If your 403 b has actually increased by the end of this week, will you be man enough to admit you jumped the gun with your post today? Hell, by this time tomorrow?I deliberately use slang from a decade ago with kids. I am fueled by their groans.
I won't even use abbreviations of curse words because I've literally been suspended for it before. The g-a stands for "give a." It's the same as a pretty common abbreviation that starts with the same 2 letters.
"When there's blood in the streets, buy real estate."
Wild fluctuations put regular people through the gauntlet and consolidates money and power with the people who already have most of it. The income gap gets wider. Using money you already have to make more money isn't actual work and isn't primarily about skill. It's primarily about what you started with that morning. We shouldn't worship that. Not when it's clear that the rising tide is not raising all boats, that bigger and bigger boats end up capsizing other boats.
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Here’s a fun fact. Did you know that your man crush pronounces his name coal- bear while everyone else in his family pronounces it coal-bert. Only a douche would do thatI deliberately use slang from a decade ago with kids. I am fueled by their groans.
I won't even use abbreviations of curse words because I've literally been suspended for it before. The g-a stands for "give a." It's the same as a pretty common abbreviation that starts with the same 2 letters.
"When there's blood in the streets, buy real estate."
Wild fluctuations put regular people through the gauntlet and consolidates money and power with the people who already have most of it. The income gap gets wider. Using money you already have to make more money isn't actual work and isn't primarily about skill. It's primarily about what you started with that morning. We shouldn't worship that. Not when it's clear that the rising tide is not raising all boats, that bigger and bigger boats end up capsizing other boats.
In the most technical sense it's work, but spare me the sob story about stress when others are working 2 full-time jobs and struggling to feed their families. THAT's work, yet we demonize the poor as deserving of their station while deifying the rich for their greed.
The meme was directed at you. Congrats on demonstrating the slightest bit of human compassion once it was pointed out how you lack it.
Uh, no, you didn't. He didn't start issuing warnings until a month ago. He campaigned on fixing everything on day 1 and y'all did not demonstrate the slightest hesitation in cheering that narrative on. Now you're pivoting because that's where he's leading you by the ring in your nose. If this were President Biden, Obama, Harris, or H Clinton, you'd be seething and ranting about what liars they were. When you're that predictably hypocritical and lacking in self-awareness, why would I ever concede a MLing thing to you? There's no telling what you'd turn that into.
You have never demonstrated the slightest respect for what I do and have lied about what I do constantly. Now you want to use it to appeal to my conscience? GTMLO of here.
I'm man enough regardless.
I said I've been paying into it since my 20s. I'm aware that it fluctuates. I'm aware that it will bounce back up tomorrow or next week. And then, if our President continues to rule via chaos and according to whatever whims he has day-to-day, it will yo-yo back and forth for the next 3+ years. That's no way to treat people. He's playing games with people's lives.
We knew it was a childish reaction to a shakeup in the market. One that would likely be corrected soon; we just didn’t know it was today.
After your financial report, you engaged in your usual gloating and I told you sos Not exactly the recipe to elicit compassion
You’re a cunning rascal as Mac said. Attaching your nah nahing to the same post about your college fund so when we reacted negatively you could accuse us of being heartless. Well played, but then again you’ve had years of practice of this self victimization
Even eight year olds discover the world ain’t fair. Some are born richer, smarter, taller, more athletic. You’re the only fifty year old I know who acts like he just figured it out
Re: the meme and your weak *** explanation of it, I’m accused of a lot of things but lack of compassion ain’t one of them. I spend so much money on local homeless that it places a strain on my marriage.
The neighbors complain about the feral cat colony in the woods behind my house that I feed daily. We tnr as many as we can.
You love stereotyping posters you see as “ others” that you don’t know the first dam thing about
Datt, please quit trembling. Yes, any of us that voted for him knew what might happen. He campaigned on tariffs. So we knew what might happen. Your comment about him saying he was fixing everything on day 1 and us doing nothing but cheering him on? You're either very forgetful or a liar. Pick one, because that's been a sore spot for all of us about him. He runs his mouth more than I wish he did.
Compared to the **** show we had to sit through the last four years? I'd take him big mouth and all any day of the week.
And if this were Pres Biden or Obama we’d have never heard about the college fund You hate Trump so much you’re willing to reveal personal financial information on a message board. Weird.
