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No disagreement that college campuses lean left. I just think it is a big jump to say that colleges are all about socialist and marxist indoctrination because they offer courses that provide exposure to and education about different cultures, societies and practices.

However, when they actively shut down the opposing arguments and ignore teaching other points of view, it becomes apparent that the goal is not to educate, but to ingrain one philosophy over another.
 
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You have to have your head in the sand to not admit how our educational system is. Goes back to my first post his morning. It's been a well thought out plan by the establishment (elitists) to brainwash people to be hard core liberals. The first is through education. Get them when they're young.
The second, is the media. Spew lies, play portions of the other sides conversations, and play one side to despise the other.

It's more than just a well thought out plan, It's actually very CUNNING, and DANGEROUS.
 
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You just did exactly what you accuse me of. You don't like Owens, Elder, or any black conservative because they don't line up with your views. Read what you said about Owens and Elder, and tell me that's not racism.
The difference between you and me? I admit it without shame that I don't like liberal women, hell I don't like liberal men either. Why? Because I think liberalism is dangerous. I won't apologize either for my views. Color isn't the issue, how one views things is.

I don't like Candace Owens because she won a racial discrimination lawsuit against a school district in 2007, with the help of the NAACP, yet tells you in 2020 that racism is a thing of the past.

I don't like Candace Owens because she ran a website in 2015 in which she wished for the death of the Republican Tea Party and called Donald Trump a racist but in 2020, well here we are.

I don't like Larry Elder because he prescribes to the lifeboat theory when it comes to the affirmative action. I've read a couple of his books and I fundamentally disagree with things he says. Unlike Owens, to my knowledge there is no outright evidence that he is a fraud who's chasing a dollar. I do think he turns the volume way up on his racial rhetoric because he realizes he has a profitable gimmick.

You said there's a difference between you and me. There's a lot more than one.

By the way, do you have any research to back up that statement about conservatives being more generous than liberals? Not saying you're wrong but I'd be interested to read a study on that.

Finally, you ignore the question I asked you about Black men. Have you ever had one say you owe him something because you're white?
 

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However, when they actively shut down the opposing arguments and ignore teaching other points of view, it becomes apparent that the goal is not to educate, but to ingrain one philosophy over another.

Unfortunately that is true, but educators of all leans have a tendency to shut down opposing thought.

I can say that I had a couple conservative Poli Sci professors in college and I knew a few others. Some of them are even still active.
 

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Unfortunately that is true, but educators of all leans have a tendency to shut down opposing thought.

I can say that I had a couple conservative Poli Sci professors in college and I knew a few others. Some of them are even still active.

Maybe - but the recent cases where a professor or faculty stood up and opposed the prevailing point of view of the left social consciousness, have ended with that individual either fired or suspended. Yet, overly zealous rhetoric from the left professors is allowed to go freely to the students
 

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I don't like Candace Owens because she won a racial discrimination lawsuit against a school district in 2007, with the help of the NAACP, yet tells you in 2020 that racism is a thing of the past.

I don't like Candace Owens because she ran a website in 2015 in which she wished for the death of the Republican Tea Party and called Donald Trump a racist but in 2020, well here we are.

I don't like Larry Elder because he prescribes to the lifeboat theory when it comes to the affirmative action. I've read a couple of his books and I fundamentally disagree with things he says. Unlike Owens, to my knowledge there is no outright evidence that he is a fraud who's chasing a dollar. I do think he turns the volume way up on his racial rhetoric because he realizes he has a profitable gimmick.

You said there's a difference between you and me. There's a lot more than one.

By the way, do you have any research to back up that statement about conservatives being more generous than liberals? Not saying you're wrong but I'd be interested to read a study on that.

Finally, you ignore the question I asked you about Black men. Have you ever had one say you owe him something because you're white?
While not conclusive Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren contributed less than one percent of their million dollar incomes to charity while claiming millionaires were screwing the American public.They only contributed more after they started running for President.This from was from a study in 2018 study from Indana study.Sorry do not have the computer skills to link it.The study also concluded that Republicans contributed more than Democrats
 

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I don't like Candace Owens because she won a racial discrimination lawsuit against a school district in 2007, with the help of the NAACP, yet tells you in 2020 that racism is a thing of the past.

I don't like Candace Owens because she ran a website in 2015 in which she wished for the death of the Republican Tea Party and called Donald Trump a racist but in 2020, well here we are.

