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[smashmouth5]

https://www.businessinsider.com/shi...in-record-ships-stuck-california-ports-2021-8

Let's continue to pay folks not to work. Hey look, we're paying more for everything but no taxes on the little guy.

 

[Mac9192]

Those damn West Indians, think they're better than the rest of em.

 

[KDSTONE]

Very good example of conservatives claiming persecution and of conservative hypocrisy:
99% of y’all don’t grow your own food, build your own homes, or do all the maintenance on your own cars, and you would sue the heck out of the person whose food gave you food poisoning, the contractor whose roof fell in on you, and the mechanic whose work was shoddy. You wouldn’t think of going with unpasteurized milk straight from the farm over FDA-approved pasteurized milk from the store. You wouldn’t think of hiring a contractor without checking certification credentials. You wouldn’t think of going to someone’s unlicensed step-cousin-in-law for car repairs.

Conservatives love the myth of individualism. They love envisioning themselves as these rugged, autonomous, self-sufficient people, so they are scared of losing their fragile illusion of self to communal care and interdependence.

Government regulation exists because letting the free market decide leads to untouchable financial royalty who can exploit the rest of us far worse than a government that — while flawed — is still accessible to “we the people.”

I’ve heard no one on this board call for zero governmental reg in our lives. This straw man is straight out of the cnn msnbc playbook. Take a position of your opponent and shift it way over to the right. Want to reduce the yearly Medicaid budget from a 4 % increase to 3 %? Why do Republicans hate poor people so much?

 

[KDSTONE]

Again, your analogy isn't very good. The movements in the 1950's and 1960's led to the end of segregation, as well as to the Civil Rights Act. Those were historic changes. The movements from the past few years have led to what? A rise in anti-racism literature? Non-stop conversations about racism? Seeing everything through the lens of race is not helpful, or true, or necessary. What would race hustlers do if people actually lived their life and didn't attribute every conceivable slight to racism? Well, for starters, they'd have to find a different job.

I'm not against the betterment of the disenfranchised. I am, however, against enabling victimhood. There's way too much talk about how minorities can't be blamed, essentially saying, "society made them that way." Agency matters, too. And if you're already in low status, you don't want to handicap yourself. The Brookings Institute did a study where they found that only 2% of people that graduate high school, get a job, and wait til they're 21 to get married and have children, find themselves in poverty. Is changing socioeconomic cycles that simple? Perhaps not. But, what happens in one's own home is infinitely more important than the policies made in the White House, or the Governor's House. Encourage people to make good choices, instead of giving them a pass, simply because they see themselves a victim of circumstance. Mentorships IMO are invaluable. They are needed for every person to thrive, and probably more so for those who have trouble finding an encouraging word.

And FWIW, I've averaged over 100 hours of volunteer work for the past 20 years. Does that make me a good person? Not necessarily. But, perhaps just pump the brakes a little on assuming the worst in others.

Only Demrats care about poor people. Sadly,too much of the dem base has been coddled over the years. They won’t tolerate any discussion of personal behavior as it pertains to racial disparities. Quickest way I know to get labeled a racist or Uncle Tom depending on the speakers color

 

[dukedevilz]

Those damn West Indians, think they're better than the rest of em.

West Indian Supremacy Culture is toxic.

 

[Dattier]

Again, your analogy isn't very good. The movements in the 1950's and 1960's led to the end of segregation, as well as to the Civil Rights Act. Those were historic changes. The movements from the past few years have led to what? A rise in anti-racism literature? Non-stop conversations about racism? Seeing everything through the lens of race is not helpful, or true, or necessary. What would race hustlers do if people actually lived their life and didn't attribute every conceivable slight to racism? Well, for starters, they'd have to find a different job.

