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[Dattier]

Nearly every person there is a US resident.
How would you know that?

Feel free to produce evidence that George Soros bused in a bunch of people from across the border. Or evidence that our President's control of the border is so weak that all these people commuted.
*And go ahead and ignore the rest of that sentence: "...nearly every person there is a US resident and there are guaranteed to be civilians among them." That part is the important part for people who value country affiliation over human life.

^You missed an edit, @KDSTONE , starting with the asterisk.

 

[Dattier]

Ol @Dattier has his liberal card right behind his Starbucks card. The motto for libs? "When you can't beat them on the issues, try beating the hell out of their character."

Like calling you animals? Illegal? Demonstrating no empathy in the form of condoning the use of the military to kill people domestically?

 

[Dattier]

Back when Obama and Clinton were Pres and deporting millions , and Blacks were the largest minority in the country, you didn’t hear much about deportations and due process. Now that Latinos are the largest minority and soon by far due to continued immigration and high birth rates it’s time to take to the streets when ICE is doing what they’re paid to do and what Trump was elected to do.
Wonder if there’s a connection.

You'll have to spell it out, because I don't see any connection at all.

 

[KDSTONE]

Feel free to produce evidence that George Soros bused in a bunch of people from across the border. Or evidence that our President's control of the border is so weak that all these people commuted.

Resident? I was in a hurry and read that as citizen. My bad.
See that’s where you’re in the 20 on an 80/ 20 issue.
No one gives two sh- whether they’re residents or not. This is only because they crossed the border illegally in the first place. Of course they’re residing here.
If someone breaks into your home and takes over a bedroom, would you consider them a resident or a trespasser?

 

[KDSTONE]

You'll have to spell it out, because I don't see any connection at all.

Pandering to whatever group has the most political power.

 

[Dattier]

Pandering to whatever group has the most political power.

"Pandering," because we couldn't possibly have sincere beliefs. That would be that character assassination @Mac9192 was trying to pin on liberals.

 

[Dattier]

Resident? I was in a hurry and read that as citizen. My bad.
See that’s where you’re in the 20 on an 80/ 20 issue.
No one gives two sh- whether they’re residents or not. This is only because they crossed the border illegally in the first place. Of course they’re residing here.
If someone breaks into your home and takes over a bedroom, would you consider them a resident or a trespasser?

If someone takes over a bedroom in my home, pays rent, helps mow the grass, makes tacos every Tuesday, walks the dog, and otherwise contributes to the household economy and daily life, yes, I would consider them a resident, as well as the person to reference at the end of the question, "Why can't you be more like ______?" that I yell at my kids all the time.

In the exact same sentence you misread and truncated, I went on to mention citizens. I was making a distinction between residents and citizens. "Residents" is objectively more accurate than "invaders," whatever your made-up "80/20" stat says to the contrary.

 

[Mac9192]

Like calling you animals? Illegal? Demonstrating no empathy in the form of condoning the use of the military to kill people domestically?

Here you go twisting things. The protestors that destroy property with no care of who owns the property, throw rocks at vehicles, and cause physical harm? They are animals, and you stop them by ANY means necessary. NOT the ones who walk the streets peacefully. I don't like either option, but there's a huge difference between the two.

Every fair minded person knows this. I threw this in here just for you.

 

[Dattier]

Here you go twisting things. The protestors that destroy property with no care of who owns the property, throw rocks at vehicles, and cause physical harm? They are animals, and you stop them by ANY means necessary.

Steal Pampers = get killed
Humans who break the law = animals

...you stop them by ANY means necessary. NOT the ones who walk the streets peacefully. I don't like either option, but there's a huge difference between the two.

Rioters and protesters. You don't like either.

Every fair minded person knows this. I threw this in here just for you.

I threw it in just for you!
This is like when you get your bff a present for your 4-month friendaversary and they get you the same thing!

 

[GhostOf301]

"Pandering," because we couldn't possibly have sincere beliefs. That would be that character assassination @Mac9192 was trying to pin on liberals.

Yeah. Yesterday you told me that my opinion is whatever Trump tells me my opinion is. Because I couldn't possibly have sincere beliefs.

 

[Mac9192]

Steal Pampers = get killed
Humans who break the law = animals


Rioters and protesters. You don't like either.

Humans who break the law aren't animals, but ones who intentionally destroy property and harm people? Abso fn lutely. I bet when you played the game Twister with your family, you won every time.

I may not like protesters, but there's a HUGE, I mean HUGE, difference between a rioter and a protester. Feel free to look up what each word means.

You are one crafty, almost cunning, wascal.

 

[KDSTONE]

Feel free to produce evidence that George Soros bused in a bunch of people from across the border. Or evidence that our President's control of the border is so weak that all these people commuted.
*And go ahead and ignore the rest of that sentence: "...nearly every person there is a US resident and there are guaranteed to be civilians among them." That part is the important part for people who value country affiliation over human life.

