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[Dattier]

We're all born racist. We have to be taught how not to be racist.

Doesn't that help you w/ perspective? What is it you object to?

I might have phrased it differently. Obviously as newborns we have no concept of race as, let alone racism. The society we're born into is steeped in it, though, and we all get institutionalized.

Doesn't that take the accusation out of it? Racism isn't something most of us choose; we are socialized to internalize it. I mean, we're also pretty bad as a country at teaching people a second language; I don't feel bad that I can't speak another language. I wish I could, and I can do my best as an adult to learn, but I don't feel personally responsible for that shortcoming of my own education and culture.

 

[GhostOf301]

Doesn't that help you w/ perspective? What is it you object to?

I might have phrased it differently. Obviously as newborns we have no concept of race as, let alone racism. The society we're born into is steeped in it, though, and we all get institutionalized.

Doesn't that take the accusation out of it? Racism isn't something most of us choose; we are socialized to internalize it. I mean, we're also pretty bad as a country at teaching people a second language; I don't feel bad that I can't speak another language. I wish I could, and I can do my best as an adult to learn, but I don't feel personally responsible for that shortcoming of my own education and culture.

I disagree with your analogy, but that's no big deal. There is too much focus on race. Unless children are actually being taught to be racist, race isn't and shouldn't even be an issue with them. Teach kids to treat everyone equally and with the same respect that they would expect in return and the not being racist will come naturally. Racism is taught more than it is inherent and those are the cases that need focus. There doesn't need to be a large scale focus on race with the young demographic.

As to what I object about from AOC there. Besides the blatant lies she repeated over and over and her hilarious take that it is Republicans who want to erase history and burn books. I object to her notion that anybody doesn't want "us" to learn how not to be racist. It is sensationalized nonsense focused on dividing society. The democratic platform has been detrimental on the black community for decades. She should focus on correcting that. Racism is apolitical, it doesn't exist within a party. It's just being portrayed that way for political reasons.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

We're all born racist. We have to be taught how not to be racist.

is your comment above saying she said we are all born racist?..i didn't catch that part and would def disagree if she did, as racism is def learned/taught imo

 

[GhostOf301]

is your comment above saying she said we are all born racist?..i didn't catch that part and would def disagree if she did, as racism is def learned/taught imo

It was a slightly over the top assessment of what she is saying. I guess I just believe we should teach children to be decent human beings with compassion for all without the focus on skin color. Teach them about the dark past when they're at the age where their minds aren't so susceptible to agenda driven narratives. JMO

 

[Dattier]

I disagree with your analogy, but that's no big deal. There is too much focus on race. Unless children are actually being taught to be racist, race isn't and shouldn't even be an issue with them. Teach kids to treat everyone equally and with the same respect that they would expect in return and the not being racist will come naturally. Racism is taught more than it is inherent and those are the cases that need focus. There doesn't need to be a large scale focus on race with the young demographic.

As to what I object about from AOC there. Besides the blatant lies she repeated over and over and her hilarious take that it is Republicans who want to erase history and burn books. I object to her notion that anybody doesn't want "us" to learn how not to be racist. It is sensationalized nonsense focused on dividing society. The democratic platform has been detrimental on the black community for decades. She should focus on correcting that. Racism is apolitical, it doesn't exist within a party. It's just being portrayed that way for political reasons.

We're already doing that w/ kids. That addresses the most basic interpersonal form of racism. It doesn't address implicit bias and systemic racism. That's why so many of us have to unlearn that form of racism later in life.

What does it mean to "treat everyone equally"? If it means "same," it doesn't address individual needs, values, cultural differences, etc. It has to mean "equitably." Race is still a major factor in most people's lives, whether they acknowledge it or not. If we ignore that in favor of treating everyone the same way, we don't address the systemic issues and ultimately, we don't serve individuals, either.

NO political party has done enough of the right thing for Black communities, among other communities.

Agree to disagree on AOC. I wince at some things she says, how she says them, but I generally agree with her. No one had even heard of her until 2018. We've been pretty badly divided since well before that. And getting united is also not achieved by the means you recommend wrt race: not addressing systemic issues. It's not about being polite; it's about justice.

 

[GhostOf301]

We're already doing that w/ kids. That addresses the most basic interpersonal form of racism. It doesn't address implicit bias and systemic racism. That's why so many of us have to unlearn that form of racism later in life.

