The Next Coach recaps Iowa-Minnesota
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Gabe's Summer should be spent training at Askren wrestling. I think he would come ready to win a title next year.
The median 5 year survival rate for lung transplant is 50-60 %. Recruiting travel etc would certainly take its toll. Folks don’t understand that people who have had lung transplants need to coast the rest of their lives
This is so true and very sad. I hope Ben is the exception to the norm but yes you speak the truth. Ben isn't coaching anywhere except in a very limited capacity within his own club. Askren wrestling academy will continue to thrive in any event. Max,KOT,Parker,John Messinbrink,Sinclair,Mitchel Messinbrink, and others will ensure the style and dream keeps going. Ben changed the sport of wrestling forever. That alone is one heck of a legacy.
My kiddo wrestled a youth dual against one of the askren dual teams a few years ago. I wish Incouks have said they beat them and my kiddo won his match. But not so. Maximus Magayna was in my kiddos team. It was a hodgepodge of kids thrown together at a tourney
Remember it was Ben himself who started this after the ISU loss with an offer. We all are conditioned to want coaches that come in and stay at programs for 20+ years, but maybe Ben things differently. Why are we making that decision for him? College sports including wrestling have changed - whether we like it or not - kids come in for a year or two sometimes, maybe its ok to consider a coach who's got a shorter career aspiration than 20 years.
I think it’s less about how long he would potentially coach than the demands of the job
First, I’m sure he was being sarcastic since he hates Iowa. Second, he has young kids. He can spend more time with them making his living off his own club. If he wanted a head D1 job, Missouri has an old coach, taking them over would be more likely, with Wisconsin being next most likely. If we make a change, we should use the old, if you can beat them, join them philosophy and hire a young up and comer from the Sanderson coaching tree.
First, I’m sure he was being sarcastic since he hates Iowa. Second, he has young kids. He can spend more time with them making his living off his own club. If he wanted a head D1 job, Missouri has an old coach, taking them over would be more likely, with Wisconsin being next most likely. If we make a change, we should use the old, if you can beat them join them philosophy, and hire a young up and comer from the Sanderson coaching tree
Only Nolf.
Why Nolf instead of a bigger brand name like a Dake or Burroughs. I love Nolfs personality but he has no where near the star power of many other possibilities.
I'd like to see Dake with Nolf as assistant.
I've banged the drum about taking a shot at Cael, but outside of that, the best option is Burroughs, who i think would listen.
I’m hopeful that being an athlete helps him- he was in better shape physically than 99% of the other people who undergo the procedure.
I do understand there are other considerations, like rejection and medication interactions, but hopefully he has better odds.
can we please stop with Askren as coach? I dont think people understand the severity and restrictions of organ transplant patients.
again, he started it, so until he says he says he can't do it, who are we say no to kicking the tires on it?
But most lung transplants don’t involve world class athletes
world class athletes have different immune systems from every other human? OK. The life expectancy of lung transplant patients is 10 years. Thats taking immunosuppressant meds and avoiding contact with people.
This is correct, I would have thought there would be a bigger difference. Results are better but not significantly.
The Athlete's Advantage
World-class athletes often see better outcomes not because the new lungs are "better," but because their extrapulmonary health is superior:
Cardiovascular Strength: A stronger heart handles the stress of surgery and the side effects of immunosuppressants (like hypertension) more effectively.
Muscle Memory: Athletes recover mobility faster, reducing the risk of post-op pneumonia and blood clots.
Adherence: The discipline required for elite sports translates well to the rigorous medication and monitoring schedule required for transplant survival.
2. The "Biological Leveler"
Despite their fitness, athletes are not immune to the primary factors that limit lung transplant longevity.
The Immune System: A world-class athlete’s immune system is just as likely to recognize a donor lung as "foreign" as anyone else's. This leads to CLAD, which is responsible for most deaths after the 5-year mark.
Drug Toxicity: The lifelong "anti-rejection" drugs are hard on the kidneys. Even an athlete’s kidneys can eventually fail or develop chronic issues due to long-term exposure to tacrolimus or cyclosporine.
Infection: Because athletes are immunosuppressed, a simple respiratory infection can become life-threatening, regardless of how many marathons they've run.
3. Performance vs. Longevity
It is important to distinguish between living longer and performing better. * VO2 Max Ceiling: Studies on "Transplant Athletes" show that while they can return to high-level competition (like the World Transplant Games), their peak oxygen uptake (VO2 Max) rarely returns to "world-class" levels. It usually peaks at about 50-70% of a healthy person of the same age.
The 20-Year Club: Long-term survivors (20+ years) are rare. Those who make it this far are typically younger at the time of transplant, had a bilateral (double) transplant, and have avoided significant early rejection episodes.