I'm not against the betterment of the disenfranchised. I am, however, against enabling victimhood. There's way too much talk about how minorities can't be blamed, essentially saying, "society made them that way." Agency matters, too. And if you're already in low status, you don't want to handicap yourself. The Brookings Institute did a study where they found that only 2% of people that graduate high school, get a job, and wait til they're 21 to get married and have children, find themselves in poverty. Is changing socioeconomic cycles that simple? Perhaps not. But, what happens in one's own home is infinitely more important than the policies made in the White House, or the Governor's House. Encourage people to make good choices, instead of giving them a pass, simply because they see themselves a victim of circumstance. Mentorships IMO are invaluable. They are needed for every person to thrive, and probably more so for those who have trouble finding an encouraging word.

And FWIW, I've averaged over 100 hours of volunteer work for the past 20 years. Does that make me a good person? Not necessarily. But, perhaps just pump the brakes a little on assuming the worst in others.

The end of segregation, you say? Real estate redlining provided a work around against school integration until SCOTUS ordered busing in the late ‘70s. Durham’s merger of the separate city and county school systems didn’t happen until 1992. Nationwide, school integration reached its peak in 1991, then after a loosening of the rules, we’ve grown more and more segregated again ever since.

You made an actual reference to “Black on Black crime,” but segregation is over.

 

[Dattier]

I know what the data says. Just trying to gauge what your presuppositions are. I know this is a TLDR post, but hear me out. 89% of Asian children are living with two parents in the home, while that figure is 78.6% for whites, and 41.3% for blacks (2020 U.S. Census Bureau). The stats on single-parent homes are jarring.

-63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
-90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
-85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (CDC)
-80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
-71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
-70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (Dept. of Justice)
-85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)
-75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
-71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U.S. Dept of HHS)

The discrepancies between two-parent and single-parent homes is substantial. Lots and lots of troubled kids come from single-parent homes. And look at the discrepancies between the races. 47.7% higher for Asians and 37.3% higher for whites. Are you going to tell me that doesn’t play a factor in the disparities?

Now, pause and please strongly consider this for a moment. Disparities don’t equal discrimination, just the same way correlation does not equal causation. Disparities don’t necessarily mean that something nefarious is occurring. Disparities are common and natural. For example, Jewish people represent 0.2% of the world, yet they’ve received 22% of all the Nobel prizes. Kenya and Ethiopia have combined for 98 of the fastest 100 marathon times of all time, in spite being only 2% of the world’s population. Even more, the overwhelming majority of those great Kenyan runners come from the same tribe, which represents less than 10% of the nation’s population. People inhabiting cities on the coast comprise 23% of the world’s population – and 53% of world’s GDP. Geographic differences can produce disparities just the same.

Thomas Sowell has outlined one of the more surprising and intriguing disparities. “A study of National Merit Scholarship finalists found that, among finalists from five-child families, the first-born was the finalist more often than the other four siblings combined. If there is not equality of outcomes among people born to the same parents and raised under the same roof, why should equality of outcomes be expected -or assumed- when conditions are not nearly so comparable?"

Furthermore, he notes from a study conducted in the UK in 2003, that the first born received a degree 22% of the time, compared to just 11% for the fourth child – and merely 3% for the tenth child.

There are many theories as to why the oldest child has the most success, but the prevailing argument seems to be that the parents have more time to devote to the one child. As more kids are brought in, their attention is divided. The fact that twins have lower IQ scores, in the range of 5-6 points, than singleton children in the same family, seems to reinforce this idea. Now, if there is a strong correlation between time devoted to kids and achievement in school, then it’s not too hard to believe that black population, with three in five black homes lacking two parents, is starting at a tremendous disadvantage. That is very likely the cause of disparate outcomes, as opposed to the public perception of systemic racism.

So, for the record, 22% of single-parent white homes are in poverty, while just 7% for two-parent black homes. Two-parent home are complete game-changers for kids. So yes, it is significant when you consider how many more African-American are only living with one child. The poverty rate, among households with a female householder and no spouse present, is 29.9% for blacks, 24.3% for whites, and 16.9% for Asians (2020 U.S. Census Bureau). Not a huge difference. It is interesting that the gap between Asians and whites is actually wider than the gap between whites and blacks.