^You missed an edit, @KDSTONE , starting with the asterisk.

guaranteed to be civilians among them.
What does that make the majority of them? Combatants? Terrorists? In your wording, you suggest that the majority aren’t actually civilians. Not sure how that strengthens the overall scope of what you’ve been posting the last few days and is certainly at odds with the Harris/ Watters “ nothing to see here folks”, peaceful protest narrative
Iirc you have condemned the violence and looting, but suggest that it’s an outlier. Here you are implying that there are some civilians accidentally caught up in it all? Inconsistent to put it mildly.

 

[KDSTONE]

If someone takes over a bedroom in my home, pays rent, helps mow the grass, makes tacos every Tuesday, walks the dog, and otherwise contributes to the household economy and daily life, yes, I would consider them a resident, as well as the person to reference at the end of the question, "Why can't you be more like ______?" that I yell at my kids all the time.

In the exact same sentence you misread and truncated, I went on to mention citizens. I was making a distinction between residents and citizens. "Residents" is objectively more accurate than "invaders," whatever your made-up "80/20" stat says to the contrary.

So you’re going to allow someone to live in your home that you know absolutely nothing about? Because he helps you with the yard? In the same home as your wife and children? Oh okay.
Good luck with that

If someone breaks into my home they’re most likely leaving in a body bag but that’s just me.
And no I’m not suggesting that migrants should be shot at the border before you even accuse me of that. Point is, if you’re going to use an analogy don’t be quite so cavalier next time. Consider this your teachable moment for the day.

 

[Dattier]

Yeah. Yesterday you told me that my opinion is whatever Trump tells me my opinion is. Because I couldn't possibly have sincere beliefs.

So we're all guilty. Cool.

 

[Dattier]

So you’re going to allow someone to live in your home that you know absolutely nothing about? Because he helps you with the yard? In the same home as your wife and children? Oh okay.
Good luck with that

If someone breaks into my home they’re most likely leaving in a body bag but that’s just me.
And no I’m not suggesting that migrants should be shot at the border before you even accuse me of that. Point is, if you’re going to use an analogy don’t be quite so cavalier next time. Consider this your teachable moment for the day.

Oh, I thought you started this analogy game.

 

[Mac9192]

Oh, I thought you started this analogy game.

It helps though when the analogy is fairly accurate. Not like the garbage you try pulling.

 

[Dattier]

guaranteed to be civilians among them.
What does that make the majority of them? Combatants? Terrorists? In your wording, you suggest that the majority aren’t actually civilians. Not sure how that strengthens the overall scope of what you’ve been posting the last few days and is certainly at odds with the Harris/ Watters “ nothing to see here folks”, peaceful protest narrative
Iirc you have condemned the violence and looting, but suggest that it’s an outlier. Here you are implying that there are some civilians accidentally caught up in it all? Inconsistent to put it mildly.

I meant citizens, not civilians. I was under-exaggerating on purpose. Silly me, I thought you'd challenge me on how many were actually citizens, not whether they were residents and not what I was implying the others were.

iirc, the context was that the Marines were opening fire. I would presume this would not be somewhere where the most violent thing happening was what some toddler was doing in their diaper. So it's already a place where some violence was occurring. And I think the likelihood that law-abiding citizens could become collateral damage is high.

 

[Dattier]

It helps though when the analogy is fairly accurate. Not like the garbage you try pulling.

You gotta try ayahuasca.

 

[Dattier]

Humans who break the law aren't animals, but ones who intentionally destroy property and harm people? Abso fn lutely. I bet when you played the game Twister with your family, you won every time.

I may not like protesters, but there's a HUGE, I mean HUGE, difference between a rioter and a protester. Feel free to look up what each word means.

You are one crafty, almost cunning, wascal.

Humans who break really, really serious laws = animals
You don't like peaceful protesters.
These are your words. No twisting required. No more cleverness than a parrot required.

 

[Mac9192]

Humans who break really, really serious laws = animals
You don't like peaceful protesters.
These are your words. No twisting required. No more cleverness than a parrot required.

Yes on all 3. Atta boy. On the 2nd one, even though I don't like it, they have the right to protest, as long as it is PEACEFUL.

That's the word of the day for you to look up, PEACEFUL.

 

[Mac9192]

It seems like many school teachers aren't engaged with reality. I'm not saying all are, but it's painfully obvious that @Dattier falls into this category. It's like he's been around kids way too long, and has lost all ability to be rational, making him unable to be around other adults.


Then again, he could be one of the many that walk the streets with the rest of us that's been nuttier than a squirrel turd from the beginning.

 

[KDSTONE]

Yes on all 3. Atta boy. On the 2nd one, even though I don't like it, they have the right to protest, as long as it is PEACEFUL.

