The night Grayson Allen went off on Michigan State
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Love the JGold stomp after that last three! The bench is pumped.
I wish the video showed the emotionless stare he had while running down the court after this final three. Straight killer.
That last three was a dagger, vintage Grayson, at his very best!
Thanks for that. What I want to know is, what happened to him? Maybe it’s just me, but he never seemed to have that swag that I thought he should have had the rest of the season.
Goodness Grayson! He will always be one of my favorites!
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Such a shame his last 2 years (mostly) never reached his potential. Either of those 2 teams would have been nearly unbeatable eith Allen playing like a 1st or 2nd team AA.
I think Grayson was just trying to spread the wealth with his teammates during both his Junior and Senior seasons.
2016-2017 Season: Kennard made a huge jump and played at an Elite Level. The team also had Tatum who started turning it on from the end of January and onward. Imo Duke could not figure out how to consistently keep Kennard, Tatum, Allen, and Jackson all happy with their offensive production. I thought they had it figured out after winning The ACC Tournament, but then South Carolina happened and Luke was ice cold and MIA in that game.
2017-2018 Season: Similar situation with Bagley, Carter Jr, Trent Jr, and Duval all starting alongside Allen. That’s a lot of fire power in the starting lineup and a lot of mouths that wanted to get fed.
That last 3 Grayson was down on one knee and watched that thing go through the net. Wow !
BCG I think you definitely hit on something here. I think in '15 Grayson more or less snuck up on a lot of folks. In '16 it was really the Allen-Ingram show, and that was not a bad team. It had really bad luck w/Amile's injury. Maybe trying to make everybody happy LAST TWO YEARS in a sense took away from his stroke, and thus we saw a different Grayson??? However Q's post, shows Grayson was fine, outstanding in fact from the opening bell his Jr year.Whaddayasay @Mac9192 ? OFC
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Hart, I agree with the majority of your post.
2014-2015: No doubt Grayson snuck up on people, no one outside of the Duke team knew what he was capable of.
2015-2016: As you alluded for it was the Allen-Ingram show, that team was lacking a consistent 3rd scorer. Kennard started coming along in March, but couldn’t keep it going and Duke had to play a very athletic and good Oregon team in the west coast.
2016-2017: very injured plague season to start out the season. Grayson had an outburst at Elon in December and was suspended for a game. The team suffered some head scratching losses in January, then seemed to start to turn the corner in February before the South Carolina loss.
2017-2018: Duke and Grayson came out with a bang against #2 Michigan State in Chicago. They close out on the shooter from Kansas or Grayson’s shot falls in at the buzzer, the team goes to the Final 4 to take on a very talented Villanova team.
I love the passion Grayson Allen played with at Duke. The kid loves Duke and we were fortunate to cheer for the kid!! Hope him, Tyus, and Justise do some special things together in Memphis along with Ja Morant, Jaren Jackson Jr, and Dillon Brooks. If New Orleans happens to trade Okafor, I hope he is traded to Memphis to join his Brothers on the Grizzlies.
I had no idea 3 of those guys from the 2015 championship team were all together at Memphis. Very cool.
yes Sir Gil, and they were all in the 2014 recruiting class which makes it better! It looks like for us Duke fans, The New Orleans Pelicans and Memphis Grizzlies are the two teams we mostly want to pull for!
In 2016, Grayson was clearly one of the two best players on the team. His last two seasons he played with a lot of other talent.
I also think team’s make adjustments. Grayson came on to the scene as a sophomore both as a great player and with his antics. They played on his emotions and tried forcing him to do things that didn’t play to his strengths.
I also think team’s make adjustments. Grayson came on to the scene as a sophomore both as a great player and with his antics. They played on his emotions and tried forcing him to do things that didn’t play to his strengths.
We all know how good he was in 16, but not quite the same the next 2 seasons. Not to start anything, but during the 4 game stretch in February of 18, when Bagley was injured, he averaged 24 points a game. The team averaged 74.5 a game, while giving up only 58.5.
Before anyone says we played no one, here’s the records of the teams before we beat them:
GT—11-13 (away)
VT—18-7 (home)
Clemson—20-5 (away)
Louisville—18-9 (home)
Before anyone says we played no one, here’s the records of the teams before we beat them:
GT—11-13 (away)
VT—18-7 (home)
Clemson—20-5 (away)
Louisville—18-9 (home)
Agree on adjustments! I think the emphasis was more on other talent for scoring his FINAL TWO YEARS. Grayson was looked upon more as a BALL DISTRIBUTOR. Perhaps this affected his shooting and he felt more pressure on his shots when he didnt get the ball to Kennard and Tatum in '17 and again in '18 when he didnt get the ball inside to Bagley. Just a theory...Certainly he was lights out that MSU game in '18. I think much of that game was played w/o Marvin. OFC
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Grayson, when he got it going, could really get it going. I honestly think that if the shot drops against Kansas it’s possible his jersey would be hanging in Cameron. He would have went over 2,000 points, played in multiple Final Fours, was an All-American and of course had his degree.
I think because he was so universally hated by the masses, it endeared him to Duke fans even more. He was definitely tested unfair by the media, but it’s worth pointing out he played a part in it, too. I know had he not played for Duke it’s unlikely I would have fan.
Every shot he took those last 2 years I thought was going in. So frustrating. That last shot vs. Kansas still hurts. Till that last shot I always felt the next shot, next game is going to be the start of a hot streak.
Oh here he go with this nonsense again. Obviously he will score more when the best player is out. He had to step up. When Bagley got back he went back to his secondary role where he belonged.
I beg to differ on "nonsense." Numbers don't lie.It could also be argued the last 30 minutes of MSU game were played w/o Bagley, contributing to Grayson's confidence to jack it up. OFC
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You say Grayson went back to his secondary role where he belonged. Wow. Such a disrespectful comment.