Coleman Hughes, an Ivy League-educated African-American, has noted how second generation West Indian black kids have lower crime rates than African American kids. Both groups should look and talk the same. Further, he adds:


"West Indian blacks would have been virtually indistinguishable from their American counterparts. There is no better demonstration of their superficial likeness than the fact that many prominent black leaders—including Marcus Garvey, Stokely Carmichael, Malcolm X, Harry Belafonte, and Sidney Poitier—were actually of black West Indian, not black American, ancestry. But despite being subjected to the same racist treatment by local whites, second-generation West Indian black families were highly successful, out-earning American black families by 58 percent, and even out-earning the national average income by 15 percent.

The second natural experiment involves comparing the outcomes of black immigrants on the whole with the outcomes of American blacks (i.e., blacks descended from American slaves.) Although black immigrants (and especially their children, who are indistinguishable from American blacks) presumably experience the same ongoing systemic biases that black descendants of American slaves do, nearly all black immigrant groups out-earn American blacks, and many—including Ghanaians, Nigerians, Barbadians, and Trinidadians & Tobagonians—out-earn the national average. Moreover, black immigrants are overrepresented in the Ivy Leagues. Though they comprised only 8 percent of the U.S. black population in the 2010 census, 41 percent of African Americans attending Ivy League schools were of immigrant origin in 1999. Five years later, the New York Times reported a finding by two Harvard professors that as many as two-thirds of Harvard’s black students “were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.

Granted, neither of these natural experiments prove that culture, specifically, caused the divergent outcomes. It’s impossible to disentangle confounding variables like immigrant self-selection, demographic differences, and other unknown factors. But the results of these natural experiments do suggest that the role of systemic bias as a causal factor in the creation of unequal outcomes has been greatly exaggerated. If systemic bias accounted for as much of the variance in success as progressives seem to think it does, then it’s unlikely that groups that experience equal amounts of systemic bias would achieve such wildly different levels of success."


If you can't get the same outcomes among siblings, why should we gripe about disparities among groups with different values, different backgrounds, and different cultures? In a truly free society, equal outcomes will NEVER happen.

Gish gallop fallacy: you’re doing it.

You routinely cite things without connecting dots. Now you’re citing more and more things basically to claim we can’t connect the dots.

We’ve yet to achieve equal opportunity.

It’s pretty sick how you’re using two Black conservatives as authorities while ignoring the great majority of Black people and mountains of evidence that systemic racism is rampant.

You keep complaining about my analogy for the same reason even after I’ve explained why you were wrong. Hammer:nail :: bat:baseball. It isn’t comparing nails to baseballs.

 

[Dattier]

You are a shell of your former self. Used to be that your looney rants were at the very least, coherent. You're all over the place here.

Sorry. I use big words.

 

[KDSTONE]

Gish gallop fallacy: you’re doing it.

You routinely cite things without connecting dots. Now you’re citing more and more things basically to claim we can’t connect the dots.

We’ve yet to achieve equal opportunity.

It’s pretty sick how you’re using two Black conservatives as authorities while ignoring the great majority of Black people and mountains of evidence that systemic racism is rampant.

You keep complaining about my analogy for the same reason even after I’ve explained why you were wrong. Hammer:nail :: bat:baseball. It isn’t comparing nails to baseballs.

Have you always capitalized the b in black or is this a recent thing? Weren’t we told recently to do this to show black unity or some such? Duke devils has presented you with a lot of evidence which you have ignored for all intents and purposes

 

[KDSTONE]

Sorry. I use big words.

Except when you’re at the liquor store when you use a lot of small words like: “Give me the strongest sh— you got!”

 

[GhostOf301]

Sorry. I use big words.

Yeah. I have always given you credit for your arsenal of words. That's my point. You've lost your way. There were no big words in your incoherent rant.

 

[Dattier]

Yeah. I have always given you credit for your arsenal of words. That's my point. You've lost your way. There were no big words in your incoherent rant.

What!? I thought “unlicensed step-cousin-in-law” was gold. And no love for “interdependence”? Come on, that’s next level!