Summary of Key Factors
Note: These are general trends. Individual survival is heavily dictated by the specific disease that led to the transplant (e.g., Cystic Fibrosis patients often have better survival rates than COPD patients).
Bilateral (Double) Lung: Generally adds 2–3 years to median survival compared to single lung transplants.
Age: Recipients aged 25–45 generally have the highest 10-year survival rates.
Go to any wrestling tournament in america and watch who kids are emulating. Its not dake or dt or burroughs they all emulate nolf. That's who they want to be period
Must admit, I haven't been to a youth or high school wrestling meet or tourney for 40 years. I do know they aren't emulating Star or Telford!
I have a friend who had a double lung transplant in his early 40s. Was not in good shape before, overweight, not a healthy eater, definitely not an athlete. That was 20 years ago and he is still doing well.
He's not backing down from talking about it, so why should we stop considering it as an option?
We aren’t freaking doctors, dude. And neither are you. We aren’t reading his medical reports. Neither are you. Askren and his docs make this call. Not morons on message boards—that includes me and you.
This was actually great advice for Gabe — and it was delivered the right way.
It diplomatically says: you are, and always have been, an elite wrestler — but the difference between being elite and being a perennial contender is improving one specific thing.
And the key point is this: Gabe already has everything needed to make that improvement — strength, speed, mat awareness, competitiveness, and desire. The question isn’t can he do it. It’s: what’s he waiting for?
Yes, it’s easy to point to coaching, and some of that criticism may be fair. But responsibility also sits with Arnold. He’s at the end of his wrestling career — even when you factor in post-collegiate goals. This is the stage where wrestlers stop waiting to be coached and start making independent adjustments.
That’s what great wrestlers do.
In reality, collegiate coaches aren’t there to reinvent athletes - especially when you now see true freshman on the senior world team, successful before collegiate coaches have ever touched them. Their primary value is fine-tuning. They don’t teach takedowns from scratch. They don’t suddenly install a duck-under or ankle pick if it’s never been part of an athlete’s arsenal. If that were the case, everyone on the team would wrestle with Keddy’s stand-up, Juergen’s ankle pick, and Lincoln’s boot scoot.
The separation happens when the athlete identifies the missing piece — and owns the work to fix it.
It diplomatically says: you are, and always have been, an elite wrestler — but the difference between being elite and being a perennial contender is improving one specific thing.
And the key point is this: Gabe already has everything needed to make that improvement — strength, speed, mat awareness, competitiveness, and desire. The question isn’t can he do it. It’s: what’s he waiting for?
Yes, it’s easy to point to coaching, and some of that criticism may be fair. But responsibility also sits with Arnold. He’s at the end of his wrestling career — even when you factor in post-collegiate goals. This is the stage where wrestlers stop waiting to be coached and start making independent adjustments.
That’s what great wrestlers do.
In reality, collegiate coaches aren’t there to reinvent athletes - especially when you now see true freshman on the senior world team, successful before collegiate coaches have ever touched them. Their primary value is fine-tuning. They don’t teach takedowns from scratch. They don’t suddenly install a duck-under or ankle pick if it’s never been part of an athlete’s arsenal. If that were the case, everyone on the team would wrestle with Keddy’s stand-up, Juergen’s ankle pick, and Lincoln’s boot scoot.
The separation happens when the athlete identifies the missing piece — and owns the work to fix it.
I truly think Jason Nolf is a wrestling assassin and a savant. I’m not sure many thing the sport the way he does. Nolf would be my hell yes guy. I’d be pumped about bringing him on and I think he’d draw a bunch of talent with him. If we were to move on, that’s the guy that should be heavily considered
Bring him on, I'll take 10 years of Ben! It won't be worse.
I love Jason, high character individual. Knows the secret sauce too! Askren, Dake or Nolf. For some reason I'm not sure about Burroughs. No, it's not because he's black. I just don't get the vibe from him. I could be massively wrong.
I'll take any of the above, I'd be very excited if Burroughs was our new head coach next year.
We need a change.
You think the new head coach would retain Star and Telford?
This information is correct. Its sheer madness to call for Askren as HC.
Surviving for the sake of his family is a major job in and of itself.
No reason his staff can't run his training program with him as key technical advisor, but he can't run any unnecessary risks.
Gabes a badass at the height he's at. 74, 84 and 97. He's goes toe to toe with the top ranked guys at all weights! Gabe at 74 will be a threat next year to win it all.
Nolf is the only one I’ve heard express interest in being a head coach, and has a plan in mind already, much of which he learned being part of the Carl machine, and also has people in mind he wants on his coaching staff. Has anyone ever heard Dake or JB talk like this about their plans on coaching. Even our own Spencer Lee sounded a little ticked in an interview where he said he doesn’t know why people just assume he wants to be a coach.