I am not sure. I know that he took Hillary's accusations and ran with them for a lot longer than he should have. I didn't support his obsession on this, just like I don't support a lot more of his obsessions. Is there context behind your question? Relevance to the post you quoted?
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I think you’re full of ****, that’s what. I said Mark Burns may be crazy, but he isn’t the only one who has made claims that Antifa was there. Look it some videos from Wednesday. You guys are the ones who’ve been denying they took part in going inside the Capitol. Instead, you discredit one of the witnesses, and then start second guessing the story of laptops being taken.
Have you given any thought as it being possible Nancy Pelosi (the old hag) has things on her laptop that are incriminating, and is putting a rush on the impeachment?
I can’t answer why Trump didn’t seize them earlier. You got me there Rev.
The election was rigged. Italy had a power outage last night. The Vatican was in the dark. I’ve also heard either the ambassador to Italy or President of Italy was arrested. Why? Read this part slowly if you need to. All over switching votes on our election to Biden. The company involved is named after Leonardo Divinci.
1. I didn't second-guess that laptops were stolen. I second-guessed that the theft was performed by U.S. Military Special Forces.
2. You keep saying Mark Burns is crazy. Neither of us know if that is true. Why don't you say the truth, which is Mark Burns is a documented, proven and admitted liar who built his "church," on said lies and who has seen great financial advancement due to his willingness to sing and dance for Donald Trump?
3. If the laptops are still gone, what do the laptops have to do with impeachment? This one isn't rhetorical, this is an actual question. Is she using impeachment as a bargaining chip to get them back? By the way, as the head of the Federal government with a 24/7 IT team, Trump could have conducted the confiscation scenario I laid out literally at any time. He didn't need the military to carry out a strike on the House of Congress to seize laptops belonging to the federal government.
4. Were Antifa and the U.S. Special Forces collaborating on the Capitol Hill attack or did the convergence of both parties on the building just occur by coincidence?
5. I mentioned the hacking of Leonardo earlier in this thread with two separate articles I posted. D'Elio's "admission," apparently came once he was charged with crimes related to the hacking of Leonardo. Are you saying Leonardo rigged the 2020 election and D'Elio was hacking Leonardo to expose the company's actions? If that is the case, why didn't D'Elio immediately bring his data and findings to, well, anybody, instead of waiting to expose only words once he was criminally charged?
The truth is out there, right?
You are not seriously comparing organized protests over the unnecessary death of a black man by police officers to people breaking windows to get into THE CAPITOL Building to keep Congress from its constitutional duty to certify the election are you? Your question about their purpose, I know is rhetorical. It is also completely ridiculous. That the best you got?
And, whether or not people caused harm, they were there at the urging of hopefully the soon to be impeached President to take steps to keep Biden from being President. When you start checking your sources and self-editing so you stop posting unsupportable drivel, we can talk about who is gaslighting whom. Until then, you guys are nowhere near part of the solution. You are part of the problem. Democracy has been under attack for the last four years and that is apparently ok with about 74 million Americans. Really sad look for our country.
You mentioned race being used as a tool of division in that post. In an earlier one you blasted people for injecting race into the discussion about the January 6th attack.
I would argue that since Donald Trump began his political career (and built a good portion of his base) with a years-long racially-charged conspiracy theory that he promised to deliver on but never did, it is impossible to "inject" race into discussions pertaining to his administration as the administration itself is rooted in racism, or at the very least division created by racial differences.
No answers. No rebuttal. Apparently, there is also no substance to the stories you spin.
This is sensationalism at best. Questioning his citizenship was ignorant and below someone with his influence. Tying it to race is by opinion and presumption. And still has no relevance to the post that you quoted as my point had nothing to do with Trump.
This posts involving race that set you off were based on how Trump supporters were treated during the Capitol Hill riot versus speculation of how Blacks would have been treated if they broke carried out the same actions in the same location while protesting police brutality. Trump was definitely a factor in the original discussion.
You said race playing a part in the conspiracy theory about Obama's citizenship is presumptive. Fine. Is it a fair presumption?
How many other presidents or presidential candidates have had the validity of their citizenship questioned? Is it worth mentioning that he later questioned the ability of Kamala Harris to hold the office of president, if Biden should die or be removed, due to her parents not being United States citizens?
Like it or not, the two Black individuals who have been elected on the nation's highest political ticket have both had suggestions thrown out and harped on by Donald Trump that they might not be eligible to be president, despite significant evidence to the contrary.
Apparently the conspiracy got its start with an Illinois politician named Andy Martin. Martin originally claimed that Barack Obama was a "closet Muslim."
There are multiple articles and fact-checks out there which state that, while thrown about by some supporters, there was no public use of the birther conspiracy by either Clinton or her campaign.
That said, as Hillary Clinton saw the 2008 nomination slipping away, I would not be shocked to learn the campaign attempted to float or amplify such rumors. Desperate times and all that.
John McCain. The guy who ran against Obama. His citizenship was questioned. Remember?
In 1967 a large armed group of black panthers "stormed" the capitol. No one was shot. I understand that there are differences. Because racism wasn't prevalent in 1967 and black people are far more likely to be shot by police in 2021 than they were in 1967.