I don't like Larry Elder because he prescribes to the lifeboat theory when it comes to the affirmative action. I've read a couple of his books and I fundamentally disagree with things he says. Unlike Owens, to my knowledge there is no outright evidence that he is a fraud who's chasing a dollar. I do think he turns the volume way up on his racial rhetoric because he realizes he has a profitable gimmick.

You said there's a difference between you and me. There's a lot more than one.

By the way, do you have any research to back up that statement about conservatives being more generous than liberals? Not saying you're wrong but I'd be interested to read a study on that.

Finally, you ignore the question I asked you about Black men. Have you ever had one say you owe him something because you're white?
The site, or sites where you get your news from are exactly how I've described. Again, you're trying to justify why you don't like conservatives, and black one's. Justifying your reason while brow beating mine. That's your choice. What you're doing is what you've accused me of, even if not in the traditional view. You don't even see that you're doing it. Read what you've said.

As to the answer to this ridiculous statement about me and black men, and me owing them? No, I haven't. I've heard men and women in congress say these things on tv, saw interviews where it has been said, but never in person, no. So, I'm not sure the point you're attempting to make. It's really a weak one too.

I haven't been to Fenway Park either, but I know it exists.
 

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The site, or sites where you get your news from are exactly how I've described. Again, you're trying to justify why you don't like conservatives, and black one's. Justifying your reason while brow beating mine. That's your choice. What you're doing is what you've accused me of, even if not in the traditional view. You don't even see what you're doing.

As to the answer to this ridiculous statement about me and black men, and me owing them? No, I haven't. I've heard men and women in congress say these things on tv, saw interviews where it has been said, but never in person, no. So, I'm not sure the point you're attempting to make. It's really a weak one too.

I haven't been to Fenway Park either, but I know it exists.

So you're telling me Candace Owens didn't win a racial discrimination suit in 2007 with the help of the NAACP?

I'm not even going to ask about Elder because I said I formed my opinions based on books the he wrote himself.

So that's a no, you've never actually heard Blacks in real life tell you what they feel they're owed by you, a white man.
 

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While not conclusive Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren contributed less than one percent of their million dollar incomes to charity while claiming millionaires were screwing the American public.They only contributed more after they started running for President.This from was from a study in 2018 study from Indana study.Sorry do not have the computer skills to link it.The study also concluded that Republicans contributed more than Democrats

Sorry, I should have been more specific with what I asked him. I thought he was talking about everyday average liberal/conservative voters and not politicians and strictly political donors.
 

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So that's a no, you've never actually heard Blacks in real life tell you what they feel they're owed by you, a white man.
Wow. I answered your question. This is your reply. Just because someone hasn’t said something directly to me, this is your reply. What’s your point? Does it make my view less because I haven’t? Do I have to have personally experienced it for it to be true? Because if so, you just eliminated the vast majority of your own base, the same ones that cry about social justice and racism.
You might want to check your hinges. They’re starting to come undone.
 
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Sorry, I should have been more specific with what I asked him. I thought he was talking about everyday average liberal/conservative voters and not politicians and strictly political donors.
This study addressed ordinary citizens giving patterns
 

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Charitable giving reached record highs in the last 3 years. I suspect a direct correlation to how well the economy was doing and more disposable income per household. Its a quick google to see that Republicans give more than Democrats but its only a 4% differential or so. If the tax cuts get repealed, and we dont see economic growth/recovery quickly its logical to expect a decline in giving as there wont be the money to give. Policies have unforeseen consequences, hopefully, this isnt one
 
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Charitable giving reached record highs in the last 3 years. I suspect a direct correlation to how well the economy was doing and more disposable income per household. Its a quick google to see that Republicans give more than Democrats but its only a 4% differential or so. If the tax cuts get repealed, and we dont see economic growth/recovery quickly its logical to expect a decline in giving as there wont be the money to give. Policies have unforeseen consequences, hopefully, this isnt one

Thank you for the insight.
 

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Wow. I answered your question. This is your reply. Just because someone hasn’t said something directly to me, this is your reply. What’s your point? Does it make my view less because I haven’t? Do I have to have personally experienced it for it to be true? Because if so, you just eliminated the vast majority of your own base, the same ones that cry about social justice and racism.
You might want to check your hinges. They’re starting to come undone.

I came at you like that because your stances because they come from such a weird place. It's usually meant in a joking sense, but it seems like you truly gain all your knowledge about people of other races, particularly Blacks, from what you see on TV. It was bad enough when white people let Yo MTV Raps form dictate how they thought about Blacks. Letting Fox News do it is next level bad.
 