 

[dukedevilz]

Gish gallop fallacy: you’re doing it.

I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to one or two ideas. That way, we can go back-and-forth and drag on a discussion on a single subject for three months.

You routinely cite things without connecting dots. Now you’re citing more and more things basically to claim we can’t connect the dots.

No. The evidence has been cited. And the "dots" have been "connected." You're either being intentionally obtuse, or your bias is clouding your better judgement. Here's a quick summary.

1. Statistical disparity doesn't necessarily mean discrimination
2. Unequal distributions are natural and common
3. First-born children have vastly different outcomes than their younger siblings (dozens of studies on this phenomenon are found on Google Scholar)
4. The most common belief among scholars is this is because the attention of parents is divided with more kids (twins have lower IQs than singleton kids of the same family reinforces this belief)
5. If siblings of the same household cannot achieve equal results, why should we expect similar results among different groups where the conditions aren't so similar?
6. Black families are disproportionately affected by single parent home, meaning less parental interaction (59% of black kids are raised in a house with only one parent)
7. Single-parent homes frequently have devastating results (multiple stats at the top of my post)
8. When looking at the achievement gaps between races, the impact of single parent homes is being grossly understated by many

We’ve yet to achieve equal opportunity.

Okay, I'll bite. How do you define equal opportunity? And how would you know that it's been achieved?

It’s pretty sick how you’re using two Black conservatives as authorities while ignoring the great majority of Black people and mountains of evidence that systemic racism is rampant.

When trying to find logical patterns and conclusions, I'm not interested in an appeal to authority. I'm not interested in public perception. I'm not interested in anecdotal evidence, or emotions. I'm interested in empirical evidence. And there's a hell of a lot of it to confound the flawed narratives that permeate mainstream media.

You keep complaining about my analogy for the same reason even after I’ve explained why you were wrong. Hammer:nail :: bat:baseball. It isn’t comparing nails to baseballs.

Yes, I get it. The magnitude doesn't have to be exactly alike. But, there does need to be similarities in this relationship. The way I see it, the latter group has the bat... and misses the baseball altogether. Whiff. Or put another way, the Civil Rights Movement was a homerun, while the movements of today are a bunt, which has failed to advance any runners. The CRT/BLM/Anti-racism movements have led to increased racial tension, increased tribalism, and increased victimhood. It is a failure. Hence, your analogy isn't good.

 

[KDSTONE]

I'll be sure to keep my thoughts to one or two ideas. That way, we can go back-and-forth and drag on a discussion on a single subject for three months.



No. The evidence has been cited. And the "dots" have been "connected." You're either being intentionally obtuse, or your bias is clouding your better judgement. Here's a quick summary.

1. Statistical disparity doesn't necessarily mean discrimination
2. Unequal distributions are natural and common
3. First-born children have vastly different outcomes than their younger siblings (dozens of studies on this phenomenon are found on Google Scholar)
4. The most common belief among scholars is this is because the attention of parents is divided with more kids (twins have lower IQs than singleton kids of the same family reinforces this belief)
5. If siblings of the same household cannot achieve equal results, why should we expect similar results among different groups where the conditions aren't so similar?
6. Black families are disproportionately affected by single parent home, meaning less parental interaction (59% of black kids are raised in a house with only one parent)
7. Single-parent homes frequently have devastating results (multiple stats at the top of my post)
8. When looking at the achievement gaps between races, the impact of single parent homes is being grossly understated by many




Okay, I'll bite. How do you define equal opportunity? And how would you know that it's been achieved?



When trying to find logical patterns and conclusions, I'm not interested in an appeal to authority. I'm not interested in public perception. I'm not interested in anecdotal evidence, or emotions. I'm interested in empirical evidence. And there's a hell of a lot of it to confound the flawed narratives that permeate mainstream media.