In 2018 a large group of angry protesters approached senators and yelled hateful and vile things at them while they entered the capitol building and on elevators in the capitol building on their way to a certain confirmation hearing. They filled the halls during this confirmation hearing and could be heard live on television with the entire world watching screaming and pounding on the doors while this hearing was going on. Not one time did we hear that had these protesters been black... blah blah blah.
Here you go again Rev, here you go again. I rebutted what you said. You choose to come back with saying I said Mark Burns was crazy. I said he may be crazy, but that his story was backed up by multiple people, including the General. Then you come back with wondering why Trump hasn’t done anything before now in relation to seizing laptops. I’ll tell you why, but you will not believe me. He has let this play out, to find out, and for America to find out which of the politicians are good, and which are part of the establishment. The “swamp” is deeper and wider than most thought, and democrats aren’t the only ones corrupt. We know now. It also is worldwide. This sounds crazy to you, I’m sure, but it’s true.
I am right. Why do you think they’ve censored him, and many others? It’s because they don’t want the truth to be revealed. They are scared of what Trump knows, and don’t want it to come out.
Ok...Antifa infiltrated Trump supporters, Qanon, and white nationalists....3 of those groups were clued into what was going on...one group realized what was going on and was like hell yeah....officers were attacked by all...damage done by all...entering the building by all....still what happened happened and Obama wore a tan suit once
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Your explanation for why Trump did not seize those laptops is preposterous. How precisely did Trump expect this to "playout" to find out which politicians were "good"? This is farfetched, even for you.
No one is backing up anything Mark Burns said with actual proof or evidence. All you have to do is research the individuals in the three people in the pictures of the supposed Antifa activists who infiltrated the MAGA rally and you will find they are long-time Trump supporters / QAnon followers. You can look up many of the people on Twitter who have been arrested and find they are Trump supporters / QAnon followers. That is either who these people are, or they are playing very long (years long, in fact) games.
If the most powerful man in the world has real proof corruption, specifically around election-rigging, why doesn't he just release statements, conduct press conferences or actually provide the evidence in one of the 62 court appearances his campaign has had?
Instead all he has done is tweet about of easily debunked claims.
You are absolutely right, however, about one thing. What you type does sound crazy. I wish you could switch the topic and the players from your posts with something you weren't passionate about and then read it out loud.
Every point you try is something that has no proof attached to it and simply spirals into something else that has no proof. It's a neverending circle of insanity.
1. You are correct about McCain in one sense. The question was whether a child born to two American citizens in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 is a natural born citizen.
That is not remotely the same as claiming an American citizen (Black man) born in Hawaii lied about not being born in Kenya.
2. That was roughly 25 Black Panthers who legally entered the state Capitol building in California and surrendered their weapons upon request.
There is no comparison in that example and what happened this past Wednesday in DC.
3. Again, there is no comparison between what happened on Wednesday and what happened during the Kavannaugh hearings.
That said, (white) people are questioning how different the response would have been if the people attacking Capitol Hill had been Black is a combination of seeing multiple times in recent months how officers deal with Blacks they see as threatening to and how the sitting President deals with protesters (specifically Black ones and individuals protesting unjust treatment of Blacks) who aren't sympathetic to him.
5 seconds of googling brings up articles from a variety of sources that make clear that you are the one full of ****.
For a guy who has consistently made inaccurate posts, you might not want to throw that term around.
Yeah they were definitely there to have a nice chat over hot tea and crumpets with Congress.
I must have missed where any of those were used in the capitol. Listen, there is no defense for those people who took part in the chaos. I am not trying to say that there were not terrible people there. There were a lot of terrible people. I am just fighting back against the ridiculous narrative that this was anything more than a bunch of morons who stomped on the greatest symbol of democracy by vandalizing the capitol and violently attacking peace officers. It was not a coup attempt. That is a dumb narrative being pushed by the same media and the same politicians who have been dividing the country for the past decade. The last 4 years especially.
I have said that we are living in a movie. But some of the stuff in that article makes me think we're living in a damn video game.
thanks for posting. For those at all wondering about why I am so anti-Trump and feel like his base has become the enemy, it is because he encouraged all these various groups discussed in the article with his dog whistles. The groups discussed are not Antifa infiltrators, they are what Trump has wrought. And, it is amazing to those of us who have seen this from the start, that so many people have either minimized it or denied it altogether. I fear for the future of our country.
I was hoping that 2021 would bring forth more original thoughts and less piggybacking of people's useless twitter opinions.
I truly don't know where we go from here. My hope is that we find some common ground as a country, and soon. People need to be held responsible for their actions, this includes Trump and all his cohorts in congress who pushed for this insurrection.
So, I repost things that I agree with and have thought/said, that's piggybacking?
When 90% of your posts are tweets or redundant articles, yes. It's not just you and it's not just this thread. It just is what it is nowadays.
We live our lives like we always do. Common ground will never be found when you have a large percentage of people who place blame fully on others (both sides). And calling for people to be held responsible for their actions is disingenuous when you only care about one side being held responsible for their actions.
But I share your hope.
Well, only one side is responsible for the insurrection on the capitol. I also think those who ransacked stores, burned down businesses, and attack cops during the summer are guilty too. Peaceful forms of protests are 100% okay in my opinion. What went down last Wednesday was more than just a black eye on our history. The calls for an armed march next week on all 50 state capitols and on Washington is alarming. My hope is that these people are not ignored. They are different from the protesters over the summer. These are people looking to destroy our democracy based on baseless claims and outright lies.