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Dattier

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On the bold, what are you basing that on? A friend of mine -- the spouse of a recently retired Army officer -- posted about this on social media from a very different perspective; she was pretty appalled and supportive of USAID. I had to look it up to remind me what USAID even was, so I have no deep knowledge of it. Thanks in advance.
@GhostOf301 If you are inclined to reply, and I hope you are, please don't waste your time and my time posting source material like the junk @smashmouth5 is posting. Good grief! You know I'm skeptical. I hope you know that I wouldn't ask if I wasn't going to at least listen. You also surely know that if you're posting from a site that is blatantly partisan, it's not going to convince me.
 
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Datt has issues with people touching his golden calves.
I just said I have no deep knowledge of what USAID is or does. I also posted tentative kudos about the tariff bluffs.

If you're saying one of my golden calves is preferring that people post credible info rather than sensational partisan crap that benefits from further division, I'm unapologetically guilty of that.
 
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@GhostOf301 If you are inclined to reply, and I hope you are, please don't waste your time and my time posting source material like the junk @smashmouth5 is posting. Good grief! You know I'm skeptical. I hope you know that I wouldn't ask if I wasn't going to at least listen. You also surely know that if you're posting from a site that is blatantly partisan, it's not going to convince me.
Well, I already replied. You probably won't like it. And how on earth do you think there is a slight possibility that there would be a bipartisan source for something like this when the left is in complete denial and will fight anything and everything that comes out against their interests? It's impossible not to be partisan. That's what makes it so easy for people to write it off.
 
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At this point, this looks like a huge win for our President.
The chaos of the process, however, is still not good. It scares people and creates uncertainty.
A win is a win, but there are always things to improve on.
It also scared the right people, which is why the Mexican and Canadian govt have folded like cheap tents. The U. S. is the most powerful country on Earth. And now we’re acting like it. No more apology tours, no bumbling around international summits like a blind, three legged cat.
Glad to see you’ve come around to calling him “our President” when your side has been calling him Hitler all this time.
Re: tariffs, they raise prices on imported goods, which shifts demand to domestic, which is the whole point. Funny how the Legacy media is all of a sudden fear mongering over potential rising prices after being silent for four year. Disgusting but not surprising
 
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There are many rabbit holes you can go down. You have a choice to believe or not believe. But I am leaning towards believing it based on the people who are outraged about it.



Either way, USAID needs to be abolished. Our days of causing unrest in other countries by propping up opposition groups and interfering with foreign elections needs to end. And our funding of terrorism needs to be exposed. All through USAID.

Rand Paul is the only one of those I would pause to consider.

If I posted things Gov Walz or Sen Sanders or Warren Buffett said, would you accept that as legit evidence? I would think not. That means you're essentially taking this on faith, not logic.
 

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It also scared the right people, which is why the Mexican and Canadian govt have folded like cheap tents. The U. S. is the most powerful country on Earth. And now we’re acting like it. No more apology tours, no bumbling around international summits like a blind, three legged cat.
Glad to see you’ve come around to calling him “our President” when your side has been calling him Hitler all this time.
Re: tariffs, they raise prices on imported goods, which shifts demand to domestic, which is the whole point. Funny how the Legacy media is all of a sudden fear mongering over potential rising prices after being silent for four year. Disgusting but not surprising
I have consistently called him "our President" and "President Trump" since the very beginning of his first term. I saw the disgusting, racist "not our President" bile spewed by the right throughout President Obama's 2 terms and have not been a hypocrite about it by returning the favor -- as many on the left have -- with President Trump in office. So no, I didn't "come around" to a thing. You're too much of an intellectual coward to have noticed it before.

The stock market has fluctuated quite a bit around the latest tariff news. I think we pay entirely too much attention to the stock market, but I still know that stability is preferable.

If tariffs are as simple and awesome as you imply, why isn't every President and every powerful country using them all the time?

If you're the most powerful country on Earth, you shouldn't have to crow about it. There's a reason you're more likely to get bitten by a chihuahua than by a mastiff.
 

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Rand Paul is the only one of those I would pause to consider.

If I posted things Gov Walz or Sen Sanders or Warren Buffett said, would you accept that as legit evidence? I would think not. That means you're essentially taking this on faith, not logic.
The people who you have your trust in are outraged over USAID being exposed. I would expect your skepticism. I didn't present what I posted as direct evidence. I referred to it as a rabbit hole that you could choose to believe or not. And gave you my reason for choosing to believe it. So I don't know what point you are making with your second paragraph.
 

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And how on earth do you think there is a slight possibility that there would be a bipartisan source for something like this when the left is in complete denial and will fight anything and everything that comes out against their interests? It's impossible not to be partisan. That's what makes it so easy for people to write it off.
You're using my lines here, though the goal with media is nonpartisan, not bipartisan.

I agree that it is impossible to be completely neutral, but that doesn't excuse ethical journalists from trying, and integrity can more than make up for some bias. If you can read all the headlines at a site and determine with certainty what their bias is, it should be a red flag. If you can't confirm it through sites with less inflammatory language, that should also be a red flag.
 