What does it mean to "treat everyone equally"? If it means "same," it doesn't address individual needs, values, cultural differences, etc. It has to mean "equitably." Race is still a major factor in most people's lives, whether they acknowledge it or not. If we ignore that in favor of treating everyone the same way, we don't address the systemic issues and ultimately, we don't serve individuals, either.

NO political party has done enough of the right thing for Black communities, among other communities.

Agree to disagree on AOC. I wince at some things she says, how she says them, but I generally agree with her. No one had even heard of her until 2018. We've been pretty badly divided since well before that. And getting united is also not achieved by the means you recommend wrt race: not addressing systemic issues. It's not about being polite; it's about justice.

Well, it is my opinion that there are calls for justice where there are no real injustices and the systemic problems are greatly exaggerated and in a lot of cases, manufactured. It's degrading to minorities how helpless some people make them out to be.

 

[KDSTONE]

EXACTLY! We both have just as much right to say what we want, stand when we want, kneel when we want, etc.

If liberals "always" gravitate toward "insulting" our symbols and that shows no original thought, what does goosestepping to those same symbols and trying to censor history say about original thought and free-thinking?
(Throwing in an "always" is a good way to lose the argument. Remind me next time I do it, b/c I will slip up and do that from time to time. And I'd say "criticizing" rather than "insulting," but I think you don't tend to listen long enough or well enough to see the difference. [See what I did there w/ "I think" and "don't tend to"? It's the opposite of what you did w/ your "always."])

"[W]ithout perspective or historical context," says the guy trying to pin slavery on today's Democratic Party. lol The historical context CRT provides is that all this wealth America accumulated in it's first four score and nine years, plus over a hundred more years as a colony, included free labor. The next hundred years included Jim Crow. What time period, exactly, was President Trump trying to take us back to, so we could be great again?

Last I checked, the Tokyo games are not the Oppression Olympics, so there are no medals. The freedom our flag stands for includes the right to criticize our own country as represented by that very flag, and it has been going on almost as long as the modern Olympics have existed. That athletes from other countries don't have that right or many others does not mean Americans have to settle. We're the best? We lead the world with our example? Then "good enough" doesn't cut it.

Goosestepping is an offensive choice of language, but we’ve come to expect the worst from your posts when race is the issue. Re: censoring history I learned about slavery and the Jim Crow era growing up as did most on this board I suspect. Do social studies and science get put on the back burner for low performing students who can’t read or perform basic math. Absolutely. Are there rogue teachers who downplay parts of American history they don’t like covering? Certainly. Your view of CRT as filling in gaps that haven’t been covered is a solution in search of a problem however to act like students aren’t being taught our country’s dark side. Based on data I’ve seen many students aren’t being taught much of anything no offense

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

It was a slightly over the top assessment of what she is saying. I guess I just believe we should teach children to be decent human beings with compassion for all without the focus on skin color. Teach them about the dark past when they're at the age where their minds aren't so susceptible to agenda driven narratives. JMO

i do think it is something that could be incorporated into character education lessons that's apart of schools today....def agree on the age though, kinda like when to implement sex ed and etc...def have to garner the right age

 

[Mac9192]

We live in the greatest country. If we didn’t, people wouldn’t be trying to get in here like they are. These snowflakes need to protest the government, not be a disgrace in front of the flag.
Once we start accepting borderline actions, things become accepted that really shouldn’t, like girls wanting to identify as guys, and guys wanting to compete in women’s events. You’re a special kind of stupid if you think it’s ok for Bob to win a track event competing against women.

Society (media) is trying to castrate men, especially conservative ones, which rules out most libs.

 

[KDSTONE]

American exceptionalism. These Dems

We live in the greatest country. If we didn’t, people wouldn’t be trying to get in here like they are. These snowflakes need to protest the government, not be a disgrace in front of the flag.
Once we start accepting borderline actions, things become accepted that really shouldn’t, like girls wanting to identify as guys, and guys wanting to compete in women’s events. You’re a special kind of stupid if you think it’s ok for Bob to win a track event competing against women.

Society (media) is trying to castrate men, especially conservative ones, which rules out most libs.