All any of us have here are our words. Congrats on feeding stray cats, I guess.
When what's-his-name tells us about what his grandmother is going through in WNC and throws in digs about liberals, I ignore the latter and express empathy about the former. it's an easy choice to make. You should try it.
You're normally difficult to deal with, but today, you've gone to a new low. You may need a break. Seriously, log off, and do some yoga, meditation, gardening, whatever.
It will be dull without you, but your mental health is more important sir.
You can claim you said it all day. Your criticism of our President is always in the abstract, always while extending the longest leash in presidential history. None of y'all has had the first criticism of tariffs and how wrong they could go. Nothing beyond vague wariness, no actual analysis and criticism. None of y'all has any answer to the things Th0r is posting.
I’ve actually agreed with a a lot of what Thor has posted today, but you tend to ignore that bc your stock in trade is animosity and grandstanding. Bait someone into attacking your post and then play victim the rest of the day.
Stocks had a predictably chaotic reaction to the tariffs but a necessary trading reset was long overdue. Two months in, it seems premature to write off his entire agenda.
It’s become clear that anything short of Trump sucks or ‘Voting for him was the biggest mistake of my life’ Will not be enough for you.
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He’s lashing out bc I ignored his post Friday. This is what they call transference in the world of the permanently befuddled Pretend you’re mad about one thing when you’re really mad about something else
You can't even pretend you care about mental health for half a day. You're already using it as a punchline again, hours after trying to claim you care about people who have different political beliefs.
A new low? That would mean more if you didn't say it every day. President Biden was the worst evereverever... and Harris would be even worse... and Walz would be even worse than her...
You literally said all of those things, mac. And surely the Democratic candidate in '28 will be a bazillion times worse than all of them combined.Honestly I thought it was possible that the tariff threats were primarily a bluff, a negotiating tactic that would yield favorable concessions. Now that it’s gotten to this point, the markets will settle down over time. We’ve had a vegetable in the position of POTUS for four years, and the markets still kept chugging along
Well he kind of has a point Harris is worse than Biden. That’s why she lost to Trump.You can't even pretend you care about mental health for half a day. You're already using it as a punchline again, hours after trying to claim you care about people who have different political beliefs.
A new low? That would mean more if you didn't say it every day. President Biden was the worst evereverever... and Harris would be even worse... and Walz would be even worse than her...
Walz is the worst of all because he won’t even make it through the primaries, neither did Harris for that matter but she was pushed on through because of her non whiteness, too bad she was a dingbat.
In order to use tariffs to bolster American manufacturing and create revenue, you can't just pause and restart them. They need to be in place while negotiating better deals so the turmoil can be relaxed and the markets adapt once stability is restored. All this is doing is delaying the floor without getting an idea of what the ceiling is going to be. Pretty crazy strategy.
As far as the market before today's rebound. Yes, this is what people voted for. Actual action. Markets go up, they go down. If you are dependent on the ups and downs of wall street, you need to spread your eggs out better. We won't really know if it is a winning strategy for at least a year. We're going to have to take some punches.
As far as the market before today's rebound. Yes, this is what people voted for. Actual action. Markets go up, they go down. If you are dependent on the ups and downs of wall street, you need to spread your eggs out better. We won't really know if it is a winning strategy for at least a year. We're going to have to take some punches.
I agree. The people with real money always find a way to benefit, while small investors and businesses deal with the fallout. The uncertainty alone makes it nearly impossible to plan.
I don’t necessarily have an issue with the 10% baseline tariff—there’s a case for it when used strategically. There’s a real policy debate to be had about the percentage of tariffs applied and how they’re implemented. And there’s also a difference between countries that take advantage of us through unfair trade practices and those we rely on for raw materials—treating them the same just creates more problems than it solves.
What we’re seeing now is chaos. The reciprocal tariffs are paused, the baseline stays, and China gets hit with a 125% tariff—something that’s going to land hardest on lower-income Americans who rely on affordable imports.
I’m glad the market bounced, but I’m also annoyed. The pressure’s still there for consumers, and we’ll be right back in the same spot potentially in 90 days. There’s a better way to do this—something measured, consistent, and focused on long-term benefit for the country.
