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[Fourteen44]

Face masks: what the data say

The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?

www.nature.com

“Did not seem to....”

“supports....”

“suggests....”

Wow, what clear, confirmatory, lab (and civilian-tested) science

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

You never showed the data behind your claim that vaccinated people can catch and spread the virus.

I was referring to pre-vaccine time

 

[timo0402]

I had asked for your sources for your claims and when you told me that you could not be bothered and I should check myself, I went ahead and pointed out some of the flaws in your argument. I am not sure what you don't understand. Your claims about Fauci being so smart that he could play the game through seven administrations don't make sense in like of what happened during Trump's presidency. I guess his political acumen left him? Or maybe he believed strongly in what he was saying and refused to enter the Potemkin village that was what the Trump presidency became. And, he was not the only one who advocated for masks. There are hundreds of epidemiologists who agree with him. I also took a look at the MIT studies and the one on indoor transmission was criticized for failing to correctly take into account how the disease is transmitted. Interestingly, though, the MIT scientists talked about how hard it was to get ahead of the virus as they were constantly learning more. Perhaps that is why Fauci has changed his mind and his advice. As a good scientist, he has continued to learn more and has adjusted accordingly.
I also have to stay that I am completely baffled by the incredible anger around wearing masks, anger that is apparent in your posts. It is one more piece of clothing that is easy to buy and easy to wear and yet people carried on like they were being asked to sacrifice their first born. It is not as if the government is forcing you to carry a pregnancy to term whether you want it or not.

Pardon my delay, been busy. Lot to unpack here and apparently the mask discussion makes me “incredibly angry.” I had no idea until you just told me.

Do you think you need to wear masks if you’ve been vaccinated? That’s my entire point. That’s literally all i said. Fauci is a con artist and if you have been vaccinated you should not need masks.

The other examples are how arbitrary the “rules” or “guidelines” are. Sporting events and restaurants were examples i used. But think about how stupid those both are. You’ve got guys sweating all over each other, pulling their masks up and down all game long. Masks that haven’t been washed, aren’t effective and people have no clue how to wear them in sanitary fashion. All that before even asking the question of, do they work at all.

And Fauci hasn’t just changed his mind. He’s been wrong or in some cases he admittedly deceived people. Why did the cdc go from 6 feet of social distancing to 3 feet? What does the virus suddenly stop at 2.5 feet now but was at 5.5 feet before? Why did he say no masks, then masks, then two masks won’t change anything, then two masks makes sense. The amount Of time it would take for me to list all of his changes in timelines would take me until next Mother’s Day, the same Day he said we should be back to normal now. He pushes vaccines but won’t push any other treatments that other doctors say will work just fine. I don’t care enough to keep going but I’ll stick with the only two statements i made.

1. Fauci is a fraud and con artist.
2. If you are vaxed, why do you need a mask?

 

[timo0402]

I agree a lot with what you said about the mask wearing and situations....but to the wearing on the sideline and spacing the bench.....everybody on the bench don't partake in the game (trainers, coaches, and etc...) and come in contact with those from the other side, but they do come in contact with players that interact with the other side on the court and come back to the bench.....fair?

I hear what you’re saying, i think my issue is people don’t wear them correctly, if they are, and i don’t believe masks work nearly as much as people want to believe. Especially the ones you’re seeing people wear around, touching them left and right, not washing them, etc.

 

[Crest is Garbage]

 

[Fourteen44]

1. "Why should I get vaccinated?"
2. "To show you care about other people."
3. "But if you're vaccinated, how is my lack of vaccination going to harm you?"
4. "Because even if you're vaccinated, you can still get and spread the disease."

Return to Step 1.

Repeat forever.

 

[durhamgolfer]

You're taking a conversation about what a poster said his doctors told him regarding covid and masks and diverting it into abortion. That is insanely stupid even for a lib's standard. There is no link between the topics. It's just you inserting your stupid opinions on abortion. If you want to talk about abortion, try it. Maybe someone will engage. But don't insert it into a topic that's not even remotely close to the same. Btw. I think you're opinion sucks. Imagine being a woman and being forced to carry a fetus for 9 months? What a trashy thing to say. Zip your pants and close your legs. How about that? There are so many preventative measures and options. That's the extent of my engagement on this stupid topic.