Yes, I get it. The magnitude doesn't have to be exactly alike. But, there does need to be similarities in this relationship. The way I see it, the latter group has the bat... and misses the baseball altogether. Whiff. Or put another way, the Civil Rights Movement was a homerun, while the movements of today are a bunt, which has failed to advance any runners. The CRT/BLM/Anti-racism movements have led to increased racial tension, increased tribalism, and increased victimhood. It is a failure. Hence, your analogy isn't good.

The BLM movement doesn’t even whiff. This would imply they actually swing the bat. They just stand there hoping the umpire is too scared of being called a racist to call a third strike.
The BLM movement has taken one cause police brutality , a minute representation of police / black encounters, and elevated it to systemic racism associated with the Jim Crrow Era Only ideologues on the Left buy this or pretend they do. You can’t fundamentally transform a society unless you first convince people it’s evil and rotten to the core

 

[Mac9192]

The BLM movement doesn’t even whiff. This would imply they actually swing the bat. They just stand there hoping the umpire is too scared of being called a racist to call a third strike.
The BLM movement has taken one cause police brutality , a minute representation of police / black encounters, and elevated it to systemic racism associated with the Jim Crrow Era Only ideologues on the Left buy this or pretend they do. You can’t fundamentally transform a society unless you first convince people it’s evil and rotten to the core

The thing about BLM and Antifa is they have been organized and funded by some power players. We know it’s true. You have to be brain dead to not see this. The media said very little about what they were doing, yet the Charlottesville incident never went away.

What we are witnessing is a decay of America, and it’s been picking up speed for a few years. The hatred for Orange Man was so intense. He blocked/stalled their progressive ideas/movements.

The comment Trump supposedly said is true: It’s not just that they hate me, it’s I am in their way.

 

[toonces11]

The BLM movement doesn’t even whiff. This would imply they actually swing the bat. They just stand there hoping the umpire is too scared of being called a racist to call a third strike.
The BLM movement has taken one cause police brutality , a minute representation of police / black encounters, and elevated it to systemic racism associated with the Jim Crrow Era Only ideologues on the Left buy this or pretend they do. You can’t fundamentally transform a society unless you first convince people it’s evil and rotten to the core

The thing about BLM and Antifa is they have been organized and funded by some power players. We know it’s true. You have to be brain dead to not see this. The media said very little about what they were doing, yet the Charlottesville incident never went away.

What we are witnessing is a decay of America, and it’s been picking up speed for a few years. The hatred for Orange Man was so intense. He blocked/stalled their progressive ideas/movements.

The comment Trump supposedly said is true: It’s not just that they hate me, it’s I am in their way.

If you want to learn how not to run a "movement", BLM will give you the blueprint. Their tenets should make any rational thinking person question if its satire.

 

[Dattier]

“CRT/BLM/Anti-racism movements have led to increased racial tension, increased tribalism, and increased victimhood. It is a failure. Hence, your analogy isn't good.”
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and ‘60s faced all of the same judgments. Today’s movements are still going.

People refused to comply with the Brown v BOE ruling for 30+ years. There are loopholes that continue to be exploited to this day. In that sense, the work of the ‘50s-‘60s Civil Rights Movement never ended. You could argue it failed, based on your logic.

You’re on the wrong side of justice, and in time, history.

 

[Dattier]

Geez. Y’all are recruiting conservatives from the national board to help shout me down. Pretty sad you’d need to increase the odds that were already in your favor to deal with someone y’all routinely call “stupid.”

 

[KDSTONE]

Geez. Y’all are recruiting conservatives from the national board to help shout me down. Pretty sad you’d need to increase the odds that we’re already in your favor to deal with someone y’all routinely call “stupid.”

That’s the thing. We’re not trying to “shout you down” as you artfully put it. Much like our beloved Pres and VP, the more you talk all the better for us. Have you considered hiding in your basement for a few months or traveling to a Central American country searching for “root causes” to a manageable problem that your boss has turned into a full fledged catastrophe?

 

[KDSTONE]

“CRT/BLM/Anti-racism movements have led to increased racial tension, increased tribalism, and increased victimhood. It is a failure. Hence, your analogy isn't good.”
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and ‘60s faced all of the same judgments. Today’s movements are still going.

