It will still be Trumps fault. They never admit when they’re wrong. That’s why they’re liberals in the first place. We know their policies will always end in disaster. See LBJ and Obama. But it will always be someone one else’s fault.Is it wrong that I hope they actually defund the police so we can watch people like Dattier crumble when SHTF?
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The amount of sentences it took to try and walk around that is a perfect example of my point.
The CDC, with no constitutional authority has zero authority to make any laws. The Public Health Services Act!?!? Are you kidding me?
I know many people that are landlords that have not been paid an iota since that kicked in. They’re drowning. But don’t worry because they are required by law to keep the lights on and the water running. Do you not see a problem with that?
To go further, there are more jobs available now than any time in recent memory. There is no reason for people not to be working. In other words, what I’m saying is there is ZERO reason for this moratorium to be extended unlawfully.
Incorrect. In case you need to go back to elem school please do. As far as anyone but the US Congress making laws go it is not the way our system of checks and balances was designed. Don’t worry though there are professors at some local night law schools that can be bought off that will rubber stamp it for their lord and savior Joe and the corrupt CDC
Plus the local landlords still have to pay the nut to the bank without much rent coming in from many tenants. Then when the bank owns the property after it’s seized only the super rich will buy it from the bank. A perfect example of Democratic policies actually benefiting the super rich
Not sure what 12 years you're referring to, nor what state's public schools. Since 2010, NC's public schools have been horribly underfunded. It started under Democratic leadership during a nationwide recession and has gotten worse since.
The past 15 months is a very poor timeframe for judging anything about public schools, or a lot of other things, for that matter.
There are so few bad career educators it's closer to the truth to say there are none than to say there are "so few." Bad teachers don't last. There is no more tenure. Bad teachers get run out. They are put on action plans and required to go to all kinds of extra support stuff and they usually leave on their own.
Lots of teachers with one foot out the door aren't leaving at their personal peak, whether to retirement or a career change. Practically every teacher with a second job is not at their personal peak. Schools are a microcosm of society. Schools aren't failing kids. Society is failing schools.
I'm not up to speed on laws governing campaign resources. I know they can buy lunch, pay for hotel rooms, rent buses. It's entirely possible that security falls firmly in the acceptable category. It's a grayer area by virtue of its not being as clear-cut as spending her own personal money out of pocket, and because, like I said, I'm not well versed in campaign law. How about you?
Restriction free state unemployment with $600, now $300/wk extra from the federal government. 15% more allowance for food stamps with millions more qualifying for them. Multiple stimulus checks equalling over $10,000 for some families. Seems like there shouldn't have been any reason for the moratorium to begin with. Just another way for the government to gain more dependants.
Typical conservative suspicion of complexity.
The problem I see is that the moratorium doesn't extend to them, as well.
If I needed a job and all there were were jobs paying poverty-level wages and dangerous working conditions, I'd keep looking (ie, "not working").
1. You’re making assumptions
2. Why does the moratorium need to be extended? Explain.
3. More assumptions. I just went to get a bagel, the shop has a sign outside saying $18-24hr plus a $500 signing bonus! I wish i were still in HS or College and could do that.
Are you saying those are the only jobs available? How were people paying their rent prior to the pandemic? What would be an acceptable wage to get people back to work in the jobs that they were working before?
Our nation spends more per capita than any developed nation. In a perfect world teachers would make more but what other profession gets at least three weeks for Christmas two months for summer? Um none. Schools are always underfunded according to Dems I’ve never heard anything different. I appreciate your public service. Not trying to be condescending. But I’ve lived in Ga Nc Sc and I e never heard of a teacher being laid off for poor performance I’ve heard of a few laid off for drunk to work molesting a student etc but never for just being a piss poor teacher. Is it different where you are or is this just more message board shctick?
That’s what I’m saying, I just gave a real world example that I saw with my own eyes to work at a BAGEL SHOP. $18-24/hr and $500!!! You kidding me!? I’d take that in a heart beat if i was unemployed.
And I observe that you ignore my comments about students performing at charter schools whereas they were abject failures in traditional public schools. Pick and choose your battles always a good strategy but we’ll always call you out on it
You know, you asked me a question and I answered. My answer was completely fact specific and no where in it did I indicate my position on extending the moratorium. And I stand by my very fact based explanation for the CDC’s authorization to do some things. The Supremes may say that authorization does not extend to the ban but it still an open question. Congress makes laws and creates agencies to put those laws into place. Those agencies then have some room to enact regulations. That is why law schools teach administrative law.
Is there any possible way you could put aside your complete disgust with my political views and take my answers at face value. When you raised the issue of nonpayment of rent, I did not engage in a rant about conservatives. I told you what I knew, admitted what I did not and asked where you got that from.
Where in the constitution does it say the CDC can enact laws? Why is the moratorium still in place?
How can a bagel shop make a profit when they’re paying people 20 an hour? Answer they can’t and they’ll be closed in less than a year
No clue but I’m seriously considering it haha. I got a half dozen and a tub of cream cheese for $20.
A week ago I’d have said does a bear s—in the woods? Now I think he might be a useful idiot to keep around for awhile esp after seeing his lawyers this week
Ignoring all the after hours work teachers do and all the continuing ed, let's say we only work the 200 days per year we're contracted for, which is 40 weeks. Since we're already pretending, let's also pretend the NCGA's lie about a $50k average salary is also true.
$50k/40 weeks = $1250/wk.
If we worked 50 weeks at that rate, we'd average $62.5k, which is less than the current national average for teachers.
