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I oppose the use of deadly force unless there’s a reasonable assessment the Guardsmen’s own lives are in danger. I haven’t seen the level of risk that would warrant the use of deadly force at present.
Don't be obtuse. You know what context I meant.
Every time you say it, it sounds like you're disparaging the event. It sounds like you're saying such gatherings aren't legit unless they are "organic," like they're supposed to spring up out of nothing, spontaneously, like a big musical number when all the extras start dancing with choreography or something. It sounds like you're using it as a synonym for authentic.
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A lot of protests go to great lengths to pretend they’re more of the grassroots, spontaneous variety when in fact they’re heavily centralized and organized so it’s a little early to claim victory on this point if that’s what you’re doing. It was only months after the fact when we discovered how many of the BLM protesters were paid agitators.
You think I'm suggesting our military just hop out of backs of trucks and start shooting people like Dirty Harry? No. I am saying if they won't obey commands, and are attacking the cops/military, then win. Whatever it takes to win. You cannot have chaos and not obeying the law. Again, we can't have cities being destroyed.
How the word should be used according to Dattier the Great Vocabulator and how the word is actually used are two different things.
Words are often used in a variety of ways. I explained how it seemed you were using it.
And here you go! Suddenly "planned" means "paid agitators," which means it's inauthentic.
No idea what this stupid comment is supposed to mean. You think we are all lockstep with everything that happens? It's also easy for any of us to second guess from the distant like we all are.
I'm sure any of us, you included, would feel different if this was happening where we live. Like I said, you'd be clinging to their leg begging for the law enforcement to save you.
Finally, what? I don't get involved in your conversations with other folks here.
I’m surprised you’re still arguing with Datt. I put him on ignore and it’s been great. There was a lady driving through Durham on the interstate in the early 90’s that was killed when a teenager dropped a rock from the overpass and it hit her windshield.
Off the Glover Rd bridge over the Durham Freeway. I remember that. That kid was later struck by lightning and killed while awaiting trial.
No idea what it means, but it must be stupid.
Nice fanfiction about what I'd do in the same situation.
Two conservatives here are on record disagreeing with you about the deployment of Marines, but you'd rather be nasty toward me.
I think it’s great we all don’t agree on everything. Why you use it as an opportunity to weaponize dissent amongst us isn’t surprising, but it is telling.No idea what it means, but it must be stupid.
Nice fanfiction about what I'd do in the same situation.
Two conservatives here are on record disagreeing with you about the deployment of Marines, but you'd rather be nasty toward me.
If these protesters think the Trump admin is going to quit enforcing federal law because they are using this as a pretense to sow division and chaos and of course loot a bunch of stores natch, then a strong show of force is needed to deter future riots. If they continue to assault federal officers and obstruct federal law, then we’re moving squarely into insurrection territory and Trump would have every right to invoke the Insurrection Act.
I have to admit that the visual in my head of you wrapped around a law enforcement or military guy's leg while pleading for help makes me smile.
It’s more complicated than that. Take LA e.g. Say a local immigration advocacy group organizes the initial protest and the day group is made up mostly of these folks. The night group is made up more of the antifa types who may or may not be local, criminal opportunists ( looters, fire bugs, etc.), and hired hands who may be funded from a number of different sources, some hired to create mayhem, some paid mostly to beef up crowd size to make the protests look more diverse. In this LA case, they would want more Black and white looking folks to make the anger seem more widespread and not just limited to the Latino pop
Are you suggesting that the people protesting aren't all citizens of LA, and perhaps some of this is orchestrated? And there's a 3rd shift misfit crew??
Of all the nerve KD. You intentionally trying to not act like a genuine conservative?
Ha ha. Only that it’s a possibility. There may be enough lunatics in LA where the importation of more isn’t necessary only that it’s these groups’ MOs to do so if needed. I’m sure there’s a hierarchy in these groups who gets called first, second, and so on.
Re: Implying you’re so far to the right you’re not a true conservative. The never Trumpers use this line of attack often. This is how Dems behave with nonconformists in their own party, to try to “other” them in order to emotionally manipulate them. They don’t tolerate dissent so I’m guessing he felt it was a no lose pressure tactic for him.