People refused to comply with the Brown v BOE ruling for 30+ years. There are loopholes that continue to be exploited to this day. In that sense, the work of the ‘50s-‘60s Civil Rights Movement never ended. You could argue it failed, based on your logic.

You’re on the wrong side of justice, and in time, history.

You often mention redlining school districts or lack of compliance with Brown vs Bd of Ed as proof of pernicious lingering racism. As an educator your focus on this area makes sense. BLM is primarily concerned with police violence best I can tell. With a wish list of far left policy goals that would no nothing but further weaken the Black experience in the US: open borders leading to wage stagnation, policies that would further weaken the role of the Black father in the home. As was stated policies that are so ridiculous it almost seems like satire

 

[dukedevilz]

“CRT/BLM/Anti-racism movements have led to increased racial tension, increased tribalism, and increased victimhood. It is a failure. Hence, your analogy isn't good.”
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and ‘60s faced all of the same judgments. Today’s movements are still going.

People refused to comply with the Brown v BOE ruling for 30+ years. There are loopholes that continue to be exploited to this day. In that sense, the work of the ‘50s-‘60s Civil Rights Movement never ended. You could argue it failed, based on your logic.

You’re on the wrong side of justice, and in time, history.

The laws from the previous era were clearly discriminatory and racist. The laws today are neutral.

You're essentially advocating for laws that aren't neutral, giving preferential treatment to certain groups, much like the people from the past who were, to use your words, "on the wrong side of justice." Do you not see the irony in that?

Okay, so you ignored the weightier parts of my message (the connecting dots part). You obviously aren't going to give credence to anything that counters your established narrative. But, tell me this, I asked previously, and I'll ask again. You previously said, "We’ve yet to achieve equal opportunity." What does equal opportunity look like to you? And how would you objectively know that equal opportunity has been achieved?

 

[dukedevilz]

Seems like the "leaders" of this new movement aren't suffering financially. I wonder how their salaries compare to the civil rights leaders of the 1950's and 1960's?

Look at Robin DiAngelo's 7th bulletpoint: Racism must be continually identified, analyzed, and challenged. No-one is ever done. Guess we just gotta keep paying them for the anti-racist/CRT trainings. There's no other way we can combat this racism thing.

 

[smashmouth5]

Watching the Generals testify and it is obvious...
Biden lied...people died.

 

[denverexpat]

Victimhood allows the perceived victim to take the moral high ground in their opinion, use it to be neither accountable nor responsible for the situation they are in. However, what is the return they get for being the victim? Does it improve their situation? Does it further their well being? I think its often used as an excuse to avoid change, which is hard...its much easier to blame circumstances, throw your hands up and say...its not my fault, its " fill in the blank" stopping me. There are ample examples of those that chose not to be a victim and have attained amazing success.

 

[KDSTONE]

Seems like the "leaders" of this new movement aren't suffering financially. I wonder how their salaries compare to the civil rights leaders of the 1950's and 1960's?

Look at Robin DiAngelo's 7th bulletpoint: Racism must be continually identified, analyzed, and challenged. No-one is ever done. Guess we just gotta keep paying them for the anti-racist/CRT trainings. There's no other way we can combat this racism thing.

They’ll never be “done”. From Tawana Brawley to Michael Brown to the Duke lx case they have never been shy about creating hoaxes to further their narrative. It’s only going to get worse

 

[KDSTONE]

Victimhood allows the perceived victim to take the moral high ground in their opinion, use it to be neither accountable nor responsible for the situation they are in. However, what is the return they get for being the victim? Does it improve their situation? Does it further their well being? I think its often used as an excuse to avoid change, which is hard...its much easier to blame circumstances, throw your hands up and say...its not my fault, its " fill in the blank" stopping me. There are ample examples of those that chose not to be a victim and have attained amazing success.

Good take. I’ve often wondered that: even if everything Datt says is true how does obsessing about it actually improve anyone’s life?