American exceptionalism If the media and the Dems can convince people that we live in an irredeemably racist country then and only then can they achieve the radical changes they seek Reparations higher taxes even more unconstitutional quotas

 

[denverexpat]

Written by an immigrant of color...it raises some interesting points that are not shared publically by any media or academic institution

https://nypost.com/2020/07/11/the-fallacy-of-white-privilege-and-how-its-corroding-society/

 

[KDSTONE]

Written by an immigrant of color...it raises some interesting points that are not shared publically by any media or academic institution

https://nypost.com/2020/07/11/the-fallacy-of-white-privilege-and-how-its-corroding-society/

Great article and thanks for sharing. So he had some horrific experiences on the school bus. Racist slurs mocking. But instead of curling into a ball before enrolling into a new age therapy circle jerk he just got on with things. Did not let that define him. Has committed himself to his work and passions. He is surely forgetting something however. There has got to be some government program or bureaucrat somewhere who deserves the credit for his family’s success

 

[Dattier]

Goosestepping is an offensive choice of language, but we’ve come to expect the worst from your posts when race is the issue. Re: censoring history I learned about slavery and the Jim Crow era growing up as did most on this board I suspect. Do social studies and science get put on the back burner for low performing students who can’t read or perform basic math. Absolutely. Are there rogue teachers who downplay parts of American history they don’t like covering? Certainly. Your view of CRT as filling in gaps that haven’t been covered is a solution in search of a problem however to act like students aren’t being taught our country’s dark side. Based on data I’ve seen many students aren’t being taught much of anything no offense

I apologize for the offensive choice of language.

We learned Brown v BOE, 1954 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We did not learn that real estate redlining kept schools segregated well into the '70s in many places. So when someone cites 1954 or 1964 as the point after which everything on the books was just and good and we're so many generations removed that no one today has any excuse, they're wrong, and they consistently obstruct efforts to correct additional injustices.

 

[Dattier]

Great article and thanks for sharing. So he had some horrific experiences on the school bus. Racist slurs mocking. But instead of curling into a ball before enrolling into a new age therapy circle jerk he just got on with things. Did not let that define him. Has committed himself to his work and passions. He is surely forgetting something however. There has got to be some government program or bureaucrat somewhere who deserves the credit for his family’s success

You think trauma and being in therapy should be mocked?

What happened to you?

 

[Dattier]

Well, it is my opinion that there are calls for justice where there are no real injustices and the systemic problems are greatly exaggerated and in a lot of cases, manufactured. It's degrading to minorities how helpless some people make them out to be.

I'm not sure we ever break that impasse.

 

[KDSTONE]

You think trauma and being in therapy should be mocked?

What happened to you?

He never said he was traumatized. That’s you again trying to determine how you want other people to feel. He refused to let hateful people define him or derail him from the pursuit of excellence.
As far as therapy being mocked that all depends on the reason you’re in therapy. I just don’t see much point in going to therapy for kids picking on you on the school bus but of course we all have our different levels of tolerance. Therapy has helped millions. Don’t put words in my mouth
The last line I found extremely hateful a perfect example of your stock in trade post. You lambaste others for not being sufficiently sensitive then engage in the most demeaning rhetoric What happened to you besides the obvious brainwashing I mean

 

[KDSTONE]

I’ve never

I apologize for the offensive choice of language.

We learned Brown v BOE, 1954 and the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We did not learn that real estate redlining kept schools segregated well into the '70s in many places. So when someone cites 1954 or 1964 as the point after which everything on the books was just and good and we're so many generations removed that no one today has any excuse, they're wrong, and they consistently obstruct efforts to correct additional injustices

Never heard anyone cite those years the way you describe but rather as huge leaps in the right direction. But not as the point where it’s all good and just. Furthermore you’ve engaged in absolutist language again by stating those you disagree with claim that “no one today has any excuse”. Few on the Right would go that far, but rather differ in how much blame should be divvied up between external factors and how much of life’s journey is dictated by personal choices: work ethic, discipline, self restraint etc

 

[GhostOf301]

I'm not sure we ever break that impasse.

Well, not when we fail to isolate certain situations from a grander scale. If we judged our progress on a case by case basis using reason and logic, we will likely see that only a fraction of what we call injustices actually are. We will likely see that systemic issues are out of the way for the most part and can be addressed easily while using reason and logic.

And do you not see how demeaning it is to minorities to constantly paint them as helpless victims? It's grandstanding at best, actually racist at worst. I couldn't imagine being a minority and having white liberals tell me that I can't work hard and have success in a country that awards everyone the same opportunities because of some sort of systemic roadblock that hasn't existed in decades. Let alone them telling me that I can't perform one of the most basic tasks as a citizen... obtaining an ID.

We're not perfect, far from it. But we are lightyears ahead of where we were and where some people want to believe we are today.