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Yep very "disrespectful" to a guy who saved our butts in the '15 title game! OFC
And was the last great 4 year player who could have left after 2 years. He gave everything he had for Duke.
You can disagree without saying a differing opinion is "nonsense."
How is that disrespectful? He was our second scorer. Bagley was by far the best player on the team. So yes when he got back he went back to his secondary scorer role where he belonged because Bagley was THE guy
I said nonsense because he had to bring up Bagley in a Grayson thread. Just think how many points Bagley would’ve scored with Grayson off the court. He damn near scorer 40 with him on there a few games.
What does that have to do with him having a secondary role as a scorer in 2018. Bagley was the best player and that was his team. Point blank period. Without him we don’t make it as far as we did. He was an unstoppable force when he was given the ball
Secondary role isn't necessarily an attack on Grayson or Bagley. With Bagley, Hrsyson was more of a distributor. Pass first, shoot second or even third. Without Bagley, it was more of a pass first or shoot first kind of offense for Grayson.
I dont think it was chemistry, I just think Graysons aggressiveness and overall skillset didnt lend itself to a pass first PG who could selectively gut you like Tyus. Not his or Bagley's fault. Look at 15. Quinn was great at attacking once in a while. Sometimes it was aggressive-1st posession of the title game and other times when openings dictated. Tyus mostly too. In the title game, most of Graydons aggressive attacking was when Jah and Justise were out, right?
I dont think it was chemistry, I just think Graysons aggressiveness and overall skillset didnt lend itself to a pass first PG who could selectively gut you like Tyus. Not his or Bagley's fault. Look at 15. Quinn was great at attacking once in a while. Sometimes it was aggressive-1st posession of the title game and other times when openings dictated. Tyus mostly too. In the title game, most of Graydons aggressive attacking was when Jah and Justise were out, right?
Some games Grayson didn't take that many shots. Grayson with his reputation as a shooter in the past most likely help open up some space for Bagley. Could have ran some pick n roll with Grayson and Bagley
The way you’re speaking of Grayson as taking a secondary role is not a dig at him. It was a dig when da champ said he took a secondary role, ‘where he belongs.’
It’s my opinion that Grayson sacrificed his style of play, in an attempt to please others.
I think Bullcity hit the nail on the head, that with 4 one and dones in the lineup beside Allen his senior season, that was a lot of mouths to feed. Someone had to attempt to be the leader on that team. I believe we had way too much ego on one team.
No matter what anyone says, for 5 games his senior season, he was nothing short of the stud we all expected him to be the entire year.
Grayson def took a back seat his Junior and Senior seasons to please our other studs on the 16-17 (Kennard & Tatum) and 17-18 (Bags, Carter Jr, Trent Jr, and Duval) rosters respectively, it says a lot about the kid’s character. Had Luke not disappeared during the 2017 NCAA Tournament, they very well could have played unc a 4th time that season for the National Championship. I wanted that last second shot in 2018 against Kansas to go in so bad for Allen, if they would have made the Final 4 imo the game against Villanova would have been the de facto National Championship Game.
[QUOTE="Mac9192, post: 11422426, member: 32257"It’s my opinion that Grayson sacrificed his style of play, in an attempt to please others.
I think Bullcity hit the nail on the head, that with 4 one and dones in the lineup beside Allen his senior season, that was a lot of mouths to feed. Someone had to attempt to be the leader on that team. I believe we had way too much ego on one team.
No matter what anyone says, for 5 games his senior season, he was nothing short of the stud we all expected him to be the entire year.[/QUOTE]
6 games if you count Sparty. OFC
I think Bullcity hit the nail on the head, that with 4 one and dones in the lineup beside Allen his senior season, that was a lot of mouths to feed. Someone had to attempt to be the leader on that team. I believe we had way too much ego on one team.
No matter what anyone says, for 5 games his senior season, he was nothing short of the stud we all expected him to be the entire year.[/QUOTE]
6 games if you count Sparty. OFC
Amen, and was never the same player.He was the man on a pretty solid '16 team with Ingram playing a prominent supporting role...
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King, that MSU game was magical. Nobody can take away the greatness Grayson provided on so many occasions.
That team, to go all the way, not be good, or even real good, but to go all the way, needed Grayson to be a different kind of player. He did ok in that role. Being ok in a different, tough role that doesnt suit you at that level of competition, is still pretty damn good. It just wasnt National Championship good enough.
In the end, that team had a very good year. It was one bad defensive coverage/rotation and a shot rimming out from the FF. Both plays had to go against us. 100 out of 100 teams would take those odds every year. The fact that we cant, shows how spoiled we are.
Every freaking shot that Grayson missed that year pained me. God, I wanted that shot to go in so I could jump out of my recliner and SCREAM F YOU to ESPN and the college basketball world for how they hated and treated Grayson. That sh#t ain't Grayson's or Bagley's fault.
That team, to go all the way, not be good, or even real good, but to go all the way, needed Grayson to be a different kind of player. He did ok in that role. Being ok in a different, tough role that doesnt suit you at that level of competition, is still pretty damn good. It just wasnt National Championship good enough.
In the end, that team had a very good year. It was one bad defensive coverage/rotation and a shot rimming out from the FF. Both plays had to go against us. 100 out of 100 teams would take those odds every year. The fact that we cant, shows how spoiled we are.
Every freaking shot that Grayson missed that year pained me. God, I wanted that shot to go in so I could jump out of my recliner and SCREAM F YOU to ESPN and the college basketball world for how they hated and treated Grayson. That sh#t ain't Grayson's or Bagley's fault.