 

[Mac9192]

We’ve let it happen again. Let the topic get off and into the wheelhouse of Datt. We need to keep it on this retarded President we have now.
Sadly, we are living in the worst of times. Crisis after crisis. Man made, and orchestrated.
It may be bad on us, but our poor children are being robbed. And these slimy, greedy politicians don’t give a ****. What’s really bad is the dumbest of the herd is leading our once great country.

 

[KDSTONE]

We’ve let it happen again. Let the topic get off and into the wheelhouse of Datt. We need to keep it on this retarded President we have now.
Sadly, we are living in the worst of times. Crisis after crisis. Man made, and orchestrated.
It may be bad on us, but our poor children are being robbed. And these slimy, greedy politicians don’t give a ****. What’s really bad is the dumbest of the herd is leading our once great country.

Top generals contradict Biden’s claim to Stephanopolis in Aug that no one recommended leaving troops in Afghanistan. What a sh— show and it’s getting worse

 

[GhostOf301]

Sure, she is an outlier. But because of the progressive left, she is becoming less of an outlier due to the left going further left and giving this kind of trash ideology a platform in American politics. Yikes. Good job libs.

 

[GhostOf301]

Geez. Y’all are recruiting conservatives from the national board to help shout me down. Pretty sad you’d need to increase the odds that were already in your favor to deal with someone y’all routinely call “stupid.”

Paranoia is real. You are expressing it here.

 

[GhostOf301]

Theater.

 

[timo0402]

Theater.

What a joke. People have got to wake tf up.

 

[GhostOf301]

What a joke. People have got to wake tf up.

I don't know what to think of this. I am hoping it is not real. Maybe one of our esteemed fact checkers can show that this is fake.

 

[timo0402]

I don't know what to think of this. I am hoping it is not real. Maybe one of our esteemed fact checkers can show that this is fake.

I mean there is an entire video of him getting whatever it was he was getting. So it’s not like it’s a fake scenario. The theatre/stage aspect is semantics to me.

The insanity of it is the issue. He’s calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated without explaining what exactly that means or providing any statistical or scientific evidence of that claim, other than “23% of Americans” have not received at least one jab. Yet here he is, still wearing a mask and taking a booster less than a year from his second shot. A vaccine so effective you need a booster within a year and you still need to wear a mask. One so effective that you will need to get boosters every year allegedly according to Pfizer CEO. If the vaccines are so effective why the booster, why the mask, why the social distancing, why the chastising of unvaccinated people? Elephant in the room that people still refuse to answer- if you have already had COVID, why do I need the vaccine.

Meanwhile thousands of workers in healthcare are now losing their jobs because they refuse to take the vaccine, for whatever reason they have. United Airlines about to lay off 600 employees, and the list goes on and on. But this is about health right!?!? Even when statistics across the world are proving that mask mandates and vaccine rates from Australia to Israel to African countries to Europe and the United States….the data shows they don’t work. Yet you’re told shut up and take it or lose your job. Be beaten in the streets in Australia. But yeah, it’s for your health.

 

[GhostOf301]

I mean there is an entire video of him getting whatever it was he was getting. So it’s not like it’s a fake scenario. The theatre/stage aspect is semantics to me.

My thing is, but why? Why create a situation where it causes anyone to question the sincerity of your message? You go on stage to perform, you set up a scene to create an illusion of the truth. It's not a good look IMO. Not that I think he didn't actually get the shot, I don’t care either way. I just don't understand the fake images.

 

[GhostOf301]

The insanity of it is the issue. He’s calling this a pandemic of the unvaccinated without explaining what exactly that means or providing any statistical or scientific evidence of that claim, other than “23% of Americans” have not received at least one jab. Yet here he is, still wearing a mask and taking a booster less than a year from his second shot. A vaccine so effective you need a booster within a year and you still need to wear a mask. One so effective that you will need to get boosters every year allegedly according to Pfizer CEO. If the vaccines are so effective why the booster, why the mask, why the social distancing, why the chastising of unvaccinated people? Elephant in the room that people still refuse to answer- if you have already had COVID, why do I need the vaccine.