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The people who you have your trust in are outraged over USAID being exposed. I would expect your skepticism. I didn't present what I posted as direct evidence. I referred to it as a rabbit hole that you could choose to believe or not. And gave you my reason for choosing to believe it. So I don't know what point you are making with your second paragraph.
Correction: The people I trust are outraged over USAID being attacked for political reasons. Whether USAID is being attacked or exposed has yet to be determined for me because the people I trust aren't trusted blindly. You can't even have this conversation without twisting language to your opinion. It's like you think the other side are comic book villains admitting out loud that they are evil.

I told you in the last sentence of that post what the point was: you are acting on faith, not logic.
 

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There are many rabbit holes you can go down. You have a choice to believe or not believe. But I am leaning towards believing it based on the people who are outraged about it.



Either way, USAID needs to be abolished. Our days of causing unrest in other countries by propping up opposition groups and interfering with foreign elections needs to end. And our funding of terrorism needs to be exposed. All through USAID


I have consistently called him "our President" and "President Trump" since the very beginning of his first term. I saw the disgusting, racist "not our President" bile spewed by the right throughout President Obama's 2 terms and have not been a hypocrite about it by returning the favor -- as many on the left have -- with President Trump in office. So no, I didn't "come around" to a thing. You're too much of an intellectual coward to have noticed it before.

The stock market has fluctuated quite a bit around the latest tariff news. I think we pay entirely too much attention to the stock market, but I still know that stability is preferable.

If tariffs are as simple and awesome as you imply, why isn't every President and every powerful country using them all the time?

If you're the most powerful country on Earth, you shouldn't have to crow about it. There's a reason you're more likely to get bitten by a chihuahua than by a mastiff.
The stock market always “fluctuates”. The uncertainty caused by Trump’s rhetoric is outweighed by the fear it put into our neighbors.
Didn’t imply that tariffs are always awesome, but that they are helpful as a negotiating tool and to protect domestic manufacturing.
Crowing about your nation’s strength and using it as leverage in negotiating are two vastly different things.
 
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It also has been named The National Newspaper of the year NINE times since 2000 by the Press Awards. Notice you left that part out
I didn't use Wikipedia, but speaking of Wikipedia: "In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information, they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing and sourcing to themselves. Further, a Reuters Institute survey found that 26% of respondents trust their news coverage and 47% do not, ranking them #11 in trust of the major UK news providers."
 

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I didn't use Wikipedia, but speaking of Wikipedia: "In 2017, Wikipedia banned the Daily Mail as an ‘unreliable’ source. When it comes to sourcing information, they use minimal hyperlinked sourcing and sourcing to themselves. Further, a Reuters Institute survey found that 26% of respondents trust their news coverage and 47% do not, ranking them #11 in trust of the major UK news providers."
This is the Left’s problem. They have no problem dismissing some outlets like The Daily Mail, New York Post, as right wing and unreliable , but somehow view the New York Times and CNN as main stream and trustworthy.
Not surprising when the Left controlled the airwaves and social media until recently that their view would seem centrist since it was the view expressed 90% of the time on tv and print.
Thank, Datt for unwittingly reminding everyone of the implicit liberal media bias
 

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This is the Left’s problem. They have no problem dismissing some outlets like The Daily Mail, New York Post, as right wing and unreliable , but somehow view the New York Times and CNN as main stream and trustworthy.
Not surprising when the Left controlled the airwaves and social media until recently that their view would seem centrist since it was the view expressed 90% of the time on tv and print.
Thank, Datt for unwittingly reminding everyone of the implicit liberal media bias
The left is like the guy that sh%# down their leg, yet walks around accusing others of farting.

The country spoke loudly in November. They either don't care, are too stupid, or both.
 

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This is the Left’s problem. They have no problem dismissing some outlets like The Daily Mail, New York Post, as right wing and unreliable , but somehow view the New York Times and CNN as main stream and trustworthy.
Not surprising when the Left controlled the airwaves and social media until recently that their view would seem centrist since it was the view expressed 90% of the time on tv and print.
Thank, Datt for unwittingly reminding everyone of the implicit liberal media bias
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Dattier

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This is the Left’s problem. They have no problem dismissing some outlets like The Daily Mail, New York Post, as right wing and unreliable , but somehow view the New York Times and CNN as main stream and trustworthy.
Not surprising when the Left controlled the airwaves and social media until recently that their view would seem centrist since it was the view expressed 90% of the time on tv and print.
Thank, Datt for unwittingly reminding everyone of the implicit liberal media bias
I've acknowledged that bias um... wittingly. Where we differ is the extent to which it is relevant. I don 't cite CNN or the NYT here because y'all unilaterally dismiss everything they have to say in favor of media whose only reason for existence is to counter the left. Why shouldn't I dismiss your legitimately unreliable sources -- with receipts -- in response to y'all dismissing everything mainstream at a glance? Shoot, if anything, I hold myself to a higher standard than y'all do because I vet what I post beforehand and explain why your sources are complete crap thoroughly.