You do know women don’t grow babies on their own, right?

 

[GhostOf301]

You do know women don’t grow babies on their own, right?

Wow. Third time quoting this post. Anyways, you do know that a pregnancy involves a man too, right? **** his feelings though. Zip your pants and close your legs.

 

[durhamgolfer]

Wow. Third time quoting this post. Anyways, you do know that a pregnancy involves a man too, right? **** his feelings though. Zip your pants and close your legs.

I believe that was my point. Are you telling your sons the same thing: keep it in your pants and your pants zipped? Maybe no one should have sex at all if the ultimate aim is not pregnancy.

 

[durhamgolfer]

Pardon my delay, been busy. Lot to unpack here and apparently the mask discussion makes me “incredibly angry.” I had no idea until you just told me.

Do you think you need to wear masks if you’ve been vaccinated? That’s my entire point. That’s literally all i said. Fauci is a con artist and if you have been vaccinated you should not need masks.

The other examples are how arbitrary the “rules” or “guidelines” are. Sporting events and restaurants were examples i used. But think about how stupid those both are. You’ve got guys sweating all over each other, pulling their masks up and down all game long. Masks that haven’t been washed, aren’t effective and people have no clue how to wear them in sanitary fashion. All that before even asking the question of, do they work at all.

And Fauci hasn’t just changed his mind. He’s been wrong or in some cases he admittedly deceived people. Why did the cdc go from 6 feet of social distancing to 3 feet? What does the virus suddenly stop at 2.5 feet now but was at 5.5 feet before? Why did he say no masks, then masks, then two masks won’t change anything, then two masks makes sense. The amount Of time it would take for me to list all of his changes in timelines would take me until next Mother’s Day, the same Day he said we should be back to normal now. He pushes vaccines but won’t push any other treatments that other doctors say will work just fine. I don’t care enough to keep going but I’ll stick with the only two statements i made.

1. Fauci is a fraud and con artist.
2. If you are vaxed, why do you need a mask?

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/...you-shouldnt-stop-wearing-your-face-mask-yet/

And this was not the only web site that had this. As I pointed out before, a lot of experts disagree with the CDC and are still pushing masks and social distancing. If Fauci is such a fraud how is it that he is in agreement with so many experts?

 

[smashmouth5]

I believe that was my point. Are you telling your sons the same thing: keep it in your pants and your pants zipped? Maybe no one should have sex at all if the ultimate aim is not pregnancy.

Sure do. You need to know the responsibility and life changing action these choices can make. Men shouldn't treat women like ink wells...just there to take a dip.

 

[timo0402]

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/...you-shouldnt-stop-wearing-your-face-mask-yet/

And this was not the only web site that had this. As I pointed out before, a lot of experts disagree with the CDC and are still pushing masks and social distancing. If Fauci is such a fraud how is it that he is in agreement with so many experts?

This opinion piece is from early March. They don’t give any scientific reasonings but merely giving you absolute worst case scenarios and trying to use them as justification. What i find comical is the part where it says vaccines are only 94-95% effective haha. So a virus that i have a 99.5%+ chance of survival, and i have a 95% chance of not getting it bc I’m vaxed, means i can’t live my normal life?

If people want to continue to live in fear, by all means. But we’ve now vaccinated some 100M+ people fully and however tens of millions more that actually already have immunity from having had the virus.

If you wanna rock a mask, knock yourself out. I’ve got no problem with people who make that choice.

 

[Crest is Garbage]

I believe that was my point. Are you telling your sons the same thing: keep it in your pants and your pants zipped? Maybe no one should have sex at all if the ultimate aim is not pregnancy.

Honestly, I don’t know why you even try with these people. They don’t debate in good faith and make moronic arguments.