Meanwhile thousands of workers in healthcare are now losing their jobs because they refuse to take the vaccine, for whatever reason they have. United Airlines about to lay off 600 employees, and the list goes on and on. But this is about health right!?!? Even when statistics across the world are proving that mask mandates and vaccine rates from Australia to Israel to African countries to Europe and the United States….the data shows they don’t work. Yet you’re told shut up and take it or lose your job. Be beaten in the streets in Australia. But yeah, it’s for your health.

You hit on a lot of good points. Lack of transparency and honesty is a major concern. The bigger concern, though is the number of people willing to blindly accept everything they tell us as the gospel. They can be caught in a thousand lies and been shown to be hypocrites a hundred times and their sheeple will still gutlessly choose to belittle anyone who dares not to comply or has the audacity to question the motives of unlawful government mandates. We choose to follow the recommendations of unelected bureaucrats who have been wrong from the beginning and call that following the science. The government is successfully pinning the vaxxed against the unvaxxed, IMO as a distraction. From what? IDK. The fact that the vaccine does not prevent you from contracting the virus, means that it cannot prevent you from spreading the virus. So it's time for everyone to stop worrying about everyone else and worry about themselves. If the vaccine makes you feel comfortable, by all means, get it. If wearing a mask makes you feel comfortable, by all means, wear it. Hell, WEAR TWO! No one is stopping you.

The laying off of employees is going to cripple our country in a time where we are nearing a crisis level blocking of the supply chain as it is. Which is something this inept administration has yet to address. In fact, a few weeks ago the dumbass PS acted like it wasn't real. Terrible. There's definitely some kind of ulterior motive at play.

 

[GhostOf301]

Jonathan Isaac also makes really good points. Something that is not discussed is the increased risk in adverse reactions to the vaccine if you have natural antibodies. Many doctors have expressed concern for strokes and blood clots in these cases and have been silenced. Israel has produced data that shows a real possibility of weakening nature antibodies by introducing the vaccine to the immune system. In which case would also reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine itself. Truth is, natural antibodies should make you considered more protected than being vaccinated. They really should require you to get tested for the antibodies before pushing a vaccine that is mostly safe, but still not the most safe. Especially for those who have natural immunity.

Here's Isaac's press comments.

 

[denverexpat]

Anecdote - my neighbor had a kidney transplant in the past and contracted a kidney infection...they know what one looks like, was told to go to the ER....once there she was told she had covid even though no test was done, berated for being unvaxxed and made to wait because the nurse on duty was "uncomfortable" with treating an unvaxxed person....btw...she had a kidney infection and no covid....this is just one case....and shows how we are dividing people, and misrepresenting everything...zero trust

 

[Mac9192]

Keep us divided over Covid so the attention isn’t on how inept Biden and Harris are. Covid will not go away. They have done a masterful job at dividing us, and as long as people keep complying, it will only get worse. When people are driving alone in their car wearing a mask, that shows it’s working.

They are succeeding. Our kids are being fu%#+*, and many seem to not care. They are falling behind both mentally and academically.

You can’t tell me this isn’t on purpose. This is sinister plot to gain control, and get more people on the governments tit.

 

[KDSTONE]

Keep us divided over Covid so the attention isn’t on how inept Biden and Harris are. Covid will not go away. They have done a masterful job at dividing us, and as long as people keep complying, it will only get worse. When people are driving alone in their car wearing a mask, that shows it’s working.

They are succeeding. Our kids are being fu%#+*, and many seem to not care. They are falling behind both mentally and academically.

You can’t tell me this isn’t on purpose. This is sinister plot to gain control, and get more people on the governments tit.

Borders on child abuse: for these young children, whose lungs are still developing, to wear masks all day for protection from a virus that has an almost 100 % survival rate for their demo . It’s in Dems best interest to keep everyone stupid and addicted to drugs. More docile and dependent that way. Sinister stuff we’re witnessing here