 

[Dattier]

He never said he was traumatized. That’s you again trying to determine how you want other people to feel. He refused to let hateful people define him or derail him from the pursuit of excellence.
As far as therapy being mocked that all depends on the reason you’re in therapy. I just don’t see much point in going to therapy for kids picking on you on the school bus but of course we all have our different levels of tolerance. Therapy has helped millions. Don’t put words in my mouth
The last line I found extremely hateful a perfect example of your stock in trade post. You lambaste others for not being sufficiently sensitive then engage in the most demeaning rhetoric What happened to you besides the obvious brainwashing I mean

It was you, not "he," and your "curling into a ball" quip was an exact description and mocking of trauma.

Are you a therapist? By what credentials do you get to judge what anyone is in therapy for? Not by what right, because I know you have the right to say all kinds of horrible things. What qualifies you to judge anyone's reason for being in therapy?

That last line was far better and kinder than your usual. And it's hypocritical af for you to mock people for being in therapy then turn around and whine about my calling you on it.

 

[Dattier]

Well, not when we fail to isolate certain situations from a grander scale. If we judged our progress on a case by case basis using reason and logic, we will likely see that only a fraction of what we call injustices actually are. We will likely see that systemic issues are out of the way for the most part and can be addressed easily while using reason and logic.

And do you not see how demeaning it is to minorities to constantly paint them as helpless victims? It's grandstanding at best, actually racist at worst. I couldn't imagine being a minority and having white liberals tell me that I can't work hard and have success in a country that awards everyone the same opportunities because of some sort of systemic roadblock that hasn't existed in decades. Let alone them telling me that I can't perform one of the most basic tasks as a citizen... obtaining an ID.

We're not perfect, far from it. But we are lightyears ahead of where we were and where some people want to believe we are today.

This is the very impasse I meant.

Yes, I can see your perspective of how demeaning it would be to paint anyone as a helpless victim. I don't agree that that is happening. Nor that systemic roadblocks haven't existed in decades. Or anything else in that paragraph.

The leaders of my school district, school(s), national union, state union, and local are all Black, as are large sections of their leadership teams. Neither they nor I see them as victims and I'm definitely not playing the role of some White savior. They lead the work, just like in other fields.

We are indeed lightyears ahead of where we were. As for where we are today, do you believe we are at point X or do you "want to believe" we're at point X? The very nature of systemic problems is that they are so deeply ingrained some people don't even recognize they exist. And that's like that whole frog-in-a-pot-of-water thing.

 

[KDSTONE]

It was you, not "he," and your "curling into a ball" quip was an exact description and mocking of trauma.

Are you a therapist? By what credentials do you get to judge what anyone is in therapy for? Not by what right, because I know you have the right to say all kinds of horrible things. What qualifies you to judge anyone's reason for being in therapy?

That last line was far better and kinder than your usual. And it's hypocritical af for you to mock people for being in therapy then turn around and whine about my calling you on it.

Calling you out for a double standard is not the same as whining.
A loved one was molested at the hands of her therapist so no doubt that anger and transference influenced my post. Upon reflection I’m sure that many therapists are first class individuals who have helped a lot of people. I was actually mocking a certain type of therapy specifically not in the general sense. As far as who’s qualified to discuss what that’s like the person who says only a basketball coach can question Coach Ks strategy or that only a Black history or sociology professor can decide what’s racist or not

 

[Dattier]

Never heard anyone cite those years the way you describe but rather as huge leaps in the right direction. But not as the point where it’s all good and just. Furthermore you’ve engaged in absolutist language again by stating those you disagree with claim that “no one today has any excuse”. Few on the Right would go that far, but rather differ in how much blame should be divvied up between external factors and how much of life’s journey is dictated by personal choices: work ethic, discipline, self restraint etc

Huge leaps in the right direction w/o the follow-up of how they were undermined is essentially insinuating they fixed everything. Happily ever after. People pushing the "American exceptionalism" agenda seem to want to tell only the feel good stuff. Not doing your best to tell the whole truth is the same as lying.

The "no one today has any excuse" rhetoric is indeed absolutist, and I'm repeating exactly what conservatives say repeatedly all over the place, including this exact message board.

If it all boils down to exactly where to draw the line between external factors and personal choices, why not tone down your rhetoric? And I mean you, specifically, @KDSTONE .

 

[GhostOf301]

do you believe we are at point X or do you "want to believe" we're at point X?