I commend you for your perseverance.

 

[GhostOf301]

I believe that was my point. Are you telling your sons the same thing: keep it in your pants and your pants zipped? Maybe no one should have sex at all if the ultimate aim is not pregnancy.

I don't have sons. But I believe that there is equal responsibility for the man and the woman to be responsible and not end up in an unwanted pregnancy. Difference is, when there is a choice to be made, it's her body, her choice. The man is not even considered by the far left feminists. The answer to your question is, yes.

 

[GhostOf301]

Honestly, I don’t know why you even try with these people. They don’t debate in good faith and make moronic arguments.

I commend you for your perseverance.

Haha. Okay mr. meme

 

[Crest is Garbage]

Haha. Okay mr. meme

I figured memes were all you could comprehend.

 

[durhamgolfer]

This opinion piece is from early March. They don’t give any scientific reasonings but merely giving you absolute worst case scenarios and trying to use them as justification. What i find comical is the part where it says vaccines are only 94-95% effective haha. So a virus that i have a 99.5%+ chance of survival, and i have a 95% chance of not getting it bc I’m vaxed, means i can’t live my normal life?

If people want to continue to live in fear, by all means. But we’ve now vaccinated some 100M+ people fully and however tens of millions more that actually already have immunity from having had the virus.

If you wanna rock a mask, knock yourself out. I’ve got no problem with people who make that choice.

The problem with that is that not wearing a mask could endanger others, so that choice is a problem.

 

[GhostOf301]

The problem with that is that not wearing a mask could endanger others, so that choice is a problem.

Lol

 

[timo0402]

The problem with that is that not wearing a mask could endanger others, so that choice is a problem.

So for the 5% chance that i get it, since I’m vaxed, i need to wear a mask, because i might give it to someone who isn’t? By this logic, we would wear masks the rest of our lives.

So you believe everyone should be vaccinated bc they work so well, but then when i get vaccinated, i still need to take precautions because it’s not enough?

Again, for a virus that i have a 99.5%+ survival rate even if the 5% chance i did get it, in a rapidly increasing immune population.

 

[Alaskan_Assassin_21]

 

[GhostOf301]

Things are going accordingly. Let's not ignore the crisis at the border and the 400% increase in the fentanyl coming into our country. We're spreading thousands of immigrants that came here illegally across the country and giving them shelter and money. All while we have a failing homeless and mental health policy. A failing foster system and increasing hunger problem amongst our youth. We went from 17,000 apprehend at the border in April of 2020 to 175,000 in April of 2021 and our compassionate leader doesn't say a word about it. Never mind that over 35% of the people coming here are testing positive for covid. The supply shortage is at emergency levels for many critical demands. We have an employment crisis, not an unemployment crisis. And our answer is to just keep paying people to not work. Oh, and we're actively funding terrorism and have elected members of government siding with the terrorists who use citizens as human shields, including children.

But hey, orange man gone. That's all that matters.

 

[Fourteen44]

Honestly, I don’t know why you even try with these people. They don’t debate in good faith and make moronic arguments.

I commend you for your perseverance.

“They don’t debate in good faith...”

interpretation? “They lead with fact and don’t acknowledge our subjective feelings as fact.”

 

[Fourteen44]

The problem with that is that not wearing a mask could endanger others, so that choice is a problem.

Because.....science, I mean feelings.

 

[durhamgolfer]

I don't have sons. But I believe that there is equal responsibility for the man and the woman to be responsible and not end up in an unwanted pregnancy. Difference is, when there is a choice to be made, it's her body, her choice. The man is not even considered by the far left feminists. The answer to your question is, yes.

just out of curiosity how many of these “far left feminists” have you met?

 

[durhamgolfer]

So for the 5% chance that i get it, since I’m vaxed, i need to wear a mask, because i might give it to someone who isn’t? By this logic, we would wear masks the rest of our lives.

So you believe everyone should be vaccinated bc they work so well, but then when i get vaccinated, i still need to take precautions because it’s not enough?