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This study addressed ordinary citizens giving patterns
That’s what I’ve heard too. I don’t have the actual stats to verify. Now, if our taxes go up, charitable donations will likely go down.
It’s the stance taken by most conservatives.

As far as paying taxes, I’m not opposed to paying more so teachers, police and fire make a little more money. Some think I’m against education. That’s a lie. I’m against the mindset of many in education.
 

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I came at you like that because your stances because they come from such a weird place. It's usually meant in a joking sense, but it seems like you truly gain all your knowledge about people of other races, particularly Blacks, from what you see on TV. It was bad enough when white people let Yo MTV Raps form dictate how they thought about Blacks. Letting Fox News do it is next level bad.
This is a @Shatterthesky22 type post. You are better than this.
 

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This is a @Shatterthesky22 type post. You are better than this.

All I do is take the words you use and give them back to you.

You paint other groups with these large strokes that make everyone fit into boxes. You've actually said minorities think all white Republicans are racist. That is not true.

If you'll notice, there are a lot of conservatives that have posted in this thread. The only one I have called a racist is the one that has trafficked in stereotypes and made racist statements.

You keep talking about how liberals blame society for their problems and conservatives own their own ****, yet here you are blaming society for you feeling like you're labeled as a racist.
 
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Society includes everyone, both sides - one side labeling the other racist is not society but a particluar subset of it. There is a loud chorus actually blaming "society" for systemic racism without saying exactly who is to blame, in that case it is society that they say is the culprit and not one particular subsection. Big difference
 

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This may be the richest post here. I'll guarantee you my thinking benefits more out here in the world than yours ever will. You keep playing the victim card, equal rights for all spill. You're nothing more than a delusional, far left nut job.
Have a good day @SDevada
Leaving aside this ridiculous fascination you have with a user name on a message board, can you point me to one post where I played the victim? And, I am confused. Are you saying you are against equal rights for all? Isn't that notion enshrined in both the Declaration of Independence and the Federal Constitution?
 
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Unfortunately that is true, but educators of all leans have a tendency to shut down opposing thought.

I can say that I had a couple conservative Poli Sci professors in college and I knew a few others. Some of them are even still active.
How long ago were you in college
 

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Leaving aside this ridiculous fascination you have with a user name on a message board, can you point me to one post where I played the victim? And, I am confused. Are you saying you are against equal rights for all? Isn't that notion enshrined in both the Declaration of Independence and the Federal Constitution?
Conservatives are for equal rights not equal results regardless of the effort you put into something or the ability of the person making the effort.Some people are smarter work harder to get those results and should not be penalized when they succeed
 

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I completed my master's degree a little over decade ago. There was a few years between undergrad and graduate school.
I completed my master's degree a little over decade ago. There was a few years between undergrad and graduate school.
Guessing it is twenty plus years since you were an undergrad.Think you said you were in ur mid forties so I would submit to you that the landscape had dramatically changed since u were in school.When I was in college there was a healthy mix of conservative and liberal professers which created a more balanced coriculum
 

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All I do is take the words you use and give them back to you.

You paint other groups with these large strokes that make everyone fit into boxes. You've actually said minorities think all white Republicans are racist. That is not true.

If you'll notice, there are a lot of conservatives that have posted in this thread. The only one I have called a racist is the one that has trafficked in stereotypes and made racist statements.

You keep talking about how liberals blame society for their problems and conservatives own their own ****, yet here you are blaming society for you feeling like you're labeled as a racist.
I don't like to call people liars, but this post is nothing but a lie. Where have I said that minorities think all white republicans are racist? That's what the liberal media tries to sell. It has worked. When you have the bigger platform to spew garbage, it becomes reality to many. Doesn't make it true though. What I have said, and I stand by that, is liberals call conservatives racist. You really should stop this nonsense. I am no more a racist than you are rational.
You seem to be wrapped up in my view that the left has intentionally kept minorities down. They have, and for one sole purpose, VOTES. I honestly believe the Democratic party is more racist than the Republican party.

I am strong in my convictions. We have too many people acting like victims in our country. Even worse is we have way too many people shouting that bull **** message to certain groups. They believe those lies. Take a problem, and instead of real, honest solutions, find someone to blame for those problems. The media (left) have the bigger bullhorn.
 
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Leaving aside this ridiculous fascination you have with a user name on a message board, can you point me to one post where I played the victim? **And, I am confused.** Are you saying you are against equal rights for all? Isn't that notion enshrined in both the Declaration of Independence and the Federal Constitution?
The victim card is you represent the group that acts like victims. You may not be the person that fired the gun, but you're with the ones that do.
On the part where you say, "And, I am confused." You have no idea how accurate a sentence that was.
 

