the pandemic. Don't blame the Dems.
I understand how he built the early leads, I'm more asking how one can find Trump's early lead legitimate but question Biden's rally. Clearly, there were massive swings in how voters of each party voted. Basically, my argument is if you find it plausible that Trump can lead a historically blue state by 670,000 in-person votes you should be able to find it equally plausible that Biden could lead mail-in voting by 750,000.
What are basing the enthusiasm levels for Trump in Pennsylvania on as compared to 2016?
You mentioned Michigan. Michigan lost 5320 manufacturing jobs in 2019. That is the first net negative manufacturing year in Michigan since 2009. The total manufacturing job growth in the state from 2017-2019 was 2 percent, which is actually lower than the national average.
The statistical anomalies that keep getting brought up are based on ballot reporting. This is not the same thing as ballot-counting or the order in which ballots were cast.
I posted a long post a few days ago explaining why, in my opinion based on some fact, research and interpreting, I felt their was such a massive voter turnout this year. Pull it up and I'll address anything you take issue with.
The last sentence of your post is interesting, in that many people vote based on who they find more likeable. Would you not agree that helped W get elected twice?
Beyond that, though, as I mentioned before Donald Trump's twitter feed may have been the biggest political bullhorn in American history. No matter what his accomplishments were, they were always going to run second place to whatever ridiculous, outlandish and often times offensive things he posted there. That probably made this more of a "feelings," contest than previous elections.
Realistically, though, Donald Trump didn't have enough accomplishments to overcome his neglection of duty when it came to the Coronavirus and how offensive many American found his presence in the Oval Office.