I am not ignoring the rest. Just don't see us being on the same page regardless of what you or I say. But I do want to answer this question to the best of my ability based on my experience and perspective.

I believe we are far better than what meets the eye. I think we are being made to believe we aren't by a divisive agenda driven by the left, perpetuated by their propaganda machine. Point x is also a subjective point. If you're asking me if I believe everything is all fine and dandy with race relations, no. But I don't think they ever will be. There is no cure for racism like there is no cure for road rage. Some people just suck. But if point x is where anyone can rise above racism and live happy and successful lives despite it... then yes, I think we are at point x. Or damned near it. I also think the work that is asked to be put in to better race relations is disproportionately placed at the feet of whitey. Not placed there by minorities, but by the race junky white liberals.

 

[Dattier]

Calling you out for a double standard is not the same as whining.
A loved one was molested at the hands of her therapist so no doubt that anger and transference influenced my post. Upon reflection I’m sure that many therapists are first class individuals who have helped a lot of people. I was actually mocking a certain type of therapy specifically not in the general sense. As far as who’s qualified to discuss what that’s like the person who says only a basketball coach can question Coach Ks strategy or that only a Black history or sociology professor can decide what’s racist or not

Wow! Really sorry to hear that your loved one had that experience in therapy. That's awful.

Different situations call for different things, whether it's different oil pipelines or speaking sensitively. I think almost everyone has moments of genuine hypocrisy, but I also think most of us would be accused of hypocrisy more than we really are guilty of it. We're complex beings and complex thinkers. Nuance that others don't necessarily understand are easily compatible in our own minds, our own moral codes.

 

[Dattier]

I am not ignoring the rest. Just don't see us being on the same page regardless of what you or I say. But I do want to answer this question to the best of my ability based on my experience and perspective.

I believe we are far better than what meets the eye. I think we are being made to believe we aren't by a divisive agenda driven by the left, perpetuated by their propaganda machine. Point x is also a subjective point. If you're asking me if I believe everything is all fine and dandy with race relations, no. But I don't think they ever will be. There is no cure for racism like there is no cure for road rage. Some people just suck. But if point x is where anyone can rise above racism and live happy and successful lives despite it... then yes, I think we are at point x. Or damned near it. I also think the work that is asked to be put in to better race relations is disproportionately placed at the feet of whitey. Not placed their by minorities, but by the race junky white liberals.

Totally understand the decision not to address the rest.

What I really meant by what you quoted was more about your phrasing, but I like where you went with it instead. Don't necessarily agree, but I respect the heck out of it. I don't really think any of us are pretending to believe or "want to believe" anything. We actually believe it. Accepting that those we disagree w/ are sincere could be one itty-bitty step in healing the huge divide we have right now.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Huge leaps in the right direction w/o the follow-up of how they were undermined is essentially insinuating they fixed everything. Happily ever after. People pushing the "American exceptionalism" agenda seem to want to tell only the feel good stuff. Not doing your best to tell the whole truth is the same as lying.

The "no one today has any excuse" rhetoric is indeed absolutist, and I'm repeating exactly what conservatives say repeatedly all over the place, including this exact message board.

If it all boils down to exactly where to draw the line between external factors and personal choices, why not tone down your rhetoric? And I mean you, specifically, @KDSTONE .

The no one today has any excuse to me is kinda true, but at the same time kinda not as a segment of people went hundreds of years in bondage, then after that another 89-90 years dealing w/ jim crow and segregation, then after that redlining, gentrification, war on drugs....all efforts to keep down and maintain wealth disparities through overt and covert actions to limit the recovery from the initial hundreds of years of bondage imo...seems like a we gonna keep you down one way of another sustained agenda.....or would that be considered systematic racism?...

 

[hart2chesson]

Compelling testimony from our MEN IN BLUE at the congressional hearings this week. They have my FULL SUPPORT whether fighting off demented Trump right wingers or demented leftist radicals....OFC

 

[smashmouth5]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/capitol-police-ordered-arrest-staff-visitors-not-wearing-masks

 

[Mac9192]

I suspect the Capitol policemen that testified the other day have been compensated to say what they did.
What a **** show

speaking of **** show, check this out:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/harry-dunn-capitol-jan-6-twitter/2021/07/29/id/1030385/

 

[denverexpat]

None of the hearings ever produce one iota of value, they are a total waste of money and are just a political circus...no one ever tells the truth, is held to account, or is subsequently punished for any actions taken...you can go back through the last 10 years of hearings and its just a political dog and pony. Oliver North may be the last guy to actually suffer any consequences from a hearing! They are a waste of time and taxpayer dollars.