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I don't like to call people liars, but this post is nothing but a lie. Where have I said that minorities think all white republicans are racist? That's what the liberal media tries to sell. It has worked. When you have the bigger platform to spew garbage, it becomes reality to many. Doesn't make it true though. What I have said, and I stand by that, is liberals call conservatives racist. You really should stop this nonsense. I am no more a racist than you are rational.
You seem to be wrapped up in my view that the left has intentionally kept minorities down. They have, and for one sole purpose, VOTES. I honestly believe the Democratic party is more racist than the Republican party.

I am strong in my convictions. We have too many people acting like victims in our country. Even worse is we have way too many people shouting that bull **** message to certain groups. They believe those lies. Take a problem, and instead of real, honest solutions, find someone to blame for those problems. The media (left) have the bigger bullhorn.

One page back, in the first paragraphs you stated conservatives get called racist simply for being white and Republicans.

Later you went into your thing about women and minorities being the worst and minorities telling you that they owe you something because you're white.

Yes, I did combine the two. If you meant others beside just minorities think all white Republicans are racist, I apologize for misunderstanding your point.
 

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One page back, in the first paragraphs you stated conservatives get called racist simply for being white and Republicans.

Later you went into your thing about women and minorities being the worst and minorities telling you that they owe you something because you're white.

Yes, I did combine the two. If you meant others beside just minorities think all white Republicans are racist, I apologize for misunderstanding your point.
You have misunderstood. Yes, I have said conservatives do get called racist for being white and Republicans. By the left. I've never said women and minorities are the worst. Go back and read what I have said. I've said women liberals are the worst. It's like you get to reading what I say, and get upset before reading it all.

It's LIBERALS that are the problem. I've been very clear that color isn't the issue. Liberals are spreading hate, and they point the finger to the conservatives, which happens to be dominant white males.
 
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Generally, conservatives are good people. They work for a living, provide for their families, and mind their own business. It’s also why you don’t find them protesting, rioting, burning stuff down...through it all, they’ve been told their racist because they are white. It doesn’t matter if they vote, or support the few black conservatives out there. They are still branded it if their private lives say otherwise. Because they’re white and republicans, that’s why.

Liberals are a more angry type of person. They’ve been institutionalized. Many are in education, or government work.

How, or why does it all work this way? The Leftist (establishment) are so crooked, and filled with hate. You start to win elections by doing two very important things, You plant them in the MEDIA and EDUCATION. Two of the biggest platforms, where they get the most attention, and can INDOCTRINATE.
They don’t want a level, and fair opportunity for all. They really care about no one but making people see things their way. Minorities and Women are the best examples. Shout that you care for them, that they’ve been done wrong, that the white man owes them. You don’t see happy liberal women, and things aren’t better for minorities, and they’ve been voting democrat for decades. Find a problem, and find who to blame for those problems. Don’t offer real solutions. Try to keep their eyes closed. That’s how you win elections.

In a nutshell, what the left does best:
PROJECT
@Jtre ---- This is my post from this morning, if this is the one you're referring to. Read it again, please. I think I clearly say where the problem is.
 

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@Jtre ---- This is my post from this morning, if this is the one you're referring to. Read it again, please. I think I clearly say where the problem is.

These are the parts I was referring to:

"through it all, they’ve been told their racist because they are white. It doesn’t matter if they vote, or support the few black conservatives out there. They are still branded it if their private lives say otherwise. Because they’re white and republicans, that’s why."

"Minorities and Women are the best examples. Shout that you care for them, that they’ve been done wrong, that the white man owes them."

Did I mistakenly exchange a couple words like saying "worst," when you said, "best example?" Yes, I did.

I also assumed you were talking specifically about minorities, based on later in the post and the feelings you previously expressed.

Understand, though, if you express the same type of thoughts about minorities in the real world that you express here, you're not getting branded a racist because you're white and conservative. You're getting that because you say racist things.

Seriously you should stop assuming all these things about Black folks when it's seems you don't actually know any.
 

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These are the parts I was referring to:

"through it all, they’ve been told their racist because they are white. It doesn’t matter if they vote, or support the few black conservatives out there. They are still branded it if their private lives say otherwise. Because they’re white and republicans, that’s why."

"Minorities and Women are the best examples. Shout that you care for them, that they’ve been done wrong, that the white man owes them."