Pressure the other conservatives to agree with him, which we did anyway, and he thinks he’s won the argument. Win.
If Ghost and I refuse to disagree with you, or aren’t unequivocal enough in our dissent , then he’ll paint us all as heartless bigots. Another win. As you said a while back, he’s a cunning rascal when he’s on his game.
I don't believe the myth of paid protesters.
Yes, I am sure opportunists show up.
Another myth.
Tell that to @Mac9192 , who uses my disagreement to attack my character, but who doesn't do that with you for the same disagreement.
How does wanting a branch of the armed services to go into an American city against the wishes of the governor and mayor, with the potential killing of protesters being an acceptable outcome, fit into small government conservatism?
Yes, Democrats and the Left do that. Like calling people RINOs.
This isn’t a debate about the size of government but about when the federal government should step in on an immigration issue, namely ensuring ICE is able to do their jobs. The courts have ruled that immigration is a federal issue, not a local one. If ICE is unable to perform its duties then it’s the Feds’ role to step in, especially when you have a local and state govt who are on record stating that they will not cooperate with federal law enforcement. Because you agree with their stance, you frame it as civil disobedience rather than obstruction of federal law.
First, you stop all these hood rats from doing anymore of their criminal behavior by pelting them with rubber bullets, tear gas...
If that doesn't work? Bring out the real bullets. You have to have law and order. It's that simple.
The governor and mayor are playing party politics. I'm not surprised you don't see it.
Hood rats… animals… bring out the real bullets. It’s that simple.
B-b-but the mayor and police chief are playing party politics. And Hillary’s emails!
Y’know, you can just reply to the same post all at once. People might think you like me.
"President Donald Trump called protesters in Los Angeles 'animals' and 'a foreign enemy' in a speech at Fort Bragg on Tuesday as he defended deploying the military on demonstrators opposed to his immigration enforcement raids and as he vowed to 'liberate' the West Coast city."
Tell me all about how you think for yourself, @Mac9192 .
See, if they're "animals," you can run them over in the street and no one says anything other than a brief "aw, too bad." I bet you don't even do that much.
If they're a "foreign enemy," it justifies the use of deadly force. Never mind that nearly every person there is a US resident and there are guaranteed to be civilians among them. But hey, a certain amount of collateral damage is regrettably expected when a "foreign enemy" is practically using them as human shields, right, @KDSTONE ?
If you "liberate" them, it means you're a hero, not a murderous authoritarian.
I guess you can say great minds think alike @Dattier. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH PEOPLE PROTESTING. The PROBLEM is when you break the law, disrespect the law, or act like animals. Why is this so hard for you to get? Or is it that you're just trying to appear like the one with empathy, and I don't have any. That's ********, and any fair minded person knows this.
If any poster on this thread found themselves, or someone they cared about, in the middle of the chaos? They'd hope the law did whatever was necessary to get them out. This is basically a fairy tale hypothetical situation though, because most of us (not sure about you) wish these things didn't happen. But ALL of us would do everything we could to make sure we were miles away from it.
Back when Obama and Clinton were Pres and deporting millions , and Blacks were the largest minority in the country, you didn’t hear much about deportations and due process. Now that Latinos are the largest minority and soon by far due to continued immigration and high birth rates it’s time to take to the streets when ICE is doing what they’re paid to do and what Trump was elected to do.
Wonder if there’s a connection.
I'm quite certain you have LOTS of issues with protesting, but for the sake of the current situation, we can pretend it's just the violence and lawlessness, which I have condemned, also. That covers everything up to the bold "/x/" I added, so you can stop repeating it.
You have said you condone the use of deadly force in American streets by our Armed Forces to deal with rioters. You have mimicked our President's language dehumanizing people. You agree with the disgusting distortion that this is a foreign invasion. I have acknowledged previously that you may very well have empathy elsewhere. In this instance? You don't have any. Any fair-minded person knows this.
You don't know a freakin' thing about what "any poster in this thread" would do. Stop submitting things like this as if they are fact.
"They'd hope the law did whatever was necessary to get them out. This is basically a fairy tale hypothetical situation though, because most of us (not sure about you) wish these things didn't happen." I'll let you proofread that for yourself.