Again, for a virus that i have a 99.5%+ survival rate even if the 5% chance i did get it, in a rapidly increasing immune population.

First of all, I am not suggesting you wear them for life, but until we get more people vax’d it is the prudent thing to do which is why so many virologists disagree with the CDC’s new mask policy. Until we reach herd immunity we still run the risk of variants. So far they have been handled by the vax but who knows what is down the road. The big mystery to me though is why the militance about wearing a mask. It is simply another piece of clothing that you wear a few hours a day. And if it has not helped with covid, the science is that it works against other in born diseases. For all the LOLs and the name calling on this board not one person has answered that question.

 

[GhostOf301]

It is not just another piece of clothing. Reality vs effectiveness, it is a mind control tool and an image of fear and compliance. It is no surprise it has become a divisive partisan clown show. Your body is designed to breathe freely. The longterm health effects, including the strength of your immune system, are going to be a concern. Especially for younger people who are already feeling the effects of bronchitis at much higher rates than average due to the restrictions caused by wearing masks. To say it's simply another piece of clothing is a lie, disingenuous and nothing but parroting fake news. There was a more legit debate early on and based on short term use. We are a year and a half in still without any form of scientific evidence that says you are better off with or without it. The vaccination is available for anyone who wants it. You take care of your body and let other people worry about taking care of their own. It's time to move on from the fake authority one has over their neighbors, worry about ourselves and mind our own damned business. The left is rapidly destroying society and there are too many blind sheep just sitting back and letting it happen.

 

[GhostOf301]

just out of curiosity how many of these “far left feminists” have you met?

Let's just say, you're one of the worst that I have encountered. You asked a question that for some reason you thought I would answer differently. We can move on from this topic.

 

[Fourteen44]

Let's just say, you're one of the worst that I have encountered. You asked a question that for some reason you thought I would answer differently. We can move on from this topic.

I just laugh at people like @durhamgolfer and @Crest is Garbage who blindly follow their party all without doing their own detailed research. There are idiots from both parties like this, but these two are the cream of the crop from Leftism.

 

[timo0402]

First of all, I am not suggesting you wear them for life, but until we get more people vax’d it is the prudent thing to do which is why so many virologists disagree with the CDC’s new mask policy. Until we reach herd immunity we still run the risk of variants. So far they have been handled by the vax but who knows what is down the road. The big mystery to me though is why the militance about wearing a mask. It is simply another piece of clothing that you wear a few hours a day. And if it has not helped with covid, the science is that it works against other in born diseases. For all the LOLs and the name calling on this board not one person has answered that question.

Maybe you’re not suggesting wear them forever but when would it end? You mentioned variants right. You brought up that it’s the prudent thing to do but can’t answer why? If the vaccines are so effective, 94-95%, then why would i need to wear a mask? I’m not at risk. I’m certainly not risking anyone else. I don’t know about “militant resistance,” I’d almost flip that around. Why the staunch Persistence on something we don’t know for certain has any actual effect. This is not even taking into account the types of masks people are wearing, how they’re wearing them, how they clean/don’t clean them, etc. even if you believed in your heart of hearts the ideal masks worked perfectly, no one is doing/wearing them like that. Bottom line, if you’re vaxed and still wearing a mask, knock yourself out.

Also, happened to notice Fauci change his tune Friday! Nice to see all of a sudden his position changed. Must have been some magical scientific study that happened in the time Between mother’s day and Thursday.

 

[timo0402]

Maybe you’re not suggesting wear them forever but when would it end? You mentioned variants right. You brought up that it’s the prudent thing to do but can’t answer why? If the vaccines are so effective, 94-95%, then why would i need to wear a mask? I’m not at risk. I’m certainly not risking anyone else. I don’t know about “militant resistance,” I’d almost flip that around. Why the staunch Persistence on something we don’t know for certain has any actual effect. This is not even taking into account the types of masks people are wearing, how they’re wearing them, how they clean/don’t clean them, etc. even if you believed in your heart of hearts the ideal masks worked perfectly, no one is doing/wearing them like that. Bottom line, if you’re vaxed and still wearing a mask, knock yourself out.