And that's before you factor in all the things I left out. A starting teacher's salary in NC was $35k last year.
Why would anyone outside the exact school a teacher was let go from ever hear about it? They disappear w/ all the other teachers who leave at the end of each school year, and HR isn't allowed to talk about it. What seems more likely, that teachers don't get let go due to poor performance, or that you aren't close enough to the situation to know?
You: "Of course he knew what it was."
Also you: "The data is being willfully ignored."
But I'm making assumptions.
A quote from a treatise:
While some textualist scholars argue that administrative agencies are unconstitutional, particularly because of unconstitutional delegation of law-making power, the current jurisprudence in administrative law deems agencies constitutional, and necessary in the current society in the functional and pragmatic sense.
I have not read the enabling Public Health statutes but it is quite possible that they have language in them permitting agencies to take such reasonable and necessary steps to protect public health. The idea of the moratorium in part is not to overrun shelters with people who've lost their homes and might be carrying the virus. You can agree or disagree with whether the statuet covers this but until the Supremes rule specifically it is an open question. That is why Biden is not committing a crime. There is yet no ruling in place that he is ignoring.
Also, remember the issue with Hilary's emails? She violated a state department regulation that all emails go through their servers and they enacted that regulation to comply with FOIA. It happens all the time. Most of the regs are small and nonproblemattc so you don't seat.
You’ve already stated in the past that most of your colleagues are African American and I assume most of your students are. So I’m guessing that most of the teachers let go are in the first year or two correct? Who are actually outperforming teachers who have tenure? I notice no where in your post did you mention awful teachers kept on due to tenure but I forget. It’s because it’s an HR issue no ones allowed to talk about it
Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I must have missed it before.
Charter schools in NC are not required to have buses, so families have to provide their own transportation. They are not required to provide food. This makes it prohibitive for low-income families.
They are not required to provide services for students with IEPs and 504s. They are allowed to expel students with behavior problems. This further skews their student population.
Most charter schools still fail. The successful charter schools you speak of are taking public funding away from public schools while not being held to the same standards, and weeding out demographics that would harm their outcomes.
Dam you are really smart. I couldn’t understand a word of that. Please remember that while some of us paid a lot of $ for SAT tutors to buy our way into Duke whatever IQ points we had were fried a long time ago.
You make some good points. And another factor often discussed is that parents who go to the trouble of charter schools are the most involved parents to begin with who make sure their child does homework every night attend pt conferences and the like
The silence of the left is deafening. I guess the meee too movement has reached their quota. They don't need another one.
I did not say most of my colleagues are Black. I said the national, state, and local union presidents are all Black, that my superintendent and principal are Black, and that large portions of the leadership team in the union are Black.You’ve already stated in the past that most of your colleagues are African American and I assume most of your students are. So I’m guessing that most of the teachers let go are in the first year or two correct? Who are actually outperforming teachers who have tenure? I notice no where in your post did you mention awful teachers kept on due to tenure but I forget. It’s because it’s an HR issue no ones allowed to talk about it
In NC, tenure has not existed for new hires for almost 10 years. It means that a teacher who has tenure through a grandfather clause gets due process before they can be fired, not that they are untouchable.
Again, why would you -- you, specifically -- hear about teachers who were let go due to poor performance?
In all respect, I will ask this ? Where are you getting your information about charter schools? From the schools directly or your admin who may have their own agenda to bias their staff against such schools?
Me specifically? Uh bc I know what goes on in my town. Just like I know what the Iron Dukes got going on, just like I know who’s sleeping with who and who is fired for what. It’s not rocket science. You pick up a drink and listen to people run their mouths
Yes, that, too.
One of my own kids went to various magnet schools every year, k-12, and another is on pace to. Magnets have to provide all the things neighborhood public schools provide, but the fact that you have to apply does mean higher parental involvement, on average. Fortunately, that process has been simplified and well publicized, so poverty is less prohibitive.
On the work side...a couple of anecdotes. A friend runs several high-end Italian restaurants in NY and other states...when the $300 ended people returned as servers/staff...when the child care act went into effect and gave them the extra money per child...they left again.
Another friend owns hotels - they are at 50% capacity...51 rooms in one hotel out of 105 for example...because they cannot get housekeeping to be able to clean any more....they are even offering twice pre-pandemic rates...yet no return for those workers...
The effects of the government programs and giveaways are real....
Another friend owns hotels - they are at 50% capacity...51 rooms in one hotel out of 105 for example...because they cannot get housekeeping to be able to clean any more....they are even offering twice pre-pandemic rates...yet no return for those workers...
The effects of the government programs and giveaways are real....
It's public knowledge.
Some charter schools do have buses, a lunch programs, special services. None is required to.
Also, teacher licensure is less strict and there are way fewer regulations and less oversight from the state, all while being funded by public money reallocated from real public schools.
That's pretty anecdotal, and quantifying what you don't hear is even more tenuous.
I live at the beach. Half the restaurants are closed for lunch because they can't keep staff. McDonald's, Burger King and other FF spots are hiring at $13/hr and sign on bonuses. Retailers the same. Home Depot, Lowes, grocery stores. You can't go anywhere without seeing help wanted signs. It's ridiculous. But if you were 20 something, living at the beach and were getting $600-$900 a week, what would you do? These are people who are at very low risk of illness that should have never been given incentives not to work. Especially this far into it.
I don't take such questions very seriously from people who said nary a word about this regarding President Trump.
Governor Cuomo appears to be denying the allegations right now. There is enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an impeachment inquiry or/and a recall election, dependent on NY law.