 

[Dattier]

I suspect the Capitol policemen that testified the other day have been compensated to say what they did.
What a **** show

speaking of **** show, check this out:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/harry-dunn-capitol-jan-6-twitter/2021/07/29/id/1030385/

Newsmax? lol: "We rate Newsmax Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks."
I mean... even Fox News deserves some respect. They're really biased, but they have journalistic chops, at least. "Questionable" is the most embarrassing category.

 

[Mac9192]

Newsmax? lol: "We rate Newsmax Right Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience as well as numerous failed fact checks."
I mean... even Fox News deserves some respect. They're really biased, but they have journalistic chops, at least. "Questionable" is the most embarrassing category.

Who's this "we" you are talking about? You have a mouse in your pocket? Let's disregard what the cop says because we don't like who's doing the reporting. Talk about laughable. Did you even bother to check out the cop's OWN WORDS in the tweets, and posts?

Of course newsmax seems right biased, especially when compared to the hack sources they go up against. It's this simple, there wouldn't be any need for them if the others told the truth.

 

[Dattier]

Who's this "we" you are talking about? You have a mouse in your pocket? Let's disregard what the cop says because we don't like who's doing the reporting. Talk about laughable. Did you even bother to check out the cop's OWN WORDS in the tweets, and posts?

Of course newsmax seems right biased, especially when compared to the hack sources they go up against. It's this simple, there wouldn't be any need for them if the others told the truth.

Ummm... I included a link and I put it in quotation marks, so...

Newsmax doesn't "seem" biased; they absolutely are biased. It's researched and supported with evidence. And worse than their bias, they are "Questionable" because they push conspiracy theories. They are the very definition of "hack."

The reason they exist is because they know how to play their audience.

 

[Dattier]

Did you even bother to check out the cop's OWN WORDS in the tweets, and posts?

Yep. So what? Do your posts here affect your ability to do your job and tell the truth about things you personally experience? If an officer with tons of pro-Trump tweets downplayed the events of January 6th, would you be equally dismissive due to their bias?

Newsmax is using evidence of his personal political views to attack his credibility as LEO and a citizen testifying under oath.

 

[Mac9192]

Yep. So what? Do your posts here affect your ability to do your job and tell the truth about things you personally experience? If an officer with tons of pro-Trump tweets downplayed the events of January 6th, would you be equally dismissive due to their bias?

Newsmax is using evidence of his personal political views to attack his credibility as LEO and a citizen testifying under oath.

Did you type this with a straight face? Look at some videos. Police kindly moving gates out of the way, allowing the people in, and slowly walking backwards while they climbed the steps. No resistance whatsoever. Plus, the National Guard was denied 2 days before, and not by Trump.

As stated in earlier posts, anyone who went in should be held accountable. But, this was a SETUP. A masterful one done by the left, and probably some from the right as well.

 

[acc hoops]

Still waiting for the brave Capitol Policeman to stand up and take credit for slaying the dragon named Ashli Babbitt. Pretty amazing that a felon killed by police can get statues and a 27 million dollar settlement for his family but the family of a veteran killed by police cannot even be told who pulled the trigger.

 

[Fourteen44]

Lol Dattier is back? The only person I’ve ever seen that needed to take a self-proclaimed “mental break” from a sports message board

 

[GhostOf301]

Still waiting for the brave Capitol Policeman to stand up and take credit for slaying the dragon named
Ashli Babbitt. Pretty amazing that a felon killed by police can get statues and a 27 million dollar settlement for his family but the family of a veteran killed by police cannot even be told who pulled the trigger.

I don't exactly place the death of Babbitt at the hands of the police as she was warned multiple times that the line she crossed was the last line of defense. But I fully agree that the transparency, or lack thereof, has been atrocious.

 

[KDSTONE]

Lol Dattier is back? The only person I’ve ever seen that needed to take a self-proclaimed “mental break” from a sports message board

I think Durham golfer is on a sabbatical as we speak

 

[Dattier]

Lol Dattier is back? The only person I’ve ever seen that needed to take a self-proclaimed “mental break” from a sports message board

Were those my words?
More importantly, we have yet another person here who thinks it's cool to make fun of mental health. What happened to some of y'all that you think that's okay? And why don't any of the rest of y'all call that junk out?