That's the word of the day for you to look up, PEACEFUL.

Agree. We’re all for the right to protest , but here’s the thing. The peaceful ones and the violent ones They normally agree on most of the same sh- ; they just disagree on whether or not violence should be used to achieve their objectives. Or some cheer the violence on or silently comply because they don’t have the cojones to pull it off themselves.
Same objectives: In this case, ( short term) to stop ICE from executing lawful deportations
( Long term) open borders, once you’re here a quick path to citizenship, etc. A mishmash of socialist pipe dream sort of stuff.
So yeh I’m against all that, but I support their right to be wrong as long as they do it without breaking the law and disrupting an entire city’s way of life.

 

[KDSTONE]

This captures the smugness and entitledness of the white liberal well.

https://nypost.com/2025/06/11/us-ne...-a-woman-begging-them-to-let-her-get-to-work/

 

[dukesince91]

So you’re going to allow someone to live in your home that you know absolutely nothing about? Because he helps you with the yard? In the same home as your wife and children? Oh okay.
Good luck with that

If someone breaks into my home they’re most likely leaving in a body bag but that’s just me.
And no I’m not suggesting that migrants should be shot at the border before you even accuse me of that. Point is, if you’re going to use an analogy don’t be quite so cavalier next time. Consider this your teachable moment for the day.

Liberals are all talk when it comes to empathy and compassion. I’m sure they all have at least one illegal immigrant living with them.

 

[Mac9192]

Liberals are all talk when it comes to empathy and compassion. I’m sure they all have at least one illegal immigrant living with them.

Liberals showed themselves to be the liars we all knew they were a few years ago. They love the illegals, just so as long as they don't live near them.

 

[Dattier]

Yes on all 3. Atta boy. On the 2nd one, even though I don't like it, they have the right to protest, as long as it is PEACEFUL.

That's the word of the day for you to look up, PEACEFUL.

Yes, that's why I included the word peaceful in the exact post you quoted: "You don't like peaceful protesters." Earlier I said "Rioters and protesters. You don't like either." I'm not sure what distinction you thought I was making between the two, but it seems pretty obvious to me that in this context, rioters = protesters + violence, and Protesters = rioters - violence. So both times I was referring to peaceful protesters, once directly, once by undeniable inference. I'm not sure what you're objecting to here. I'm accurately representing your views, as you acknowledge in that first sentence: "Yes on all 3."

It seems like many school teachers aren't engaged with reality. I'm not saying all are, but it's painfully obvious that @Dattier falls into this category. It's like he's been around kids way too long, and has lost all ability to be rational, making him unable to be around other adults.


Then again, he could be one of the many that walk the streets with the rest of us that's been nuttier than a squirrel turd from the beginning.

This seems like a very random time for you to bring up this claim yet again. You aren't taking two conservatives here to task for disagreeing with you about the deployment of Marines, and I'm accurately representing your words. What's the problem?

 

[Dattier]

Agree. We’re all for the right to protest , but here’s the thing. The peaceful ones and the violent ones They normally agree on most of the same sh- ; they just disagree on whether or not violence should be used to achieve their objectives. Or some cheer the violence on or silently comply because they don’t have the cojones to pull it off themselves.
Same objectives: In this case, ( short term) to stop ICE from executing lawful deportations
( Long term) open borders, once you’re here a quick path to citizenship, etc. A mishmash of socialist pipe dream sort of stuff.
So yeh I’m against all that, but I support their right to be wrong as long as they do it without breaking the law and disrupting an entire city’s way of life.

"Lawful deportations" is debatable. "Ethical" and "humane" even more so.

You are not accurately summarizing the objectives of the Left. We're not a monolith.

I've joined you in condemning the violence. I think way more on the Left have than you're willing to listen to. I think you'd rather believe there aren't many. And yet even then, rather than crediting them for being nonviolent, you're accusing them of being cowards. This is how you're reacting to peaceful protesters.

 

[Dattier]

Liberals are all talk when it comes to empathy and compassion. I’m sure they all have at least one illegal immigrant living with them.

Either you're hitting the "unignore" button a lot or you're missing an entire side of the dialogue and making wild leaps based on the half you're seeing.
Having an undocumented immigrant living with us is not the barometer for empathy and compassion. I don't know where you got that.
The thing about having an undocumented immigrant taking up residence in your home was an analogy @KDSTONE introduced. It was silly because there are lots of ways people live their own lives that have nothing to do with what policies we think should be in place. I responded with an appropriately low level of seriousness.

 

[Mac9192]

I respond with a low level of seriousness and intelligence.

This is now spot on.

 

[Dattier]

This is now a poop spot on my underwear.

Seriously? Is that where you want to go with this?

 

[Mac9192]

Well, well, well. Did I get under your skin @Dattier? Good, now you know how the rest of us feel reading your posts. They're not reality driven. You twist things, take words said and run with them, in hopes of getting things off topic. That seems to be your comfort zone.