You have been edgier and more prickly than usual. It’s almost like you were pissed when the market rebounded because then you couldn’t play the blame Trump/ I’m a victim card.You can't even pretend you care about mental health for half a day. You're already using it as a punchline again, hours after trying to claim you care about people who have different political beliefs.
A new low? That would mean more if you didn't say it every day. President Biden was the worst evereverever... and Harris would be even worse... and Walz would be even worse than her...
You’re not that crazed are you?
He also embarrassed y'all on the subject of Israel and Palestine.
This would actually be a good time for me to mention that again: How does any right-wing media or any conservative here have any credibility after all the things you've rationalized and made excuses for in defending President Trump?
It will be interesting to see how Walmart adjusts since it seems to sell a high percentage of Chinese products
None of y’all has had the first criticism of tariffs.
You normally spin, but rarely flat out lie, but this is one of those times.
Walmart’s a big test case. Like you said, they rely heavily on Chinese imports, and if costs jump, people on fixed or low incomes will feel it first. No company eats a 125% increase without passing some of it on. Prices will move—it’s just a matter of when and how much.
I’m not convinced the markets will settle after this. It’ll be interesting to see how the next few weeks unfold, but I’d expect countries like those in the EU—and in Southeast Asia like Vietnam and South Korea—to start coordinating a response well before the 90-day pause is up. I don’t think they’ll sit back and wait this out quietly.
I guess my biggest fear in all this is that it ends up boosting China’s influence, not weakening it—because they start to look like the more stable, consistent trading partner. And that’s not a position I’d want to hand them.
The yuan is losing value against the dollar at a rate faster than the dollar is eroding during a fairly historic market crash. They will feel a lot more pressure sooner than we will. Neither of us have a leader that swallows pride. So it will be interesting to see who ends up caving first.
As far as them looking like a more stable trading partner, I think the fact that 4 of the largest SE Asian economies have offered concussions (whether Trump accepts or not) shows that the world knows how important having the U.S. as a partner is. China rips them off as well.
Generally most people want a stronger dollar or yuan. But a weaker yuan helps their manuf sector by making exports less expensive. China has often been accused of keeping the yuan artificially low, of manipulating the exchange rate to help exports. How low is too low for the Chinese I guess is the question.
You have to excerpt that line from what I say directly after it to claim that: "Nothing but vague wariness, no actual analysis and criticism. None of y'all has any answer to the things Th0r is posting."
Back when I was a liar, my Dad used to say that if it wasn't the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... it was a lie. Well, when you excerpt something for it to say something different from what I actually said, it's less than the whole truth. Ergo, you're the liar here.
Walmart has already stated that their suppliers will have to absorb any tariff...they are such a large distributor that they hold all the negotiating cards if you want to sell through them....they are notorious for getting their way...120 day terms etc...its their way or the highway
You say there’s no criticism, then you repeat it the next sentence. And then you call me a liar.
Look, Saturday was a rough day for all of us. We’re all shell shocked to one degree or another. It’s okay to be not okay.
I, personally have already stated that Trump is gambling and that the tariffs would cause some short term pain at the least. But I was going to wait till at least the end of the year to cast judgment. Because we don't know if his strategy will work or not. Forgive me for not letting an uncertain market cause me to freak out over Trump doing exactly what he said he was going to do. If he fails, the midterms will go in the Left’s direction and most likely rule out anyone in the current administration from being the GOP nominee in 2028. If he succeeds, we all succeed.
I don’t dispute that Walmart has leverage. It’s true they asked some of their Chinese suppliers to cut prices by around 10% to help offset tariffs, and China pushed back during a meeting in early March, warning them not to shift the full burden. That was back when most expected a 10% tariff.
Now we’re looking at 125%, which is a completely different situation. China is going to act to protect its local businesses. These suppliers aren’t operating on large margins—they can’t just absorb that. And as big as Walmart is, I don’t think they can strong-arm the Chinese government. It’s naive to think this won’t impact consumers—unless Walmart can completely pull out of the Chinese market, which seems unlikely.
Now we’re looking at 125%, which is a completely different situation. China is going to act to protect its local businesses. These suppliers aren’t operating on large margins—they can’t just absorb that. And as big as Walmart is, I don’t think they can strong-arm the Chinese government. It’s naive to think this won’t impact consumers—unless Walmart can completely pull out of the Chinese market, which seems unlikely.