Did I mistakenly exchange a couple words like saying "worst," when you said, "best example?" Yes, I did.

I also assumed you were talking specifically about minorities, based on later in the post and the feelings you previously expressed.

Understand, though, if you express the same type of thoughts about minorities in the real world that you express here, you're not getting branded a racist because you're white and conservative. You're getting that because you say racist things.

Seriously you should stop assuming all these things about Black folks when it's seems you don't actually know any.
AGAIN. I AM BLAMING THIS ON A CUNNING MESSAGE SOLD TO WOMEN AND BLACKS, BY LIBERALS.

Why is this so hard for you to see? Yes, I blame LIBERALS. They are the ones guilty of spreading lies.
Women and minorities believe what they’re being told, even if it is lies.
 

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The victim card is you represent the group that acts like victims. You may not be the person that fired the gun, but you're with the ones that do.
On the part where you say, "And, I am confused." You have no idea how accurate a sentence that was.
And even more confused by this answer.
 

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AGAIN. I AM BLAMING THIS ON A CUNNING MESSAGE SOLD TO WOMEN AND BLACKS, BY LIBERALS.

Why is this so hard for you to see? Yes, I blame LIBERALS. They are the ones guilty of spreading lies.
Women and minorities believe what they’re being told, even if it is lies.

You can blame whoever you choose, but it still sounds like you're still saying the result is minorities thinking all white Republicans are racist.

Why don't you just start by admitting that all minorities don't think all white Republicans are racist?
 

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You can blame whoever you choose, but it still sounds like you're still saying the result is minorities thinking all white Republicans are racist.

Why don't you just start by admitting that all minorities don't think all white Republicans are racist?
For the love of God, man, Really? Why do I need to admit something that I haven't said? Or are you just intentionally being this obtuse?
Minorities aren't the problem. Women aren't the problem.

**********The problem is.....................LIBERALS.**********

Liberals won't admit the obvious, that just because a person is white and republican doesn't make them racist.
Why won't they? Because it hurts their chances to be elected.
It really is this simple. Don't let your education ruin your ability to learn.
 

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You can blame whoever you choose, but it still sounds like you're still saying the result is minorities thinking all white Republicans are racist.

Why don't you just start by admitting that all minorities don't think all white Republicans are racist?
Much like liberals misquote Trump Mac never said all minorities think white Republicans are racist.He is saying that the Democratic party as a whole thinks that.Hilary with her basket of deplorables,Michelle Obama saying 70 million Americans voted for hated and lies,and last but not least practically every main stream stream media outlet claiming that Trump supporters are ignorant race haters
 
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Much like liberals misquote Trump Mac never said all minorities think white Republicans are racist.He is saying that the Democratic party as a whole thinks that.Hilary with her basket of deplorables,Michelle Obama saying 70 million Americans voted for hated and lies,and last but not least practically every main stream stream media outlet claiming that Trump supporters are ignorant race haters
Thank you Topps. Very well said. A shame I could only give your post 1 like.
 

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Much like liberals misquote Trump Mac never said all minorities think white Republicans are racist.He is saying that the Democratic party as a whole thinks that.Hilary with her basket of deplorables,Michelle Obama saying 70 million Americans voted for hated and lies,and last but not least practically every main stream stream media outlet claiming that Trump supporters are ignorant race haters
here is the actual Obama tweet: Let’s remember that tens of millions of people voted for the status quo, even when it meant supporting lies, hate, chaos, and division. We’ve got a lot of work to do to reach out to these folks in the years ahead and connect with them on what unites us.
and she very accurately summed up the Trump presidency.
 
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here is the actual Obama tweet: Let’s remember that tens of millions of people voted for the status quo, even when it meant supporting lies, hate, chaos, and division. We’ve got a lot of work to do to reach out to these folks in the years ahead and connect with them on what unites us.
and she very accurately summed up the Trump presidency.
As I said if u voted for Trump you supported lies,hate etc .That is the party of unity espoused by someone who had said she was never proud of America good example of someone wanting to end division and strife
 

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As I said if u voted for Trump you supported lies,hate etc .That is the party of unity espoused by someone who had said she was never proud of America good example of someone wanting to end division and strife
I just think if you are going to complain about how Trump and Mac are misquoted, you should not commit the same sin. Her quote is different from yours. I realize the differences are subtle but they are differences and the tenor or her tweet is that it is incumbent upon those of us who rejected the status quo to try to reach out so we can all find common ground. In other words, she is advocating unity.
 
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