Without knowing the slightest thing about the British Press Awards, you saw it on the Daily Mail's wiki page and cited it immediately. Now when I point out that Wikipedia has banned the Daily Mail, suddenly it's msm and you can't trust anything it says. :rolleyes:

Among the right's many, many problems is a pitiable lack of self-awareness. You equivocate. You're hypocrites without awareness of your hypocrisy. You don't understand irony or satire because you don't recognize yourself as the target. And here you're trying to criticize me for playing the game better than you by your own rules.
 
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Department of Education is on the chopping block. Get ready for a lot of reeeeeee'ing. EO coming banning biological males from competing in women's sports. So much winning.
It requires Congress to dissolve federal depts. President Trump claimed he was going to get rid of the Dept of Ed in 2016. Despite having GOP control of both Houses of Congress, it never even got out of committee. President Trump knows putting on a show about this wins him points with MAGA and the Heritage Foundation. Congressional Republicans know this is a losing proposition for them. Nothing to see here. Or rather, only something to see. Nothing substantive underneath.

What's "reeeee'ing"? Is it an onomatopoeic representation of liberals freaking out? Well, I can confirm it's definitely happening, but you won't get it from me. This is a nothingburger.
 

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I've acknowledged that bias um... wittingly. Where we differ is the extent to which it is relevant. I don 't cite CNN or the NYT here because y'all unilaterally dismiss everything they have to say in favor of media whose only reason for existence is to counter the left. Why shouldn't I dismiss your legitimately unreliable sources -- with receipts -- in response to y'all dismissing everything mainstream at a glance? Shoot, if anything, I hold myself to a higher standard than y'all do because I vet what I post beforehand and explain why your sources are complete crap thoroughly.

Without knowing the slightest thing about the British Press Awards, you saw it on the Daily Mail's wiki page and cited it immediately. Now when I point out that Wikipedia has banned the Daily Mail, suddenly it's msm and you can't trust anything it says. :rolleyes:

Among the right's many, many problems is a pitiable lack of self-awareness. You equivocate. You're hypocrites without awareness of your hypocrisy. You don't understand irony or satire because you don't recognize yourself as the target. And here you're trying to criticize me for playing the game better than you by your own rules.
You cited Reuters. What’s the difference??
Over use of the word receipts ? Check.
Name calling? Check.
Self righteous pats on the back? Check.
Many of the hallmarks of a Datt post.
 

Dattier

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The left is like the guy that sh%# down their leg, yet walks around accusing others of farting.

The country spoke loudly in November. They either don't care, are too stupid, or both.
I remember the first joke I learned off a Laffy Taffy wrapper.

The country spoke loudly in November, yes. Trump won. Just like when President Obama was first elected, people didn't stop organizing and opposing him just because he won. It's not a lack of caring; it's a lack of agreeing.
There's probably some stupid in there, too, but I don't think you're smart enough to connect those dots. I'm sure you'll get some yucks and atta boys from the other people here who hold all of the exact same opinions as you, though, so you won't have to strain your brain with supporting your takes with anything.
 
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Why not compare Queen's "Bicycle Race" to anything from Beyonce's "Lemonade"?

Oh, that's right. You're going for zingers for people w/ short attention spans, not any actual point.
She is credited with being a co-writer on many of her songs. Her Renaissance album had 72 different songwriters. Co-writer means someone else did the heavy lifting in exchange for a big check and the glam with working with Beyoncé.
She’s the most overrated artist since Michael Jackson. Most of his songs post Thriller were comically bad
 

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I remember the first joke I learned off a Laffy Taffy wrapper.

The country spoke loudly in November, yes. Trump won. Just like when President Obama was first elected, people didn't stop organizing and opposing him just because he won. It's not a lack of caring; it's a lack of agreeing.
There's probably some stupid in there, too, but I don't think you're smart enough to connect those dots. I'm sure you'll get some yucks and atta boys from the other people here who hold all of the exact same opinions as you, though, so you won't have to strain your brain with supporting your takes with anything.
More fifth grade insults. Classy guy
 
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You cited Reuters. What’s the difference??
Over use of the word receipts ? Check.
Name calling? Check.
Self righteous pats on the back? Check.
Many of the hallmarks of a Datt post.
Reuters ranks high for factual reporting and is among the least biased media groups around. That's the difference.
If you're not providing receipts and I am, expect to see it all the time. You might as well predict that peeing on an electric fence will hurt, then do it and think you won something because you were right.
Oh, name-calling? Let me add that you're a snowflake. And in the same span that you loled at mac's claims about the left defecating down their leg and being too stupid? I'll double-down on hypocrite.
We all have certain strengths. I'm aware of mine and I stay in my lane. That's why I haven't offered an opinion on whether USAID should be dissolved or not.