Seems she doesn’t know how cotton is picked. I’ve worked the tobacco fields from the age of 12 until 18 or right around when farmers started replacing everyone with migrants or using automatic primers that cut out a lot of labor all together. Most of those who work the fields are here on work visa’s. And to suggest that they are working for little to nothing is also a false narrative. They don’t get paid by the hour. They get paid by how much they do. And they would do triple the work in a day than what we used to do in the fields. No one is canceling their visa’s and making Americans hit the fields again. Kids these days would definitely not be able to cut it.
Looking back at yesterday, the bond market sent a pretty clear signal. Yields on the 10-year jumped past 4.5%—the kind of move that usually points to real concern over inflation, debt levels, or broader economic instability. Not long after, the administration suddenly paused the tariffs, and the stock market rallied hard. That kind of sharp turnaround isn’t a normal market reaction—it looked like a direct response to the bond market flashing red.
Politics aside, I don’t think Trump planned to pause the tariffs going into the day. I think the bond market spooked them. And to be clear, this is speculation—but I think we’re watching the early signs of something bigger. When the bond and stock markets start moving in opposite directions like this, it raises questions about what’s driving decisions. Foreign investors will pick up on that quickly. When policy starts to look more reactive than strategic, trust erodes—and capital starts looking for the exits.
We’re also likely heading into a period of real volatility. Even if no more policy changes are made, which is unlikely, the ripple effects are already in motion. It takes time for these shocks to move through supply chains, affect consumer behavior, and show up in earnings reports. We won’t see the full impact right away—but missed projections, sector slowdowns, and broader instability are all real possibilities.
This isn’t 2008, but some of the signals are uncomfortably familiar: mixed messaging, policy whiplash, and markets responding more to politics than fundamentals. That kind of environment doesn’t just rattle day traders—it pushes long-term institutions and foreign capital to rethink their exposure.
If this continues, we’re not just looking at a few rough trading days—we’re looking at a market starting to doubt whether anyone is actually steering with a plan. That kind of uncertainty doesn’t stay contained. It spreads—to investors, institutions, and eventually to the real economy. And once that confidence slips, it’s hard to get back.
Politics aside, I don’t think Trump planned to pause the tariffs going into the day. I think the bond market spooked them. And to be clear, this is speculation—but I think we’re watching the early signs of something bigger. When the bond and stock markets start moving in opposite directions like this, it raises questions about what’s driving decisions. Foreign investors will pick up on that quickly. When policy starts to look more reactive than strategic, trust erodes—and capital starts looking for the exits.
We’re also likely heading into a period of real volatility. Even if no more policy changes are made, which is unlikely, the ripple effects are already in motion. It takes time for these shocks to move through supply chains, affect consumer behavior, and show up in earnings reports. We won’t see the full impact right away—but missed projections, sector slowdowns, and broader instability are all real possibilities.
This isn’t 2008, but some of the signals are uncomfortably familiar: mixed messaging, policy whiplash, and markets responding more to politics than fundamentals. That kind of environment doesn’t just rattle day traders—it pushes long-term institutions and foreign capital to rethink their exposure.
If this continues, we’re not just looking at a few rough trading days—we’re looking at a market starting to doubt whether anyone is actually steering with a plan. That kind of uncertainty doesn’t stay contained. It spreads—to investors, institutions, and eventually to the real economy. And once that confidence slips, it’s hard to get back.
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Trump is basically doing what he said he would do before he was elected. This is also more complex than what a bunch of message board posters can grasp. This is nothing like criticizing the coach of the team we've pulled for for decades. So many moving parts, and even so many elected people here fighting him.
For those that despise him? The media, the elites, Bush, Obama, Biden... they are why Trump is here.
For those that despise him? The media, the elites, Bush, Obama, Biden... they are why Trump is here.
No, he is here because of the people who voted for him. That's on you. I'm well aware of how many Democrats and others on the Left contributed to conditions where President Trump became a viable option, but his actual Presidency is 100% the responsibility of those who voted for him. Don't try to weasel out of it.
Here you go again. Weaseling out. Haha. You've been full of retarded posts lately. What I said is 100% true. Of course people voted for him. We sure as hell didn't need mail in ballots though. It was also more than just racist white people that voted for Trump. He would not have won had he not gotten the percentage of minority votes that he did.
You don't need a masters education to get it, just common sense. Think about it Einstein.