You say you condemn the violence in these protests. Ok, but what's your solution when it happens?

 

[Dattier]

Well, well, well. Did I get under your skin @Dattier? Good, now you know how the rest of us feel reading your posts. They're not reality driven. You twist things, take words said and run with them, in hopes of getting things off topic. That seems to be your comfort zone.

You say you condemn the violence in these protests. Ok, but what's your solution when it happens?

You're not under my skin. Your antagonism makes no sense based on anything I've posted about this.
If you're trying to do an impression of me, I don't recognize it.

The governor, mayor, and police chief have all said or implied that they want local LEO to handle it, so that's a start. Next, I favor deescalation tactics. A heightened, militarized presence isn't a deterrent; it just riles people up. If you have to have riot gear and armored cars, keep them out of sight until absolutely necessary. Property damage warrants arrest. It does not warrant retaliatory violence.

I participated in a march recently where the police kept their distance, blocked intersections to protect marchers, provided medical assistance, and that was basically it. Granted, there was no violence, but there were a LOT of people on my side who were very concerned -- to the point of paranoia or cosplaying -- that the police would initiate violence. Had LEO been flexing, it might have incited something.

 

[KDSTONE]

Liberals are all talk when it comes to empathy and compassion. I’m sure they all have at least one illegal immigrant living with them.

Like the Martha’s Vineyard situation. Not in my neighborhood!

 

[KDSTONE]

Liberals showed themselves to be the liars we all knew they were a few years ago. They love the illegals, just so as long as they don't live near them.

So they can jack up the census numbers to increase House representation.

 

[Mac9192]

The governor, mayor, and police chief have all said or implied that they want local LEO to handle it, so that's a start. Next, I favor deescalation tactics. A heightened, militarized presence isn't a deterrent; it just riles people up. If you have to have riot gear and armored cars, keep them out of sight until absolutely necessary. Property damage warrants arrest. It does not warrant retaliatory violence.

I participated in a march recently where the police kept their distance, blocked intersections to protect marchers, provided medical assistance, and that was basically it. Granted, there was no violence, but there were a LOT of people on my side who were very concerned -- to the point of paranoia or cosplaying -- that the police would initiate violence. Had LEO been flexing, it might have incited something.

When violence happens, and there were videos of loons throwing rocks at LE vehicles, and breaking windows, you're right, arrest them. The military was brought in to squash the trouble, not stop the protesting.

You did ok until the part about yourself participating in a march, "Had LEO been flexing, it might have incited something." Such a pitiful comment.

I subscribe to the thinking that they DIDN'T HAVE TO FLEX BECAUSE THE MARCH WAS PEACEFUL.

 

[KDSTONE]

Liberals showed themselves to be the liars we all knew they were a few years ago. They love the illegals, just so as long as they don't live near them.

Martha’s Vineyard. Oh bbbbut who is going to cut our yard, wash our dishes, clean our homes? I guess they found somebody else.

 

[KDSTONE]

"Lawful deportations" is debatable. "Ethical" and "humane" even more so.

You are not accurately summarizing the objectives of the Left. We're not a monolith.

I've joined you in condemning the violence. I think way more on the Left have than you're willing to listen to. I think you'd rather believe there aren't many. And yet even then, rather than crediting them for being nonviolent, you're accusing them of being cowards. This is how you're reacting to peaceful protesters.

So I’m supposed to credit someone for not breaking the law? The first day they didn’t have a permit and were blocking freeways, so they were all breaking the law. You may think this is cute, but people with jobs to get to, churches, synagogues, and mosques to get to, don’t find it all that amusing.

 

[KDSTONE]

You're not under my skin. Your antagonism makes no sense based on anything I've posted about this.
If you're trying to do an impression of me, I don't recognize it.

The governor, mayor, and police chief have all said or implied that they want local LEO to handle it, so that's a start. Next, I favor deescalation tactics. A heightened, militarized presence isn't a deterrent; it just riles people up. If you have to have riot gear and armored cars, keep them out of sight until absolutely necessary. Property damage warrants arrest. It does not warrant retaliatory violence.

I participated in a march recently where the police kept their distance, blocked intersections to protect marchers, provided medical assistance, and that was basically it. Granted, there was no violence, but there were a LOT of people on my side who were very concerned -- to the point of paranoia or cosplaying -- that the police would initiate violence. Had LEO been flexing, it might have incited something.

Okay. I’ll bite. What kind of march?

 

[Dattier]

Like the Martha’s Vineyard situation. Not in my neighborhood!

NIMBY is a great example of liberal hypocrisy, particularly wealthy liberals.

 

[KDSTONE]

NIMBY is a great example of liberal hypocrisy, particularly wealthy liberals.

Kind of like the Pro Pali movement.