Also, happened to notice Fauci change his tune Friday! Nice to see all of a sudden his position changed. Must have been some magical scientific study that happened in the time Between mother’s day and Thursday.

Oh and if i may be so bold to reply to myself because this just happened to me and it reminded me to bring it up. I think most hear know I’m hard of hearing, part of how i communicate is by reading lips. So, I’m trying to order food from this local place, there is plexiglass between me and the dude taking my order. I can barely hear him through the mask and plexiglass. Same for him with me and by all accounts i don’t believe he’s hard of hearing. So why the masks If he’s got the plexiglass? Does that make any sense at all?

 

[durhamgolfer]

w Because.....science, I mean feelings.

Let's just say, you're one of the worst that I have encountered. You asked a question that for some reason you thought I would answer differently. We can move on from this topic.

did I miss a discussion where I said I had gotten pregnant and terminated the pregnancy without consulting the father? that has absolutely never happened. And I am no means on the far left. Sorry to disappoint

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Oh and if i may be so bold to reply to myself because this just happened to me and it reminded me to bring it up. I think most hear know I’m hard of hearing, part of how i communicate is by reading lips. So, I’m trying to order food from this local place, there is plexiglass between me and the dude taking my order. I can barely hear him through the mask and plexiglass. Same for him with me and by all accounts i don’t believe he’s hard of hearing. So why the masks If he’s got the plexiglass? Does that make any sense at all?

Isn't he behind that plexiglass working alongside other people that could be problematic for him...timo, definitely understand your dilemma, definitely a grey area in this situation

 

[Crest is Garbage]

Finally found some voter fraud.

 

[timo0402]

Isn't he behind that plexiglass working alongside other people that could be problematic for him...timo, definitely understand your dilemma, definitely a grey area in this situation

If we are both wearing masks, why the plexiglass? If masks work so well when both people are wearing them, then why the plexiglass. See what I’m saying?

 

[GhostOf301]

did I miss a discussion where I said I had gotten pregnant and terminated the pregnancy without consulting the father? that has absolutely never happened. And I am no means on the far left. Sorry to disappoint

I never even came close to alleging you had. What I said was that when it comes to far left feminists, it is always her body her choice and the man is never considered part of the discussion. @Crest is Garbage wants to talk about ME not debating in good faith. Jeesh. Lol at you not being far left. You are all the way to the left on every single issue here. I don't blame libs for not owning it, but it is a reoccurring trend with people not owning being a lib.

 

[denverexpat]

Its statements like these that cause people to question what they have been told and by whom. So only in the last two weeks we have discovered vaccine effectiveness? Nonsense
The population's skeptism around Covid is self-inflicted by incompetent officials and those in charge of the response to the pandemic

CDC Dir. Rochelle Walensky defends new mask guidance for vaccinated Americans, telling
@MarthaRaddatz
: "We now have science that has really just evolved even in the last two weeks that demonstrates that these vaccines are safe, they are effective.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

If we are both wearing masks, why the plexiglass? If masks work so well when both people are wearing them, then why the plexiglass. See what I’m saying?

Everybody that comes up to the plexiglass don't wear a mask....yeah the plexiglass is good barrier between you and him, but he is also working with other people behind the plexiglass with him as well

 

[timo0402]

Everybody that comes up to the plexiglass don't wear a mask....yeah the plexiglass is good barrier between you and him, but he is also working with other people behind the plexiglass with him as well

It is actually a mandate in this establishment that you have to wear a mask when you enter....haha

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

It is actually a mandate in this establishment that you have to wear a mask when you enter....haha

I figured but back to the original point then....he is still behind the plexiglass with fellow coworkers

 

[timo0402]

I figured but back to the original point then....he is still behind the plexiglass with fellow coworkers

Yeah i understand. My point was simply....why the plexiglass. But we are going in a circle here haha